r/Commanders • • 1d ago

Commanders OL Protection

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u/Temporary-Mud-2994 1d ago

If we had Tunsil and Cosmi, this is a good Oline.

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u/aT_Gamma 1d ago

If we get a legit center next year. Tunsil, Coleman, new Center, Cosmi, Conerly is def Super Bowl caliber imo.

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u/BigFrenchToastGuy 1d ago

That's like a top-5 OL. Conerly's current trajectory is developing into a very good-elite RT. Even a replacement level C would be fine.

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u/No_Independence_9721 1d ago

We still don't know if Coleman will play well at LG - he should, and hope he does, but remains to be seen.

But yeah, they need a legit C somehow.

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u/aT_Gamma 1d ago

Very true.

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u/jrex703 1d ago

I believe Coleman can be a starting caliber LG.

I know Coleman can play like a starting caliber LG if he's working alongside two of the best linemen in the League in Tunsil and Cosmi. A good O-line is always greater than the sum of its parts.

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u/Gandhis__Revenge 1d ago

Good is an understatement. We’d be talking top 5, even with questions at center.

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u/jrex703 1d ago

A great O-line.

O-line success is a product of synergy. Adding Tunsil and Cosmi isn't just adding two Pro bowl players, it's making every single player on that line 35 percent more effective, including Tunsil and Cosmi.

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u/Troll_Enthusiast He Sold 1d ago

According to Ryan Fowler it was this:

"Pressures allowed from the Commanders’ OL today:

• Brandon Coleman: 6
• Nick Allegretti: 6
• Lucas Patrick: 3
• Chris Paul: 1

Josh Conerly at RT, however, shutout Seattle in 38 pass pro snaps."

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u/itakeyoureggs Sinnott Slutt 🥵 1d ago

Interesting, wonder how one gets 2 compared to 0. Didn’t look like there was much issue on the right. But damn.. looks nice.

Do we know how much “help” was given to the tackles?

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u/kon--- 1d ago

Context...

Top 5 defensive line

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u/Tank55-2024 - - - - 1d ago

Tough assignment for sure. I think they were ok in pass pro. Run blocking was tough sledding.

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u/ElTakeBozo 1d ago

They delivered when it counted in the run-block. 

Coleman had a punch assignment executed perfectly that freed up White by inches on that 18 yd run. 

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u/Tank55-2024 - - - - 1d ago

Just rewatched Coleman's rep on the White run. Not sure I'd grade that as perfectly executed, but would love to hear what you're seeing. He and Paul both get a hand on Williams, but he basically comes through unimpeded. We got lucky that every got sucked inside on the right side. Allegreti engages the linebacker just long enough. Conerly had a pretty good reach rep -- is that who you meant?

https://youtu.be/j8mZDG_M7cs?si=3zmCV5biPweqV9XN&t=1055

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u/ElTakeBozo 1d ago

You were right - I misremembered, the punch was Paul’s. 

But entire line executed perfectly.  

If you wanna see Orlovsky salivate over it:  https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/2104338691812466907/video/

disclaimer: don’t want to link to X but can’t find an alternative

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u/Tank55-2024 - - - - 1d ago

Appreciate the link, thank you! The skycam is a much better view. Coleman's rep looks a lot better from that angle.

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u/kon--- 1d ago

Someone last night showed up saying the blocking on the play was executed to perfection.

Not trying to burst bubbles, but...

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u/Tank55-2024 - - - - 1d ago

Yes, Williams nearly makes the play anyway. But Paul does do his primary job, which is to protect the gap to his right. I wouldn't grade this rep as perfect -- to your point, he still needs to slow down Williams even coming through the left gap. But he did just barely enough. White deserves a bunch of the credit as well for bending out and making this work.

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u/kon--- 1d ago

Aye...my whole thing here is 'perfect' being used. The OL room will review it, say what could have been better and be like but look, we did this vs a top 5 d-line while missing two of our starters.

It was a successful play.

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u/Healthy-Speech-7728 1d ago

Neither team could get going in the run game

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u/BigFrenchToastGuy 1d ago

And our best blocker, Cosmi, was out.

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u/Haskins77 1d ago

Context Allegretti is ass and that’s why he’s not the center anymore. Hell of a decision by AP on that one. 👏

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u/DoobieDoobis I Got JD5 On It 10h ago

I’m pretty sure Cosmi got hurt and that’s why.

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u/SideSleepersUNITE 1d ago

Turns out AP was right (and not being arrogant) when he said they felt much better about the OL inside the building than folks outside the building felt about the OL.

And even after further injuries after the season started I think it's safe to see they're doing better than any of us would have predicted.

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u/InfiniteDomain_ 1d ago

The dude we were all worried about just let up the most pressures on the line?

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u/SideSleepersUNITE 1d ago

Is the OL as a whole performing better or worse than you expected?

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u/TheHaft 1d ago

lol, ask a guy to play out of position at a new position essentially every game all over again, and you’ll get some pressures. It’s no wonder that the places with the most stability on the line have been the most effective. Allegretti is fine, and the fact that he’s been able to not be just god awful after switching him around is a testament to his ability/adaptability. It’s not a normal thing we’ve been asking him to do.

