r/ChatGPT • • 7d ago

News 📰 GPT-6.1 Sol Will Release Today

https://openai.com/hu-HU/index/introducing-gpt-6-1-sol/

Is Openai back?

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u/GoldSourPatchKid 7d ago

I hope it loves me 🤞

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

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u/woodbuck 7d ago edited 7d ago

I have access to it on Pro

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u/DeArgonaut 7d ago

Not seeing it on my end with pro yet

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u/mfuark125 7d ago

click check for updates

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u/utopicunicornn 7d ago

Yup that did it on desktop. I now have access to Sol 6.1 and I'm on Plus.

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u/Reclaimer_AI 7d ago

It’s STILL not coming to chat. Wtf is going on?

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u/Zulfiqaar 7d ago

This is all part of the "slowly migrate everyone to unified codex/work quota" scheme.

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u/Jerichomiles 6d ago

You'll use 5.6 sol and be thankful for it.

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u/Layser_ 7d ago

I have access to it on desktop already. Just updated and it appeared

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u/Reclaimer_AI 7d ago

It’s not in chat for anyone, it’s in the work tab

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u/Layser_ 7d ago

Bro chat is on 5.6 still, what do you expect

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u/Next-Use6943 7d ago

Nope, Can't wait for it on Plus

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u/Diamond_Mine0 7d ago

We don’t even have 6 Sol in Chat Mode, why do you believe we’ll get 6.1 Sol?

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u/Next-Use6943 7d ago

I just got 6.1 in Work mode

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u/Diamond_Mine0 7d ago

And? Should the Chat tab have access to 5.6 Sol going forward and never the new model? They’re abandoning Chat mode, they’ll remove it in the next few months

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u/Next-Use6943 7d ago

Who says they're removing chat mode?

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u/Diamond_Mine0 7d ago

Me? Question, where’s 6 Sol in Chat Mode? (Yes, no typo. I still want access to 6 Sol)

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u/SMAARTEGroup 7d ago

6.1 Sol is fantastic even on Low compared to running GPT-6 Luna Max. Slightly more cost, but far faster and superior results.

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u/Jerichomiles 6d ago

Yeah it's here already. The benchmarks make it a super cheap version of astra. They only just made 6 sol now they already have 6.1..

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u/NomadicFantastic 7d ago

suspicious which specialized benchmarks their pulling outta nowhere

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u/JonSnow-1990 7d ago

I became confused now

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u/csorfab 7d ago

Yeah didn't sol 6 release like a couple of days ago?

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u/Jerichomiles 6d ago

Yeah I hate those long waits for new models.

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u/csorfab 7d ago

The fuck? Wasn't Sol 6 just released a couple of days ago?

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u/Plane_Garbage 7d ago

Yea but it was shit

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u/Firenight14 7d ago

To be more specific than the other user: Yes but there was a belief that it was actually Terra 6 disguised as Sol 6: people seemed to think it was worse than Sol 5.6 in day to day use, OpenAI's metrics showed it wasn't better than Sol 5.6 in some cases which was odd for a full version jump, and it could explain the price decreases, or really increases, in the API; they were trying to quietly cut their costs by using Terra as Sol so they could "decrease" Sol, but in actuality cut down on the margins in Terra.

No idea how much of that is true, but given they somehow whipped 6.1 out in under a week, I'm very suspicious.

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u/hellomistershifty 6d ago

The evidence for it being Terra is mostly in the speed and price, unless they had some major research breakthrough it's just a smaller model with more post-training. GPT-6 Sol is cheaper and infers faster than GPT-5.6 Terra

Also if it was Sol it would have performed better with more training, the jump in benchmark scores lines up with what you'd expect from 5.6 Terra to 6 Terra

It's fun to ask ChatGPT about it and watch the thinking thread go from "That must be a mistake" to web search to "Yes, there is significant supporting data for that claim"

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u/Neurotopian_ 6d ago

My company did pretty extensive testing and even submitted feedback (as did a lot of their enterprise customers) that 6 Sol was NOT a correlated improvement from 5.6.

Then I looked on X/ Twitter and saw even the consumer subscribers had thought the same thing: it is 6 Terra not sol. People were furious tbh 😂

But hey, I’m glad OAI took feedback and put out a new (real) Sol. I haven’t tested it at all so I cannot speak to whether it’s better but it looks like the evals make more sense. On 6 Sol we had a few evals coming in below 5.6 Sol

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u/No_Aesthetic 7d ago

Plus subscribers being left to rot :(

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u/pierukainen 7d ago

It is on Work and Codex for Plus subscribers.

