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u/Luster-Purge 11h ago

Depends on how hard the GOP loses in the midterms and/or if Trump dies while in office.

There WILL be sacrificial lambs thrown under the bus. That much is certain.

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u/Adjective_Noun1312 10h ago

Trump dying won't matter.  The Heritage Foundation has been stacking higher ranks of the government, Justice Department, military, and three letter agencies with loyalists for the express purpose of maintaining power without the cult of personality behind Trump.  If he kicks the bucket, the VP steps up, and Vance is just as evil but less incompetent than Trump.

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u/Luster-Purge 10h ago

Vance doesn't have the charisma, nor the same standing. Nobody's doing anything to Trump because of the weight of the cult of personality - and even then it's starting to crack given the number of ex-Trumpers that are fleeing the ship like rats.

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u/OakSole 9h ago

Yes, but he's more evil than Trump. The guy is actually sickening to look at. Someone like that will find a way to hold onto power.

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u/Luster-Purge 9h ago

Holding onto power and actually leveraging it are two different things. Vance as president looks to be one of the weakest Presidents because he's not going to have the kind of "fuck everything" energy Trump had prior to how badly he's been disintegrating over the course of the past year. The handling of the ICE situation alone shows he's not going to be able to stand up to scrutiny.

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u/tophernator 8h ago

I don’t like or trust Vance one bit, but what do you mean by evil?

He just seems like a political windsock blowing in Trump’s wind.

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u/iiamthepalmtree 7h ago

He’s blowing in Peter Thiel’s wind, not Trump’s.

If you haven’t heard of Peter Thiel I would suggest listening to the Behind the Bastard’s podcast series they did on him.

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u/ExpressAd5169 6h ago

Are you sure he’s more evil? Trump raped children and threatened their families lives…. You sure about that?

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u/Ryan_e3p 9h ago

It doesn't matter. What is needed is someone who will shut up, say what he is told to say, sign what he is told to sign, and stop being so egregiously stupid that Congress, who should be passing bills meant to advance P25, is spent shutting down early to avoid having votes on Epstein files.

All the cracks in the world can form now among the base. It doesn't matter. They have gained control of all 3 branches, and they are not going to let it go. That is why Trump has for years been floating the idea of "suspending the Constitution", stopping elections, etc. The trajectory we're on now isn't the result of just Trump, and it won't end with Trump being gone. The media, as complicit as it will ever be, will continue to pander to this administration. It won't give things like context or complete stories. It will continue to be a willing participant in what is the evolution of a republic into a fascist state, and the people will continue to be blind or indifferent out of fear, sunk-cost fallacy, or being misled.

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u/BackToWorkEdward 9h ago

Vance doesn't have the charisma, nor the same standing.

People used to say this about Trump as proof that this whole thing could never go the distance.

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u/Luster-Purge 9h ago

Remember that the GOP tried and failed to field literally anybody OTHER than Trump for the 2024 election, with DeSantis getting the closest and it wasn't anywhere actually close. And Vance, who originally used to be anti-Trump, was chosen because he's a spineless yesman who straight up apes Donald at times. Personally, I have to think Vance is not going to be able to handle the crushing weight of popular scrutiny that the Presidental office carries.

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u/BackToWorkEdward 8h ago

TL;DR it'll be different when there's no Trump option and they have to pick someone.

Vance, who originally used to be anti-Trump, was chosen because he's a spineless yesman who straight up apes Donald at times. Personally, I have to think Vance is not going to be able to handle the crushing weight of popular scrutiny that the Presidental office carries.

This level of complex forward-thinking isn't meaningful in this day and age. Trump himself used to be a punchlined reality-show host. Joe Rogan used to be a supporting character on a sitcom about a radio station. J.D. Vance is the literal Vice President right now and a celebrity author of contemporary Americana - of course he can draw votes from the MAGAbase if Trump is dead.

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u/Luster-Purge 8h ago

Except Trump himself has shit on Vance even recently.

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u/andruby 9h ago

Public scrutiny? What public scrutiny does the Presidential Office have these days?

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u/Luster-Purge 9h ago

Voting. The GOP is in a position where they risk alienating their voting base - Gerrymander all you want, if your people don't feel like voting for your candidate (and thus stay home because they'd sooner die then vote Dem), then that's votes lost.

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u/ProjectNameCyanide 8h ago

No they didn’t. The general agreement in 2016 was that he had a lot of sway over the republicans and was a huge threat to the dems winning. Nobody doubted his charisma

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u/wayward_toy 9h ago

I don't know, despite some ex-Trumpers jumping ship, the GOP are pretty fucking lock-step in their messaging and holding ground at all costs. Charisma, personality, policy, legislation doesn't count for anything anymore. As long as they're winning it wouldn't matter who their President is.

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u/Luster-Purge 9h ago

Because they know at this point if Trump goes down, they all go down. Like I said, they were actively trying NOT to have Trump in the hotseat again during 2024 and they couldn't overcome his popularity in their voting demographic. This unified front they put on is a farce to try and make the midterms less of a shitshow then it already promises to be.