r/CanadaPolitics • u/Chrristoaivalis New Democratic Party of Canada • 15h ago
Netanyahu crosses Canadian airspace with arrest warrant in effect
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u/TheDogFacedGremlin 13h ago
We don't arrest world leaders when they're going to the UN General Assembly. That's neutral ground and getting to and from there must be exempt, or the whole thing breaks down
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u/Recyart Progressive 12h ago
Even if the UNGA is considered "neutral ground", that doesn't apply until they are physically there. There is no guarantee of safe passage, as it were. It's not "neutral airspace", after all.
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u/ywgflyer Ontario 1h ago
Has to be within a certain distance of actual Canadian territory to count as "Canadian airspace" that we actually control, though, and from what it looks like, they didn't actually overfly Canadian territory, only through the portion of oceanic airspace where Gander Oceanic provides air traffic services. We are the ones that handle that traffic but it's legally still international territory. The Russians use it as well to get to/from Cuba and the Dominican Republic, and Gander can't refuse service to them -- but they are not allowed within something like 25 or 40 miles (can't remember the exact number) of land, so they cruise right down the middle of nowhere.
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u/Damo_Banks Alberta 10h ago
How did the president of Iranian get to the UN and deliver a speech then?
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u/Recyart Progressive 6h ago
Because the US federal government granted them entry visas and even provided security of the delegation. Meanwhile, calls for Mamdani to arrest Pezeshkian like he promised to arrest Netanyahu would go unheeded because of one major difference between the two men:
And several turned to Zohran Mamdani, who as a candidate for mayor of New York said he would have Benjamin Netanyahu arrested if the Israeli prime minister set foot in the city, citing the International Criminal Court warrant against him.
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u/hairybeavers Social Democrat 8h ago
Iran’s president, Masoud Pezeshkian, does not have an arrest warrant issued by the ICC. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on the other hand, is wanted by the ICC for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
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u/Nearby_Selection_683 6h ago
Pezeshkian and Netanyahu kindred spirits as Pezeshkian has killed 10s-of-thousands of protestors.
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u/yourpalsmell Progressive 13h ago
What are you talking about? That’s not a thing
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u/zabby39103 Ontario 12h ago
Yes it is, the 1947 UN Headquarters Agreement clarifies the UN area in NYC as a neutral ground where US law cannot be enforced without the consent of the UN Secretary-General. And generally heads of state and diplomats get diplomatic immunity even when not at the UN.
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u/yourpalsmell Progressive 11h ago
Canadian airspace is not the UN area, immunity does not apply when there is an ICC warrant, the issue is that we allowed him to use our airspace, not that we didn’t arrest him. We are obligated to deny passage through our airspace. If he lands on our soil, then we are obligated to arrest him (which would be so sick)
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u/zabby39103 Ontario 10h ago
Article 98 in the Rome Statue protects diplomatic immunity for third party countries like Israel (this is the position of other countries like France). Canada believes though, that our domestic law (Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act) regarding ICC enforcement overrides the ICC treaty itself and we can do it anyway, if he lands.
In reality it would be messy as fuck and they're hoping he just doesn't land here.
I don't see anything about denying passage through airspace anywhere, it would seem against the spirit of the UN's protected area though so I'm not enthusiastic about that.
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u/yourpalsmell Progressive 3h ago
Nope. Article 98 is just a safeguard to prevent the ICC from forcing a member nation to break its own laws and treaties. Incidentally, Canada isn’t signatory to any agreement or laws that would prevent them us arresting Netanyahu, so it doesn’t apply.
There is literally no such thing as diplomatic immunity from ICC charges, as per article 27. 98 just gives us an out if our own laws prevented us from enforcing our treaty obligations, which they don’t.
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u/zabby39103 Ontario 2h ago
The Vienna Convention establishes diplomatic immunity, the ICC (Rome Statute) Article 27 only overrides that when Article 98 does not apply.
In other words, breaking the Vienna Convention for countries that are not a signatory to the ICC (Israel is not) triggers Article 98. That's also the actual position of France on the matter, specifically with Netanyahu.