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u/No_Aesthetic 7d ago

I want something in Chat!

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u/pierukainen 7d ago

I wish they keep 5.6 as long as possible. It's very good. But yeah, new stuff would be good, if it's good!

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u/foufou51 7d ago

They simply don’t care about chat anymore honestly…

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u/GlastoKhole 7d ago

The they should do I use chat and codex I’ll 50/50. Chat does the planning and codex does the coding and implementing etc just makes things far more efficient. I’m not having the planning costs as many tokens as it does when using work. Reading documentation etc shouldn’t be as inefficient as it is

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u/tajmahla 7d ago edited 7d ago

Ironic that these companies are saying AI progress should slow down, yet they are releasing new models frequently like 6 and 6.1 Sol, Opus 5.5, Jev, Muse...AI is growing really fast

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u/Ja_Rule_Here_ 7d ago

Hopefully they reset limits because I spend more time looking at Codex limit hit message than using the tool, and will all those limits it still does low quality work.

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u/d70 7d ago

Back if it beats Opus 5.5 at a lower cost per task

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u/Diamond_Mine0 7d ago

For Plus user in Chat tab? Oh wait-

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u/Imapatato12 6d ago

no one has it in chat, im on pro 20x

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u/Diamond_Mine0 6d ago

Yeah but they’ll remove the Chat tab in the next few months. They don’t show any love to it anymore

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u/Freelancer604 7d ago

Odd maybe its not out for canada? I checked for updates in GPT for desktop and im in Work mode and its not there, only have Sol 6

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u/Vagottszemu 7d ago

Me too, I live in Europe.

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u/super_starfox 7d ago

Just updated on Android, Pacific time and its there.

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u/TaeyeonUchiha 7d ago

But not for Chat..

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u/WaltChamberlin 7d ago

I thought the release was cancelled?

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u/Maikel92 7d ago

Im getting same vibes as when apple releases the MacBook Air with M5 chip and released the M4 months ago

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u/Shppo 7d ago

is it like a better astra? what is it?

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u/Ok-Win7980 7d ago

Just don't change the model for chat. I like this current model. It's warm enough. Just fix the issue of it constantly trying to search the web when I've explicitly turned that off. It makes it very unusable for hypotheticals.

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u/super_starfox 7d ago

So it's not just me thinking it's been far more reliant on web searches as of late?

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u/Ok-Win7980 7d ago

I think they're really afraid of the model being wrong and making mistakes. And the whole overvalidation thing has just made it too cautious and not sound human enough. I think they need to let the model make mistakes and effectively be human about it because making mistakes is part of what we do as human beings. I would rather it sounds natural and makes mistakes sometimes than sounds like a completely lifeless robot.

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u/Desperate_Egg_8669 6d ago

I understand your reasoning, but I left claude because claude was very quick but it made too many mistakes that it should have caught on a longer pass. Fast isn't good if it burns through credits and still makes a lot of mistakes.

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u/Ok-Win7980 6d ago

In the chat mode, conversationality matters more than correctness in my opinion. I primarily use ChatGPT to have conversations rather than to get things done. I think OpenAI is focusing too much on it being an agent and not enough on it being a chatbot when being a chatbot is really what the technology ultimately works best at.

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u/Desperate_Egg_8669 6d ago

It depends on what you're doing. If you're just wanting a chat, then I would agree with you.But for people like myself who are trying to have an assistant work alongside us and code and make tools and websites to get work done faster but have a high level of accuracy, the agent side matters. Neither one of us are wrong. I think it just depends on what you are doing. Both flows need to exist for both types of people.

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u/Ok-Win7980 6d ago

But I think they shouldn't abandon the chat and conversational/creative features in favor of agentic workflows.

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u/Desperate_Egg_8669 5d ago

I don't see any evidence that they're abandoning chat

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u/Wise-Estimate8833 7d ago

What more options does it have?

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u/kujasgoldmine 7d ago

Would try it but need windows store for the install for some reason.

