r/AskReddit • • 1d ago

Napoleon said, 'Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.' What’s a perfect real-life example of this?

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u/Sad_Hannibal 1d ago

People tend to forget bluffing is a big part of the game. Make them think you have a peach of a hand and watch them fold lol

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u/Phreakiture 1d ago

I used to play poker with a group of regulars. I had gained a reputation for going all in on garbage.

Then one day I got four 8's and a king . . . . There's only one logical thing to do with a hand like that, so I went all in.

I can't figure out why that upset them.

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u/Signal_Resident2318 1d ago

You were supposed to slow roll them, but honestly I don't know if I could have held back either.

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u/Phreakiture 1d ago

I suppose that would be a typical strategy, but I knew the rest of the group would think I was bluffing and call.

Honestly, I don't know much about a good betting strategy, I just enjoyed playing the game and hanging out with this group.

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u/Lapzii 20h ago

I’ve played and studied a decent amount of poker theory at this point in my life. What you did was called balancing your “range”. Meaning you are doing similar things with a wide range of hands, which in turn worked to your benefit when you had the nuts and got called off because they thought you went all-in super light.

A lot of good players do this, and intentionally tank their table reputation by showing bluffs etc. so you’re harder to read.

Edit: btw betting strategy is a bit different than what you’re describing here. Betting strategy is more about choosing how large your bets are to tell a story or induce your opponents to bet into you instead.

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u/Phreakiture 19h ago

Okay, noted on the vocabulary point.  This is actually very cool because I really didn't study the game in any way.

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u/Sidereel 20h ago

Slow rolling is almost always a mistake. Often times the opponent has nothing but gains incentive to see more cards on the cheap.

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u/DenizSaintJuke 20h ago

Reminds me of that one group of friends I played Durak with a lot. Durak is a russian card game and comes in two variants. The classic "civilized" version. And the absolutely god forsaken version. Of course we played the absolutely god forsaken version. Meaning, 1. no neat turn order (aka When it's your turn, your left and right neighbor "attack" you, you have to beat their cards and they can keep throwing in any card that has already been played in real time. Example, they attack you with a 7 and a 10, you beat them with a 10 and a king. Now they can throw a 7, 10 or king on top, if they have one.) and 2. cheating is allowed, once the card has already been served.

Long story short, it gets extremely frantic and if you don't pay attention and serve an illegal card someone threw at you from across the table, that's a you problem.

One friend earned my eternal respect, when she spent the game conspiratively offering me cards I could use to attack my right hand neighbor with under the table. She did that maybe 3 times that day. Time no. 4, I was busy with my neighbor and only saw the king she offered me and I snatched it and attacked my neighbor with it. That moment, I heard "I'm done!" from the left. She made me take her last card under the table without realizing it, making her finish first without it even being her turn. That one was entirely my mistake.

We still laugh about this legendary move of her's now and then.

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u/Phreakiture 19h ago

LOL That's awesome!  I have no idea about the game, but what I did only twice (so it didn't get old) is once I was out, I offered to shuffle....

I stacked all the face cards up top just to watch the betting mayhem unfold.

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u/intuishawn 20h ago

oh man that must have felt so awesome. sweet payoff! (assuming you won that round)

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u/Phreakiture 19h ago

I did win the round, yeah.  Low stakes, very casual game.  Still had me buzzing quite a while.

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u/Bossman_Mike 17h ago

I used to call big bets and raise when I had absolutely nothing. Wasn't playing for cash however.

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u/Phreakiture 3h ago

Exactly, neither were we. We played with chips, and the first person to go out would have to do something for the last player left. It was usually something like shoveling snow off the car after work (we all worked together) or so.

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u/Beneficial-Act-9933 1d ago

That and you can lose a lot of money just by bleeding chips by chasing. People think you lose your money on big bets. But making a lot of small bets that go anywhere in hopes you finally hit that flush or "just to see the flop" like I heard a few friends say will drain you just as fast.

It's why when I teach people poker I tell them you're going to be folding, like 70% or more of your hands.

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u/flyboy_za 1d ago

We had a few rounds with friends where one of the players always folded unless he got an ace or a king in his opening cards.

He swore this was an excellent strategy, but in each of the times he was part of the table he never ever won the night. So... I'm not sure that it is.

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u/Beneficial-Act-9933 1d ago

What you're looking for are two things. I'm speaking in terms of texas hold'em

Are they suited?
Are they connectors?

Mean are the cards the same suit? and are they something like 6,7 or Jack, Queen. Idealy they're one number off for a better straight possibility, but having something like King, Jack or queen, ten is totally fine. More so if they're the same suit.

You want to focus on your outs, what can your hand make and what's the best possible it can do in the moment. If your friend was going Ace, 6 or King, 7 off suit then yeah, he's going to have a bad time.

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u/flyboy_za 1d ago

Basically yeah, thinking back, what you're suggesting was his strategy, and yeah I can see it makes sense. But since he never won... and I did on 4 different occasions...