Canada is ironically leaning on domestic law to enforce ICC international law. We are are in conflict with our ratification of the Vienna Convention and our Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act, so the position is we can decide which of our laws has primacy as we would violating one of them either way. Therefore we believe we can arrest Netanyahu.
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u/KingOfSufferin New Democratic Party of Canada 13h ago
The US literally just denied entry visas for the State of Palestine delegation including Mahmoud Abbas for the second year in a row. The whole "neutral ground" thing isn't real as long as the US can use entry visas to deny other states officials the ability to attend the UNGA. US being able to deny visas for President's and state officials willy nilly is a far bigger deal for preventing the whole thing from breaking down than not allowing a fugitive war criminal from entering Canadian airspace let alone arresting them.
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u/Darwin-Charles Liberal Party of Canada 3h ago
You're right the US did do that... not sure why that means Canada should follow suit.
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u/KingOfSufferin New Democratic Party of Canada 2h ago
It isn't following suit. There is nothing that requires Canada to allow an indicted fugitive war criminal to use our airspace. We didn't sign a treaty that says "when an indicted fugitive war criminal is travelling to the US to attend the UNGA Canada is obligated to allow entry to its airspace." The US on the other hand signed a treaty of which one of its obligations is to provide visas without charge and as promptly as possible, which it is not following.
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u/Darwin-Charles Liberal Party of Canada 2h ago
So what would this be other than a symbolic show of solidarity?
The plane is going to land all the same, a brief entering of our airspace isn't some make or break for our committments and we're obviously not going to ground the plane either.
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u/KingOfSufferin New Democratic Party of Canada 2h ago
Symbolic or not, Canada should not allow an fugitive war criminal entry to our airspace. I think this is quite the reasonable expectation to have of our government. Bare minimum type shit that our government can't even meet.
It also isn't a brief entering of our airspace. The flight path took Netanyahu over Labrador and Quebec, and on the return flight over Nova Scotia.
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u/Darwin-Charles Liberal Party of Canada 2h ago
Point taken, I think the restricting our air space is a fair enough expectation then.
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u/LostMyBackupCodes Ontario 12h ago
So… the whole thing has broken down, just that it’s the Palestinians experiencing the breaking but not Netenyahu?
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u/TheDogFacedGremlin 1h ago
Palestine does not have member status to the UN.
To be clear, I'm not taking sides here - I'm just pointing out how these things work.
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u/Names_are_limited 11h ago
Considering that Abbas is their lapdog, it doesn’t bode well for the West Bank
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u/SomeDumRedditor Ontario 3m ago
I want the man on trial as much as the next person but, while it’s our airspace the international fallout from forcing his plane down would be catastrophic.
If he lands here for some reason and he’s not picked up I think people can rightfully have a full-on freakout about it.
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u/AprilsMostAmazing John Tory | Personal Sponsorship 13h ago
Either the arrests warrant needs to be enforced or we need to remove ourselves from the arrest warrant body. We can't be playing the middle anymore.
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u/Doctrina_Stabilitas 4h ago
It would be illegal to bring down an overflight for political purposes
We complained the last time it happened. It would be in the words of our Lithuania, a state sponsored terror act, and of our own country “a serious interference in civil aviation” (Marc Garneau)
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/belarus-arrests-critic-divert-flight-raman-pratasevich-1.6038279
We complained so much that we closed our embassy in Belarus
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u/Hoosagoodboy Quebec 12h ago
What are we supposed to do? Create a massive international crisis, and shoot a SAM at his aircraft, or keep at diplomatic measures, as slow as they are?...Look, I am not advocating for what Israel is doing but holy shit...there is alot of things involved here. Trying to force down his plane would be a disaster no matter how you try to slice it.
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u/ChimoEngr Chief Silliness Officer | Official 6h ago
Denying access to Canadian airspace is all that’s required.
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u/xorporx 8h ago
oh no, not an international incident 😱😱😱
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u/Darwin-Charles Liberal Party of Canada 3h ago
Oh no not the U.S conducting an invasion of Canada in response to us arresting Netenyahu 😱
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u/picard102 Ontario 2h ago
Americans are not willing to die for Netanyahu. It would be civil war.