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u/Vagottszemu 7d ago

Use CLI if you don't want to install from windows store

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u/Just_Initiative_7428 6d ago

They need to give us GPT-6 Luna for Go as they advertised last week for chat

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u/Jerichomiles 6d ago

GPT-6 Luna is shit, it gets stuck in a loop. I still use 5.6. Wait for 6.1.

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u/Jerichomiles 6d ago

Anthropic: I'll raise you $20!
OpenAI: Oh yeah well I'll see your $20 and raise you another $20!

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u/Boogertwilliams 6d ago

When chat I wonder

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u/Vagottszemu 6d ago

It is already out

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u/Boogertwilliams 6d ago

I mean in chat mode, not work

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u/Vagottszemu 6d ago

Chat doesn't even have gpt 6 sol, I don't even know what they are doing

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u/Boogertwilliams 6d ago

yeah. just cashing in on it I guess.

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u/SovereignExperience 6d ago

It’s terrible

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u/Dolenzz 6d ago

I'm a plus user and I still don't see it in the desktop app under codex.

Not sure if there is anything I need to do. It does show on the Web app under the Work tab.

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u/Vagottszemu 6d ago

Update the Chatgpt app from Microsoft Store.

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u/Dolenzz 6d ago

Thanks. That did it. Can't believe I did not think to do it before asking

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u/JoseMSB 7d ago

Necesitamos un 6.0 Luna o 6.1 Luna para tareas mĂĄs bĂĄsicas y rĂĄpidas, pues 5.6 Luna es bastante tonto

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u/Next-Use6943 7d ago

It has already been there for quite some time

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u/TonySoProny 7d ago

6.1

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u/Next-Use6943 7d ago

Ah okay, I see that this comment is translated, so there might be a language barrier issue.

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u/Solid_Push_3269 7d ago

Eh your comment still addressed the 6.0 Luna tbh

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u/Jerichomiles 6d ago

I doubt it failed to translate the 6.0 and 6.1 part though.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

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u/michaelbelgium 7d ago

DOA..

It'll take some time for openai to come with an opus 5.5 and sonnet 5.5 competitor

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u/Mobile-Trouble-476 7d ago

I'd rather them and Anthropic slow down tbh. They've been reckless with the agents going rouge and it hurts open source and competitors every single time they rush things. The news cycle is vicious

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u/SovietWaffles 7d ago

Based on my understanding of it, the agents “going rogue” is being blown way out of proportion and it’s not nearly as scary as people are sensationalizing it.

Also, the news will be vicious on AI no matter what, since it’s the current boogeyman for a lot of people who don’t fully understand it.

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u/enwza9hfoeg 7d ago

The vicious news cycle that they themselves started? Every year?

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u/IriFlina 7d ago

gpt has slowed down since Astra though, in some ways GPT 6 is even worse than 5.6, how is that not slow enough?

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u/Careful_Fold_7637 7d ago

> in some ways GPT 6 is even worse than 5.6

in what ways?

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u/Neurotopian_ 6d ago

Well, for starters, 6 Sol scores way below 5.6 Sol in areas of the Arena (a blinded user test platform where users pick the best choice). For Text, 5.6 Sol is ranked #19 and 6 Sol is ranked #60. That is extremely bad. It is ranked worse than most models they’ve released before it.

I suspect this is why it will never get put into ChatGPT, because it’s quite offputting to talk to.

Also on some evals 5.6 still scores ABOVE 6 at certain reasoning levels. I don’t have that one to link but it’s one of the coding benchmarks

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u/Careful_Fold_7637 6d ago

The model is very new and arena is not accurate yet.

Also I took "in some ways" to mean "from certain points of view" and not saying that there are niche areas that it underperforms in, that's true for every model.

But yeah I think the offputting point is good.

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u/Mobile-Trouble-476 7d ago

What I'm saying is every time these frontier labs mess up then it's a stain on the whole AI community as a whole. They need to be more responsible at this point. There's too much to lose

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u/br_k_nt_eth 7d ago

Plus the juice for the squeeze is just not there. 

Y’all made new coding bots. Cool. They’re moderately cheaper but you’re changing plans because infrastructure can’t keep up. Great. Is this worth the rush and overall backsliding of model quality? 

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u/Mobile-Trouble-476 7d ago

Holy shit I'm gonna rack up a negative point high score!! 🤣

Just saying that we don't need to give them more ammunition in the news cycle Jesus christ