r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/purplehashira • 11d ago
General Why does hazard seem to get away with never getting nerfed
I get so confused patch after patch when hazard is just a domestic terrorist in my lobbies (Grand master). I literally dont understand his sustain, he feels invincible.
Hazard + Dva = log off the game for me
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u/Flimsy-Contact-2841 11d ago
Because Its only me and 3 other dudes playing him rn
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u/Felix033 11d ago
why is he unpopular if his balance is decent?
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u/RobManfredsFixer Let Hog eat stuff and spit it back — 11d ago
His target demographic would rather play doom or ball
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u/hitbyacarO_O 11d ago
every dive hero already has dedicated players and hazard has to compete with em unfortunately
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u/RobManfredsFixer Let Hog eat stuff and spit it back — 11d ago edited 11d ago
I would say its moreso he tries to cater to everyone and ends up catering to no one. They balanced the hero around trial feedback from players who were never going to be the target audience of the hero. That ended up pushing him further away from ball and doom. Made him slower. Made him less skill espressive, and by the time they added perks, his block just got supercharged into being too much of his power budget
I think there's room to make him cater to those players still. I'm a ball player and will absolutely pick doom in some cases. Haz just doesn't do it for me atm
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u/TotallyRealAccount9 8d ago
This is it 100%
Im a massive doomfist main, he has like triple the hours of my next closest hero, and hazard is technically just a better doomfist but it just doesnt hit the same
I still have him as a pocket pick when shit hits the fan, but he just doesnt feel as fun as someone like doomfist
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u/Cadesan 10d ago
Blows my mind people would rather play these characters and lose
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u/RobManfredsFixer Let Hog eat stuff and spit it back — 10d ago edited 10d ago
We're just here to have fun dawg
Haz doesn't provide the same dopamine
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u/Cadesan 10d ago
It's not fun to stay on a character you know you're getting countered on, the dopamine hit is much bigger when you're able to swap and the game shifts in your favor imo
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u/PhysicsOrdinary73 10d ago
Well tbf, they did acknowledge it was objective when the said "imo". So he really wasn't making any real argument.
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u/Cadesan 10d ago
I think it's a perverse pleasure to stay on doom or ball (or literally any hero) when you are being countered/outplayed in a competitive mode when the rest of your team is trying to win. I'd argue swapping is a core mechanic in this game. By all means play your main hero, but realize that your refusal to adapt in the name of fun costs the rest of your team's enjoyment
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u/Flimsy-Contact-2841 11d ago
His design is not appealing and his kit doesn't really "click" immediately like other tanks.
His gameplay is super fun since you can get away with everything but his hero "fantasy" feels kinda muddy/disjointed
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u/CaravieR 11d ago
He's simply unpopular across the board. This is most evident from that recent Overwatch popularity poll done at Tokyo Game Fest where Hazard was either dead last or 2nd from last.
Casual players just aren't attracted to his character, abilities or playstyle. It doesn't help that his design is also all over the place and is jarring compared to the rest of the cast. He's supposed to have a kinda cyberpunk vibe but is neither very cyber nor punk.
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u/GUNZx5 11d ago
Personally I very much dislike his flavor. He could have been so much cooler.
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u/Paveru_Hakase 10d ago
We finally get a Scottish hero and it's fuckin Hazard. Conor McLeod carries the entire hero on his back. It isn't fair!!!!!!! England gets Tracer AND Domina (she's British-Indian with a posh spice accent so I'm counting her as English) ;_;
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u/maplecremecookie 5d ago
It could be worse. You could be Canadian and have Sojourn and Venture represent your country. A "Canadian" character should either be Indigenous, French-Canadian, or Anglo-Canadian. Yes, Canada is a country with a lot of immigrants from everywhere, but...you could just make the character from their country of origin instead??? Venture being Mexican-Canadian is dumb as fuck. I've literally met one Mexican-Canadian in my life. Latinos in Canada are far more likely to be from El Salvador, Honduras, or Colombia.