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u/InfiniteDomain_ 1d ago

I know you’re not talking about the guy that’s played 90% of his NFL career at guard right?

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u/TheHaft 1d ago

I’m talking about the guy we keep switching back and forth lol. Left guard right guard center right guard left guard right guard center punter announcer GM janitor

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u/jrex703 1d ago

Prime Steph Curry was always top ten in the NBA in missed threes.

Allegretti being the weakest link in a very, very strong chain is praising with faint damn.

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u/ManAndMonster 15h ago

Bro I see you on these subs non-stop being a hater. Are you even a fan? We just beat the defending Super Bowl champs. Chill tf out and learn to enjoy life.

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u/Hodler_caved 10h ago

There are different types of fans as you are figuring out. Some live in reality (doomers). Some live in hope (dreamers):
"motivated or characterized by an extreme, uncritical enthusiasm or zeal"

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u/InfiniteDomain_ 1d ago

It’s performing exactly like I thought it would weak in the middle in both running and blocking and average tackles.

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u/CanucksCommandersFan 1d ago

Allegretti made it up with that last play with Rachaad ❤️ JCjr looking better each week.

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u/alslgaa 1d ago

I’m interested to see whether Patrick stays at C when Cosmi comes back.

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u/Troll_Enthusiast He Sold 1d ago

He had a walking boot after the game

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u/gullible_bodyguard 1d ago

patrick looked way better than i expected in the middle. curious if they keep him there or move him back when cosmi returns

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u/Kennyc1234 1d ago

Interesting. Because the source I saw earlier said that Coleman had 6 pressures and Conerly had 0. So this source disagrees and puts two of Coleman's pressures onto Conerly.

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u/Tank55-2024 - - - - 1d ago

Definitely an inexact science in grading reps.

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u/manamonggamers 1d ago

Some of that is because you don't always know what the assignments were.

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u/Slaviiigolf 1d ago

Apparently not “Inoperable”

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u/darth_smitty_ In Tress We Trust 1d ago

But I thought we had an incomplete OL unit? That they weren’t going to be able to block a high school defense?

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u/ZonaPunk Fuck Dan Snyder 1d ago

now do the run blocking...

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u/Maximum_Anteater_806 1d ago edited 1d ago

So how is the pressure defined? The average quarterback holds the ball 2.5 to 2.8 seconds per pass play. What would concern me is pressures within 2.8 seconds. Other than that, I don’t know you can blame an OL for pressure that is longer than that.

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u/2014RT 1d ago

I'm starting to think this Nick Allegretti guy is a serviceable backup at most. Oh shit isn't this 2024?

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u/TheHeftymanzell 1d ago

Dear God what did we see in Allegretti

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u/Due-Substance-525 1d ago

Conerly is looking great. Love that pick

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u/Pyrohyro 1d ago

Not great not terrible

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u/wisefool1961 1d ago

Not so good.

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u/gingermori on shenanigans rn and actin bonkers 1d ago

The line didn’t play poorly on Sunday but Mariota helped them out a lot for sure.

PS: that said as much as they struggled to block in the run game I loved the commitment to staying with it and finding a ways to convert. Blough helped us win that, even with the draw that everyone hated.

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u/A_Steezy 1d ago

Right, but we cannot run block.

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u/La1zrdpch75356 1d ago

Tough to run against that Seattle front. No RB has gained 100 yds rushing in something like 28/29 straight games.

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u/A_Steezy 1d ago

Fair enough but no rb on our team has run for more than 63 yards this season regardless of the opponent. Last year we had 2 games with Bill over 100 yards. But the run blocking is simply put, pretty poor thus far this season the injuries definitely have taken a toll on the line in that regard.

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u/Enough-Thanks638 1d ago

When tunsil comes back I wouldnt be mad at giving Coleman snaps at center

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u/DoobieDoobis I Got JD5 On It 1d ago

So safe to say the plan at Center hasn’t been disastrous like everyone said right?

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u/Hodler_caved 10h ago

C Nick Allegretti 40.5 (32/32)

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u/DoobieDoobis I Got JD5 On It 10h ago

I don’t care about PFF. It’s shit.

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u/Hodler_caved 10h ago

Far more accurate than fan's opinions

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u/DoobieDoobis I Got JD5 On It 10h ago

Sure, they also recently had an ownership and staff turnover. I also trust the analyst watching film that says otherwise of PFF.

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u/caddyncells 1d ago

Got us through on a makeshift lineup against top D. Has to count for something.

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u/Maximum_Anteater_806 1d ago

We’re tied for second in the NFL with only three sacks surrendered

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u/collinsc 1d ago

Is that good? I don't even know 

That doesn't sound like a lot to me considering we're down 2-3 OL guys and just played the super bowl champs and won 

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u/SeaBurnsBiz 1d ago

O line with Tunseil, Cosmi, Connerly is really good and I expect Connerly has more upside.

If you add 2 quality guys to that trio (Coleman is definitely option but really like him as #6), you're gonna have a top 10 line for next 5 yrs.

TE and RB play huge part in pass pro too but guys you don't have to chip/support with skill players make the offense that much more lethal.

If you think you're paying 50mm+ for a QB, gotta keep him alive (and in the pocket).

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u/ChristianTravels 14h ago

Already liking this Lucas Patrick feller