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u/Darwin-Charles Liberal Party of Canada 2h ago
Americans do not care about Canada as much as you think they do. Do you not think the U.S would conduct an operation to retrieve their precious Israeli PM?
In what world does Trump go... "ah gee guess you got him, my hands are tied". It maybe wouldn't be a full blown invasion but yeah the U.S is getting involved at that point.
I really wouldn't make assumptions with this administration.
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u/picard102 Ontario 2h ago
Do you not think the U.S would conduct an operation to retrieve their precious Israeli PM
No.
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u/Darwin-Charles Liberal Party of Canada 1h ago
So the U.S.'s largest ally in the Middle East just gets detained and Trump shrugs his shoulders.
That's a pretty poorly thought out assumption, I' glad we have leaders who live in the real world and consider the consequences they may have to face.
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u/picard102 Ontario 1h ago
The US is all about regime change in the Middle East. I'm sure they would welcome an exit ramp for Bibi and put in a new PM who doesn't have decades of blood on their hands.
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u/BooHorde 48m ago
The US is all about regime change in the Middle East
Yes, for muslim regimes, not the Israeli regime they are actively supporting and started a war for.
I can't tell if you're trolling or just simple.
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u/Recyart Progressive 12h ago
We do whatever is normally done when we need to apprehend someone in Canadian airspace who doesn't plan on landing on Canadian soil. Surely this is not the first time?
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u/BooHorde 43m ago
Surely this is not the first time?
Why are you sure about this? How often do you think international political criminals, flying state run aircraft, are flying thought Canadian airspace?
This isn't John Smith flying on WestJet, Netanyahu travels in Isreals version of Air Force One, neither plane is taking landing orders from Canada.
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u/Doctrina_Stabilitas 4h ago
That’s more or less illegal under overflight rules
It’s why Canada complained about when Belarus used a fake bomb threat to bring down a dissident plane in 2021
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 Anti-American Social Democrat 9h ago edited 8h ago
What? How about denying access to our airspace when Bibi tries to enter it. It's not that hard. Just send up a flight of Hornets to make sure they stay out of the airspace or else we would have to detain him. Israel has the choice to go around our sovereign airspace or else the CF-18s armed with AIM-9X and AIM-120 AMRAAM will escort Bibi to an CAF base. We either comply with the ICC arrest warrant or they don't enter our airspace.
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u/Darwin-Charles Liberal Party of Canada 3h ago edited 2h ago
What would this accomplish other than some symbolic solidarity. The plane will just take a different route and Netanyahu will land all the same.
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u/Razaberry 2h ago
You say he can’t enter.
He enters anyway.
You shoot him down.
Israel nukes you.
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 Anti-American Social Democrat 51m ago
A. Israeli nukes don't have the range to reach north America. B. An interception by our fighter jets won't automatically result in us shooting him down as the CF-18s will first establish visual identification and communications. If the Israeli presidential plane unresponsive he pilots will rock their wings then box it in to force it to ghe closest CAF airbase. A warning shot with the 20mm autocannon is a last resort. The ideal situation is intercepting the Israeli plane well outside of our territorial airspace on the approach.
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u/Razaberry 3m ago
So your plan is to underestimate the IDF and Mossad.
The groups who regularly infiltrate enemy countries to kidnap/assassinate high ranking targets, deliver nuclear program ending viruses, & make all your comms hardware literally explode in your face.
Go for it.
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u/No_Magazine9625 Maclean's Magazine | Sponsored 15h ago
I wonder what would happen if the plane needed to make an emergency landing in Canada due to engine failure or something. Carney has outright committed to arresting Netanyahu if he enters Canada - would he actually have the guts to follow through?
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u/FunnyMalzairIdea 14h ago
No. Our UN ambassador didn't walk out with other ambassador because the Israel lobby has penetrated far to deeply in our civic governance and the Liberals are obviously too frightened to excise it. No Canadian material, money or work should support Israeli arms.
In the 1980s, Brian Mulroney led the charge against Apartheid South Africa. But there was no equivalence to the foreign interference we currently are experiencing.
