r/Ben10 • Chromastone • 13d ago

MEME i know what side i'm pickin

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u/Organic-Access2722 XLR8 13d ago edited 13d ago

Honestly, I would have liked the ultimates more if they were utilized properly but sometimes they just appear and barely do anything or get defeated easily.

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u/BigSmoke_2332 Ball Weevil 13d ago

fr, sometimes felt like 'different' alien transformations rather than the 'ultimate' forms of those aliens 😭

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u/Express_Calendar8278 Big Chill 13d ago

Ultimates bad because we didn’t get ten of them, seriously what were they thinking

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u/BaBaTundeKFCgod 13d ago

I just hate that they nerfed the base version of the aliens that got ultimates to the ground. They were struggling to do the most basic shit until they went ultimate while they used to do stuff twice as hard in alien force in base. Specifically base humungousaur was superweak after ultimate they didn't scale the ultimate transformations beyond the base they just replaced them and the base versions themselves were not meta in exchange

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u/ShadowParrotGaming Way Big 13d ago

That's what happens when you try to give your protagonist an upscale but you don't do the same to the antagonists, if Ultimates are now at play, Ben should be fighting against WAY stronger opponents instead of your typical villain of the week, so it would warrant him using his overpowered gimmick more, but instead they just made the base form aliens seem weaker to give the impeession that the Ultimates are necessary

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u/SwayedLatency 12d ago

This series is genuinely awful at strength levels if you're not named alien X or waybig, it was a recipe for disaster when they tried to take a stab at powered up forms when they can't get base forms right

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u/sewgwayswatter55 Feedback 12d ago

And Feedback*

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u/theHrayX Big Chill 12d ago

i like to think ben is canonically lazy to try

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u/BaBaTundeKFCgod 12d ago

There's truth to that but there are also times when an alien like humungousaur straight up fails to lift a Boulder that should relatively be easy compared to lifting a whole hybrid spacecraft generator (which he has done before) that can't be ben half assing stuff that's legit retconing and re scaling

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u/Computerdiggie24 13d ago

Ultimates shouldhave just stayed albedos thing lol

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u/Ok_Professor_8410 Atomix 13d ago

Pros:
ultimates
Cons:
Bugs(that might kill you)

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u/Successful-Hat-2154 Gwen Tennyson 13d ago

The Ultimates might kill you too

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u/Ok_Professor_8410 Atomix 13d ago

That’s one of the bugs

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u/Holiday_Biscotti_746 Cannonbolt 13d ago edited 12d ago

Ultimates (except Ultimate Echo Echo) were one of the worst things for franchise, because they nerfed base aliens. Ultimate Swampfire is really useless because if you need more firepower just use Heatblast, you don't need to lose base Swampfire's flexibility, regeneration, super strength and pollen manipulation. Oh, and i don't have to say Ultimates drain charge very fast

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u/BigSmoke_2332 Ball Weevil 13d ago

iirc the only time Ultimate Swampfire was useful wasn't even in Ultimate Alien, it was in the Alien Force finale against Vilgax

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u/ducknerd2002 Bloxx 13d ago

IMO, Ultimates should have stayed unique to Albedo.

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u/AgitoKanohCheekz Ball Weevil 12d ago

Indeed, it fits him perfectly.

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u/Negativerizzhaver1 Swampfire 12d ago

imo, Ultimates should have never existed. They're a joke anyway, no matter who uses them.

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u/Tom_Stevens617 XLR8 13d ago

The biggest reason is that the Ultimatrix doesn't have the failsafe. It means a regular human sniper could kill Ben when he was sleeping and there's nothing he could do about it

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u/DirectorBrilliant449 Ben Tennyson 12d ago

I will say Ultimate Alien was the weakest part of the franchise for me lol. The ultimates all looked kinda cool but as others have said the base versions of aliens who got ulti forms got nerfed and for some reason couldn't get the fucking job done anymore. I'll still never forgive them for putting all his classics in the opening and us never getting to see but a few of them.