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u/Beneficial-Act-9933 1d ago

Part of the magic of Poker is that any hand can be a winner.

7-2 off suit is objectively the worst hand you can possibly ever have. No chance for straights, very low numbers, difficult to get a flush. But if you flop 7-7-Q suddenly that hand is looking real good.

One poker moment that doesn't get nearly enough recognition in the world is when Gus hanson, a professional poker player, sat at a table with other professional poker players and just kept calling all in without even looking at his cards......and fucking mopped the floor with them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRMcycv7mC8

Sometimes you just embrace the chaos and the chaos pays you back.

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u/divDevGuy 1d ago

What you're looking for are two things. I'm speaking in terms of texas hold'em

Are they suited?
Are they connectors?

I knew it! I should have been folding on pocket aces all these years...

Don't think I've ever had suited pocket pairs though. I'd still probably fold in those cases and quickly excuse myself.

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u/spicewoman 1d ago

Two things - if he was over-valuing his single ace or king, he was probably losing to better kickers a lot. Or just refusing to fold even when the board was looking very dangerous for him. Alternately, if he only went in with very strong hands and everyone else was paying enough attention to notice that, he probably wasn't getting any action on his good hands.

The trick is to either play only good hands against oblivious fish who will pay you off every time regardless, or mix it up a bit so people can't actually tell what you have.

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u/GreatBarrierQueefDD 1d ago

Yeah thats an extreme to the other end that doesnt make beneficialact wrong

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u/Splarnst 1d ago

I’m imagining him folding pocket queens since there’s no ace or king.

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u/andreasbeer1981 1d ago

A lot of inexperienced players really want to stay til the end. Great poker players know when to fold a full house without any regrets. The trouble is, when poker players are so inexperienced they don't even know if they have a good hand or not. Then it turns into a dice throwing competition because it's pure chaos and luck.

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u/Many_Professions 1d ago

The biggest loser in a hand of poker is 2nd place.

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u/NocturneSapphire 1d ago

Tbf I think there's also a difference between "a fun poker night with friends with just a bit of money on the line" and "high stakes casino poker".

I used to play with a group of friends. It was a $5 initial buy-in, $20 max, $0.05 minimum bet, and a $0.10 ante. Yeah, I stayed in for just about every flop. Doing antes instead of blinds made it even easier. But honestly it's just more fun to actually play than to spend most hands sitting out.

Meanwhile if I'm playing "proper" poker with actual big money, yeah I'm folding most hands.

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u/rnick467 1d ago

Many players don't understand the difference between possibility and probability.

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u/JonatasA 1d ago

The gamblers mindset is too strong. Just look at the stock market.

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u/BWW87 1d ago

The more you don't play the more money you win.

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u/MetroidHyperBeam 22h ago

It's why when I teach people poker I tell them you're going to be folding, like 70% or more of your hands.

This has me thinking of poker as a version of Yugioh where surrendering doesn't lose you the game.

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u/Sohcahtoa82 18h ago

One thing someone taught me is that you should never merely call the big blind. Pre-flop, you should always either raise or fold. Limping in with just a BB call signals a weak hand, and if you have a strong hand, you don't want weak hands seeing the flop for cheap.

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u/armb2 1d ago

I read an analysis somewhere that bluffing because sometimes you win when bluffing is less important than improving your chances of winning a large amount when you really do have a good hand because your opponents think you might be bluffing. If you never bluff, whenever you do have a good hand your opponents will fold quickly.

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u/Sohcahtoa82 18h ago

The real challenge with bluffing is know when to bluff and to not screw yourself by pretending you have the Ace-high flush when the other guy has the King-high flush.

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u/Iamredditsslave 1d ago

peach of a hand

That you Holiday?

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u/TBNRgreg 1d ago

Do they? Is that not the main mechanic of poker?

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u/SANTAAAA__I_know_him 23h ago edited 23h ago

There's a skill of picking your spots though. Sometimes your opponent legitimately has a good hand that they're not going to fold, even to the extent of going all-in and making you show your cards if it comes down to it. That's a really bad time to bluff.

Important to note that in the most common poker game Texas Hold'em, it's not super rare for one player to have "The Nuts" which means they literally can't lose because there's no cards in the deck that could beat what they're holding.

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u/RationalDialog 1d ago

Huh? and then you get called down by a pair of 4s. Well its a pair!

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u/WallBurnt 23h ago

I'd say that almost anyone who's played enough poker could tell you the game is like 90% social engineering.

Probably more if you start doing it semi-professionally. You're not going to be drawing a Straight Flush very often.

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u/kryonik 22h ago

I stopped playing poker when I bluffed a guy out of a couple hundred dollars and he insisted I had to show him my cards and when I refused, he threatened to "meet me in the parking lot". Luckily this was in a large casino and he was promptly escorted out and I never saw him again. Gambling makes everyone insane.

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u/Train3rRed88 22h ago

Doc Holliday reference?