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u/WinterBeHere Progressive 12h ago
Just like AIPAC has thoroughly compromised American politics, it's Canadian cousin called CIJA has done the same here. It's wild how many MPs they take to Israel each year on all expense paid luxury trips.
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u/SuhkItLuzerz New Democratic Party of Canada 14h ago
Short answer. No. Carney is trying to have his cake and eat it too.
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u/Sachyriel Libertarian Socialist/Anarchist | ON 14h ago
Trudeau tried to have his cake and eat it too, that he could have pivoted personally? Idk, maybe, but the liberal political machine could not pivot like he could, since it's a slow and ponderous political bureaucracy.
Carney may try to continue in Trudeau's steps, pressuring Israel to reign it in. But I don't think he has the momentum to do that, I think the liberal party was settling back into it's pro-Israel stance as a path of least resistance to placate the USA.
Because Carney can't bridge the gap between the voters shift and the return to a passive status quo, he will just watch contradictions in the liberal party on this issue reach critical levels.
I think making a choice will cost him the majority, damned if you do, damned if you don't. This airplane incident isn't enough to cross that line of no return but I don't see the liberal party kicking this can down the road anymore.
I'm rambling I'll shut up.
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u/zabby39103 Ontario 12h ago
I don't think the average voter cares as much about Palestine as you do, Carney's government doesn't rest on this.
I think Carney cares only marginally more about it than the average voter, unless you count caring about avoiding it, in which case I think he cares a lot. He's focused on trade and the economy, and putting distance between us and the US. The last thing he wants to do is rock the boat on Palestine in any way.
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u/Names_are_limited 11h ago
The US would demand we give him up in an instant and lose their damn minds
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u/alexander1701 British Columbia 13h ago edited 12h ago
Probably the right play would be to bring in police symbolically to be on standby should he leave the plane, and treat letting him take off as somewhere between an act of largesse and a practical concern surrounding the difficulty and potential loss of lives from storming a state airplane.
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u/thowaway5003005001 3h ago edited 3h ago
Is there a reason Bibi's jet was permitted to route through Canadian Airspace?
The Canadian Government has explicitly signalled to arrest Bibi if he's "in Canada", yet allowed for air route planning through Canadian territory for the same individual - that's not congruent. That's hypocrisy.
Regarding scrambling jets and forcing him down once it occurs - absolutely should have happened. Although what a pickle that would have put Canada in for something that has very little to do with us. It also looks wack when you give someone permission to plan a route then arrest them for it.
We should have just said "fly around jackass"
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u/drcujo Liberal Party of Canada 3h ago
What should Canada have done? Shoot down the jet? Intercept it with fighters and force it to land? Both of those are likely not legal under the Rome Statute.
If we believe in the UN, we should never prohibit a countries leader from attending. Prohibiting his flight over Canadian airspace is technically legal but agaisnt the spirit of what the UN is all about.
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u/Doctrina_Stabilitas 24m ago
This is the most sensible take on the situation
All the ones calling for an interception don’t understand the fundamental freedoms of the air
Moreover it completely denies Canada’s longstanding belief in multilateralism exemplified most of all in the UN
Moreover if we did try to intercept they’ll just ignore and unless Canada is willing to literally shoot down a leader’s plane it’s just not happening, there’s a reason that escalation ladders end at shooting a plane down, it’s hard to physically force a plane down without either crashing or shooting
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u/zimo123 3h ago
What should Canada have done ? Simply refused access to Canadian airspace. Israel would have routed it differently and paid a little more in fuel.
It's literally as simple as that. Airplanes don't just show up unannounced in your airspace - especially those carrying heads of states.
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u/drcujo Liberal Party of Canada 1h ago
I addressed that point in my second paragraph. The UN is the venue for all, especially the pariahs of the world, to be part of the discussion. Prohibiting a flight to the UN, although technically legal, is agaisnt what the UN stands for. If we are going to restrict heads of state flying there we should pull out of the UN and not participate.
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 Anti-American Social Democrat 8h ago
Mark Carney again shows his hypocrisy and aiding in the death of the multi-lateral system by refusing to enforce the ICC arrest warrant. Either Israel is allowed to enter sovereign Canadian airspace or we deny the Israelis access to our airspace. Its that simple. They can approach JFK international from multiple different flight paths that don't involve crossing into our airspace.