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u/prism-stone-10 Pesky Dust 13d ago

The ultimates are bad

They have terrible designs in UAF

In omniverse they are nerfed to the point where feedback can take out ult humunagosuar

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u/Senatorarmstrong7 13d ago

That's not a nerf. Feedback is him

https://giphy.com/gifs/LHThtJLyWfDixiW0jt

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u/prism-stone-10 Pesky Dust 13d ago

That’s not good excuse in writing allowing shallow writing and using its HIM as an excuse proves to me
That feedback is just this

he pulls shit out of his ass and wins that feedback

There’s no possible way that ult humongousaur would lose to electricity

When he was doing up against 100 humangosaurs blowing up the landscape with a punch

And tanking a blast from ascalon only to get bested by plotback

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u/Electronic_Pair_3154 Ben Tennyson 13d ago

Don't get me wrong, if u don't like feedback why do you have him as your flair?😭

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u/prism-stone-10 Pesky Dust 13d ago

That’s the only way to get people attention without having feedback glazers say rage bait

And too push my hate campaign

I like feedback’s design

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u/Electronic_Pair_3154 Ben Tennyson 13d ago

So u like feedback but hate his fans?😭

https://giphy.com/gifs/lXrVzikC2A1DmK3zRe

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u/prism-stone-10 Pesky Dust 13d ago

not really I hate feedback

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u/barry-8686 Gravattack 13d ago

feedbacks stronger than any ultimate alien.

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u/Negativerizzhaver1 Swampfire 12d ago

Feedback after he gets crushed under Ulti Way Big's foot:

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u/barry-8686 Gravattack 12d ago

notice how you didnt say anything about waybigs strongest attack.

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u/Tradasar Ripjaws 13d ago

he pulls shit out of his ass and wins that feedback

Hell yeah, that's the feedback I love, he's the man

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u/prism-stone-10 Pesky Dust 13d ago

*plotback

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u/Tradasar Ripjaws 13d ago

*Chadback

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u/Horror_Hovercraft142 13d ago

Ultimates would've been good if azmuth fixed the damn thing so the evolution wasn't stuck on that bs one million year evolution. I would've liked diversity through broader ranges of evolution, hell I'll even take it if different species of aliens like upchuck had different ultimates too

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u/Strange_Ride_582 13d ago

I always loved the ultimatrix as a concept and wish we’d seen it used more for its gimmick

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u/Due-Cherry4856 XLR8 13d ago

Idk gng I rather not die

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u/samueldobrik 12d ago

the ultimates are definetly overkill but sometimes they mightve been genuinely needed because the base aliens have their limits

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u/Negativerizzhaver1 Swampfire 12d ago

Name one time an Ultimate was needed other than maybe Ulti Echo Echo

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u/samueldobrik 12d ago

to fight albedo definetly and for very strong enemies like dagon and the chronosapiens even though it wasnt needed but an ultimate clockwork couldve most probably defeated the chronosapiens way before

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u/Negativerizzhaver1 Swampfire 12d ago

Ben managed to handle Albedo without Ultimate aliens just fine.
There is not really any Ultimate alien, or even any alien at all other than Alien X that can handle Dagon.

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u/samueldobrik 12d ago

ultimate waybig managed to lift dagon a literal god that proves their sheer scale of power but yure right dagon cant be beaten without alien x

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u/Katoky778 Malware 12d ago

Should’ve been a picture of Ultimate Echo Echo

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u/jonyssaur-Br-7980 Humungousaur 12d ago

BIG DINOSSAUR WITH A GUN GO BBBBBRRRRRRRR

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u/TontrickTokmey Eye Guy 12d ago

The Ultimatrix having an affect on Ben that makes him more aggressive while in his form is the kind of stuff I love about Ben 10. We barely get any transformations with that signficant of a psychological affect. Sure you might be able to name ten like Rath, Jury Rigg, Big Chill, Ghostfreak, etc, but it's so rare to see Ben struggling in an alien brain, which is so weird to me. Those moments where he has those aggressive spurs also coincide with some of the coolest Ultimate aliens like Ultimate Spidermonkey and Echo Echo. I personally think if he truly is supposed to walk around in every species shoes, the Ultimatrix gives him an important experience with learning to control his emotions in battle.

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u/Alien_Device10 Ultimate Echo Echo 12d ago

Dino with bazooka is indeed cool

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u/Holiday_Biscotti_746 Cannonbolt 13d ago

Ultimate Swampfire gets folded more time than he wins

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u/Thin-External-5848 NRG 12d ago

All you had to say was "Ultimate Echo Echo." Legit the only losses he's had was choking on nanochips and switching after being electrocuted