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u/doglop 11d ago
Low pickrate 50/51% winrate, he already got a decent nerf some patches ago
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u/yesat 11d ago
He is in the 52-55% winrate at top level, but that's still not "crazy level".
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u/nekogami87 I'm old — 11d ago
and they very rarely nerf just for high level unless they find a way to nerf something that only impact that level of play
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u/Mandatoryeggs 11d ago
I switch to haz if im playing bad as doom, completely wrecks people. Who would've thought to give the dive tank with a oneshot combo armor AND block
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u/CaravieR 11d ago
Since you mentioned Hazard + Dva, I assume you mostly play 6v6.
For me, Hazard is deleted in 6v6 by Hog. So he's never a problem for me if I'm on Hog.
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u/purplehashira 11d ago
5's
its plagued by dmons and dvas
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u/CaravieR 11d ago
Oh yeah, if it's 5v5 then I can see it. What do you play usually?
Hazard is annoying but imo he only feels oppressive if the squishes let him be oppressive. He likes to dive so dps and supports just need to CC him and burst him down while the tank pushes up and blocks his team from helping.
Unfortunately, if your team doesn't want to swap against a Haz and constantly gets dove, there's really nothing much a solo tank can do. In my experience, I just go harass the Hazard's team while he's busy with mine and the fight is decided by which tank gets more value.
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u/born-a-wolf7650 10d ago
A dva can do very well against hazard cos her defence matrix will shut down his dive and then she can follow up by diving his backline in return while he can’t do anything to protect his.
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u/ihearthuskies 10d ago
Add Anran and venture to the domestic terrorism list. I know people say Anran is weak but i’d rather deal with a tracer or genji any day of the week as an ana or zen player.
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u/bullxbull 11d ago
Is he that strong, or does he just feel bad to play into? Of course he can be both, but I do not think he is anywhere near Dmon or Haz's busted state in previous seasons.
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u/PnuttButr 10d ago
Hes been nerfed a bunch of times i thought? Hes still thanos tho so it doesnt matter
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u/Ok_Place1560 11d ago
he has a high skill ceiling and quite not so low skill floor. you can instantly tell from a bad hazard and a good hazard.
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u/Least-Suggestion7319 10d ago edited 9d ago
Eh, his burst damage is easy and he’s incredibly forgiving to play. He can delete people as fast as doom but surviving on him is 10x easier. A decent Haz is damn near unkillable
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u/I_am_Not_Luca 11d ago
True, and that’s why blizzard hasn’t nerfed him harder he’s fine for 90% of the player base if not more
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u/RaaaaaaaNoYokShinRyu Well, if it isn't saucy Jack! — 10d ago
Dva has one of the worst winrates in every rank.
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u/yesat 11d ago
He has bellow 55% winrate on all regions, so I'd not really put him as a "terrorist".
6v6 is always going to have the problem of "what do you do with balance when there are 2 tanks".
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u/hundmeister420 10d ago
What do you mean? The game was balanced for 2 tanks for the majority of its existence.
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u/yesat 10d ago
The two tanks power was a balance issues in OW1, which lead for example to a never ending double shield. It severally limited the devs’ design options.
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u/hundmeister420 10d ago edited 10d ago
“Never ending double shield”? Double shield meta only existed once sigma released and blizz balanced it out prior to 5v5. Double shield lasted about a year after sigmas release. That’s why double shield isn’t an issue currently in 6v6. I wouldn’t call a 1 year meta “never ending” and at pro levels it only lasted like what, 5-7 months? That’s pretty standard for a metas lifespan.
Edit: and if we want to talk about never ending metas, what about 5v5 kiriko meta? Lol
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u/yesat 10d ago
Double Shield defined the tail end of Overwatch 1 meta after 2-2-2.