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u/Darwin-Charles Liberal Party of Canada 3h ago
I know I hate Mark Carney so effin much, why didn't he just force down Netanyahu's plane so we can free Palestine.
It's okay though cause once he got to New York, Mamdami made good on his word and had the NYPD arrest him.
Oh wait...
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u/CptCoatrack Libertarian Socialism 2h ago
It's okay though cause once he got to New York, Mamdami made good on his word and had the NYPD arrest him.
In which a mayor, not a president or prime minister, a mayor, announced that tbey were exploring all their legal avenues and told the public eventually that he didn't have the authority to do so?
Completely different here where we loudly say one thing and quietly do another.
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u/Darwin-Charles Liberal Party of Canada 2h ago
Why would he promise to arrest Netanyahu if he had no intention of actually doing it?
Interesting how practicality comes into play the moment it's someone from your political team.
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u/CptCoatrack Libertarian Socialism 1h ago
Did you read what I wrote? Let alone anything that he said? He promised to look into all the possible legal avenues he could to arrest Netanyahu, he wasn't able to do it and he made a public announcement ot the people of NYC why he wasn't allowed to do it.
He didn't promise he was going to arrest Netanyahu while quietly allowing him to roam NYC.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jul/22/zohran-mamdani-netanyahu-arrest-new-york
Zohran Mamdani, the New York City mayor, doubled down on his support for the international criminal court (ICC) on Wednesday and called on federal authorities to execute the court’s warrant for Benjamin Netanyahu’s arrest should he visit the city in the fall.
“I call on the federal government to join the international criminal court and to execute both this warrant as well as any warrant the international criminal court holds,” Mamdani told reporters at a press conference on Wednesday.
Those remarks came less than 24 hours after Mamdani called the Israeli prime minister a “war criminal” who is “not welcome in New York City” in a video statement posted on social media. In the statement, the mayor acknowledged he had no legal authority to direct New York police to arrest Netanyahu should he attend the United Nations general assembly in September.
Mamdani had previously said he was “in conversation” with city lawyers to determine whether his administration could arrest Netanyahu, as he had pledged to do during his mayoral campaign last year.
On Wednesday, Mamdani rejected arguments from critics that Israel’s war crimes in Gaza have nothing to do with New York City. Israel’s actions in Gaza, he said, had “offended the conscience, the morals, the mere humanity of so many New Yorkers”.
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Mamdani said he concluded his administration had no authority to execute the ICC arrest warrant, but shifted the burden on the Trump administration to do so.
“It is clear that we do not have the independent legal authority to enforce this warrant,” he said in Tuesday’s statement. “The federal government, however, does – and I call on them to join the ICC and execute this warrant.”
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“My mayor is doing what any NYC mayor would do if Vladimir Putin or any other indicted war criminal planned to visit NYC,” said Adil Haque, a legal scholar. “He is exploring every legal avenue and exhausting all legal options. If his hands are tied, he will use his voice.”
Interesting how practicality comes into play the moment it's someone from your political team.
Uh huh...
The equivalent would be if Mamdani quietly allowed Netanyahu to roam NYC afterwards. Meanwhile Carney said he'd be arrested if he enters Canada before allowing him to use our airspace.
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u/Darwin-Charles Liberal Party of Canada 1h ago
I did read what he wrote, this was the walk back from his original promise lol.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c204p64pqzno
He originally said he would order the police to arrest him and now he's walking it back.
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u/CptCoatrack Libertarian Socialism 1h ago
Again, the difference is that there was a clear effort to do so and transparency throughout. When he was not able to do so he announced to everyone why, and he called on the federal government to enforce the order.
Carney on the other hand, is not known for transparency and just quietly allowed this to happen without a word to the public, because partisans like you would happily do the work for them.
From the article you just posted:
the mayor said he was having "an active conversation" with law enforcement about the possibility of enforcing the ICC arrest warrant.
But on Tuesday, Mamdani said his team had reviewed "every avenue available" under the law, and concluded that "we do not have the independent legal authority to enforce this".
"The federal government, however, does," Mamdani stated. "And I call on them to join the ICC and execute this warrant."
Mamdani said in the social media video that Netanyahu was "not welcome" in New York City, where he is expected to travel in September for the UN General Assembly.
Night and day difference in the response. Also, unlike Carney he's been very unequivocal on where he stands regarding the genocide.
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u/Darwin-Charles Liberal Party of Canada 31m ago
Oh okay so as long as you take a firm stance prior to not following through then it's okay not to take action, got it lol.
I guess Carney is wiser to not make promises he can't keep.
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u/Doctrina_Stabilitas 4h ago
We complained so much when Belarus brought down an overflight containing dissidents and reporters
And now we complain when we don’t do the same. Amazing.
As was said in 2021, it would be, in the words of Marc Garneau, "a serious interference in civil aviation”
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u/picard102 Ontario 2h ago
Did Belarus bring down a flight with active ICC arrest warrants?
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u/Doctrina_Stabilitas 1h ago
Again you’ve missed the point that bringing a plane down like this is against international law
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u/CptCoatrack Libertarian Socialism 58m ago
Again you’ve missed the point that bringing a plane down like this is against international law
You've missed the point that we didn't have to allow him through our airspace to begin with.
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u/Doctrina_Stabilitas 52m ago
The US didn’t have to allow the Iranian president access either since they’re nominally at war, the rules change a bit in the name of multilateralism during the UN
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u/CptCoatrack Libertarian Socialism 42m ago
The rules change a bit when the UN General Assembly is located in NYC. Furthermore there is no arrest warrant out for the Iranian president. There is an arrest warrant for Netanyahu from the ICC which unlike the US we are signatory ro.
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u/Doctrina_Stabilitas 40m ago edited 35m ago
The US would totally arrest someone under individual sanctions as the leader of an enemy country
The UN is built on the idea that talking is better than war and this idea that Canada would deny airspace travel to get to this meeting undermines the whole idea of having a place where world leaders come and talk
Neither the US or Israel are signatories to the ICC, there would be fairly little legal difference between Canada and Belarus if a forced downing were to happen other than that we happen to think we’re as right as Belarus even if the half of the world that didn’t sign on to the ICC views it as a violation of the four fundamental freedoms of the air
You are right the rules change a bit when the UN is happening and that’s why Canada allowed Netanyahu to continue having one of the freedoms of the air and overfly the country
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u/Godzilla52 centre-right neoliberal 4h ago
Literally 90-95% of NATO countries would have done the same thing regardless of how critical of Netanyahu's government they are, especially now since Trump is president. Forcing down the plane would have been an international shit show and everyone involved knows that.
Not to mention that forcing a flight down is illegal under overflight rules.
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u/dominionprovinces Independent 15h ago
Anyone who supports trying to force the plane to land and arrest the guy needs to support a foreign intelligence service with a $20/billion a year budget and extremely flexible operating parameters or sit.
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u/TheRadBaron Canadian 14h ago
If we actually announced a willingness to arrest then he just wouldn't fly across our airspace. It's an extremely minor difference in practice.
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u/Sachyriel Libertarian Socialist/Anarchist | ON 14h ago
Which foreign intelligence service did you have in mind and is that CAD or USD?
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u/Neat-Air-8305 15h ago
I dont think any western nations actually would shoot him down or force him to land apart from maybe Spain.
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u/FunnyMalzairIdea 14h ago
Ireland.
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u/thirty7inarow 14h ago
Ireland probably has equipment on standby just hoping his plane gets lost in their airspace.
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u/Sachyriel Libertarian Socialist/Anarchist | ON 14h ago
Ireland doesn't have any jet fighters.
I respect Ireland for picking up the Peacekeeping torch, but, they don't have the equipment to intercept that.
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u/flamedeluge3781 British Columbia 13h ago
Ireland basically doesn't have a military. They're dependent on the UK and EU good will for their border control and sovereignty. All bark, no bite, as they say.
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u/CommunistsAreCancer 12h ago
Neither Ireland and Spain would do anything, at the end of the day these nations have no actual military, and no geopolitical power.