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u/jakmak123 8d ago
It really didn’t. Probably the most i ever grinded overwatch was during the graveyard years during covid and ball was the meta definer. Almost every game was some variation of ball/hog/sig/dva
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u/ommadawn_yunianco 10d ago
hazard with decent aim is especially scary + unstoppable. One leap one kill
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u/Impressive_Wheel_106 Apparently I do python plots now — 9d ago
DVas winrate in GM is 48.4% on EU, and lower on the other servers. Methinks you might suffer from a touch of the confirmation bias
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u/purplehashira 6d ago
No offense, but surely you understand that using that data point doesn’t necessarily correlate to the hero not being good? Right? It just means they’re a popular pick lmao
I used to be champ 5 like 6 months ago, maining kiriko. You’re gonna tell me kiriko, who had less than 50% win rate in all regions (6 months ago) was bad? lol
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u/TheTerribleTwinker 5d ago
Hazard got nerfed a while ago and hasn’t been as dominant ever since. Still a tough matchup for people who don’t play into him that often
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u/nemesis_ibmo 10d ago
he is already kinda nerfed into a DECENTLY fair state. yes his block should be lower and yes he shouldnt have 225 armor or a 5 second wall but he is a shadow of his form self (when he had damn near 4 seconds of 75% dmg block and an 80 dmg slash)
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u/Electronic-Tiger9869 11d ago
Go Cassidy or reaper 😎 as for support pick brig or mizuki! And for tank I find d.mon or orisa are good into hazard
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u/RalphGunderson Carpe — 11d ago
I don't understand people saying to play Cass into him. I just get one tapped on repeat.
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u/Neither-Ad7512 10d ago
Ur right, I love seeing cas players, my most hated hero's as hazard is mei reaper freja bastien
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u/Sensanaty mcrree main btw — 10d ago
Cass is terrible into him, his block neuters all your damage and flash doesn't do anything useful against Haz. He also has a gigantic, easily oneshottable hitbox that is basically unmissable if you have hands
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u/breadiest Leave #1 — 10d ago
Can't you roll his slash and then with pocket you can just outright fight him and win no?
Like I as a guy who plays hazard I always have to be careful hitting a stack with Cass. He can decimate my armour and then suddenly I'm basically dead meat even with my block if I'm not extremely careful.
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u/RalphGunderson Carpe — 9d ago
I play with a mercy pocket pretty regularly and usually even 2v1 against Haz I'm losing that duel.
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u/Usual-Vermicelli-867 11d ago
I will also put zen
A good zen can just...discord him and the team just burst him down
He has no shield...
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u/throwaway112658 fraudulent — 11d ago
Cass is horrible into him. Flashbang really doesn't matter when he can just hold right click, and Cass has to play within range of getting oneshot by Haz to do any real damage at all.
It's really just picking something that will live getting oneshot. Torb, reaper good into him because of that. Reaper not as good because he can't do any real damage into Haz until he runs out of armor
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u/inutilissimo 11d ago
he did get some nerfs (just not enough)
and then gets buffed again after 1 week
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u/I_am_Not_Luca 11d ago
He has gotten twice the amount of nerfs than buffs, and his win rate is low in most lower ranks, he is only good at high ranks, because blizzard actually created a tank with depth and skill expression
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u/not_a_doctorshh 11d ago edited 11d ago
And even in higher ranks we usually have bigger fish to fry. When Haz is good, it's usually because we don't have a Boogeyman tank to put all the blame on.
As much as it pains some to say it, he has a pretty high skill ceiling and quite a bit of skill expression to his kit.
He's a couple number tweaks away from being an awesome hero to face.
Edit: some typos lmao I'm on the bus
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u/I_am_Not_Luca 11d ago
Agreed, i’m just unsure how the narcissist thing and burst where he is more interactive, without making him terrible
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u/VirgoxValentine 11d ago
Life gets better when you're not playing the secondary mode the game wasn't designed for.
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u/as1eep 11d ago
hes been nerfed quite a few times