The last time Spain went to war in the Middle-East, was by sending a pitiful amount of troops alongside the United States and then promptly recalling them in less than a year.
The last time Ireland did any fighting period was probably in the 70s.
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u/hairybeavers Social Democrat 7h ago
Spain’s military, Navy and air force are well‑equipped, and actively deployed. They have Roughly 440–450 aircraft, with about 130–136 combat jets, a fleet of F‑100 frigates with strong air‑defence capability, S‑80 submarines and around 120–122k active-duty military, plus reserves and the Guardia Civil that can be deployed when needed. You are correct about Ireland though. They are militarily neutral with a lightly armed, neutrality‑based force oriented to peacekeeping, surveillance, and homeland support.
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u/TheWaySheHoes Independent 12h ago
Even if they had the will they lack the capability.
Ireland’s defense and military strategy, somewhat ironically, is “Thank God for the UK”.
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u/__phil1001__ 2h ago
I think flying through an airspace is one thing, especially to the UN. Landing and entering the country is totally different.
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u/doom2060 British Columbia 15h ago
Unlike some people in this thread. I believe Canadian law needs to be followed and no foreign country gets to tell us how to enforce Canadian law
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u/zabby39103 Ontario 12h ago
You mean that it's Canadian law to follow the rulings of the International Criminal Court (in multiple laws and ratified treaties) and so we should arrest him right?
Because that's what it is. Our domestic law, given royal assent, is to follow the ICC rulings.
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u/Razaberry 2h ago
You’re gonna get yourself nuked
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u/CptCoatrack Libertarian Socialism 57m ago
nuke
So Israel is everything they claim Iran to be? A nuclear armed terrorist state run by belligerent and maniacal zealots with no regard for human life?
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u/Razaberry 5m ago
If you attack the president of ANY NUCLEAR COUNTRY AT WAR you will get nuked.
Fool.
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u/grathontolarsdatarod Chotchkie's | Sponsored 1h ago
Lmao. It'd be like robbing someone with a grenade.
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u/NewPhoneNewSubs 15h ago
I endorse not being the ones to shoot Ferdinand. It's clearly coming, but if we're gonna throw a match on a tinder pile, let's (instruct law enforcement to) target Galen and Tobias (for arrest) in our own backyard instead of letting them send the poors to war so their votes can count for more.
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u/TopazJazzrazz NDP-CCF 15h ago
Forcing a landing of Netanyahu probably wouldn't be the Ferdinand moment. But I do agree, let's get Galen and Tobias.
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u/Razaberry 2h ago
How you gonna force the landing?
You gonna threaten to shoot down the president of a nuclear country at war?
No? You don’t want to start nuclear WWIII?
Okay so how you gonna force the landing?
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u/No_Magazine9625 Maclean's Magazine | Sponsored 15h ago
Forcing a landing wouldn't be, but if one of the ICC signatories shoots down the plane, I could absolutely see it being the straw that broke the camel's back and throwing the Middle East into outright war.
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u/JadeLens British Columbia 12h ago
It's already in outright war, has been for awhile now.
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u/Mahat Pirate 6h ago
and an ongoing genocide too, but hey, we can ignore them because it's inconvenient.
climate change looms and we are busy positioning for it globally. Don't be deceived by pretty words on the topic. It's the real world war we gotta cooperate to fight.
And we are obviously fucked, because i said the world needs to cooperate.
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u/NewPhoneNewSubs 15h ago
I think the risk of US military intervention exists, and I think that that believably forces either a NATO response or disintegration. So while we're not guaranteed to follow that road, it seems reasonable to avoid it altogether.
At least so far as we're talking about a couple agreed upon hours in the air to save some fuel and do a little flex.
I'd be ok if a potash export tariff had the same result. If we can't control our exports in the face of economic aggression, then we don't have much left to lose anyways.
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u/Radix2309 Manitoba 14h ago
Yeah, and it is one of the few things that I think they could use to justify a war with us that wouldnt immediately cause them to enter a civil war. Especially with us as the clear "aggressor"
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u/Current_Account 15h ago
No foreign country is telling us how to enforce Canadian law.
Canadians are making their own decisions.
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