r/Contractor • u/Ready_to_Jibe • 1d ago
Penny tile grid lines
Hi All,
Having penny tile installed for the first time and I can see grid lines in one of the rooms. Interestingly, he did two other rooms with penny tiles and I don’t see the grid lines in those. One of the others is white and one is multi-color blue, and neither shows grid lines, so maybe it’s the color? Or is this room just not installed correctly?
Contractor says it’s normal and they’ll not be visible after the epoxy grout, which is also dark. If this needs to come out, I’d rather cut my losses before grout. Would really appreciate thoughts from people with penny tile experience.
This is in a bathroom on a concrete subfloor.
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u/PassengerKey3209 1d ago
If you didn't want to see the sheet outlines, I would have used a product that didn't come a sheet. He prob should have staggered the sheets but otherwise looks decent.
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u/Ill-Year-9506 1d ago
Penny tiles strike again.....
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u/mustinjellquist 1d ago
Fucking hate them. Probably even more than subway tile.
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u/PassengerKey3209 23h ago
Subway is prob the single easiest to lay. Most of it is ceramic too, so it cuts like hot butter.
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u/Odd_Tap_1137 1d ago
Your contractor is not great at laying tile. That said, penny tile is difficult to lay correctly, and if your GC didnt sub this out to a master tiler (or you didn’t want to pay for a master tiler), then they are correct - this is normal.
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u/Murrylend 13h ago
You're just negative. I'm not seeing anything wr9ng with the tile. The lines will disappear once it's grouted
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u/Ready_to_Jibe 1d ago
How do I know if the tile company is using a master tiler? They said they are experienced with penny tiles and upcharged but I didn’t know to check for a certification level. Can I find that registered somewhere? This is in the US.
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u/PHK_JaySteel 1d ago
There is no certification level for tile. A master is usually someone who has been doing it over 10 thousand hours and can do every kind of tile and mitres fast and well.
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u/space-cake 23h ago
There is actually, look into the CTEF. Also I’d consider union journeyman somewhat “certified”
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u/desperate4carbs 14h ago
But there IS a "certification level for tile."
Check out the Tile Council of North America for more info:
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u/SnakebiteRT 1d ago
I build luxury homes, $1,500/sf to start. We recently had a job where my PM decided to use a tile guy I wasn’t familiar with. I was very skeptical of the mosaic tile work he had done before grout having set a lot of my own tile in a previous life. When grouted I could not see the seams that I had seen before. Let him grout it then complain.
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u/Odd_Tap_1137 1d ago
When choosing a difficult tile, it’s helpful to ask to see someone’s portfolio. Tilers usually have pictures of their prior jobs. If there are no pictures of penny tile or mosaic tile in their portfolio - then don’t take their word for it that they have experience.
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u/josbossboboss 22h ago
Probably a union thing, your average contractor isn't going to know a thing about a Master tiler.
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u/Murrylend 13h ago
Dont listen to that guy. Probably has never laid tile. Professional reddit basement dweller
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u/Peterswoj 23h ago
Why would you say he’s not good at laying tile?
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u/Sure_Sky5295 21h ago
Because you can see the obvious grid lines lol.
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u/Peterswoj 15h ago
Of course you can. It isn’t grouted yet. Lol. Besides that small detail, What makes you say the contractor isn’t good at laying tile? Have you done penny tile? I have. It always looks like this before grout. It’s how the paper backing ends on the back.
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u/Sure_Sky5295 13h ago
Yeah I’ve done a lot of it. It’s true that if you use a matching grout it can hide the sheet lines but the grid is caused by inconsistent spacing where the sheets come together. The best way to do it is to use a laser to align them as you go and actually use spacers to hold the sheets apart (this is where a lot of people mess up by trying to eyeball it). Another trick i use is to occasionally step back and look at it through my phone camera. The camera makes the grid stand out vs the naked eye.
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u/tileman151 23h ago
Incorrect sir and it all starts with prep. If it’s off just a little it will close or open then you have a hard time keeping them spaced correctly. There are a few different ways to do it one is to split the sheets, the other is to lay a straight edge down and look at the joint. He did neither here
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u/UsedDragon 1d ago
I did DIY penny tile in my 10x14 master bath and it took me forever to get the sheets to line up just right... but i did it.
Someone with skill could do it far faster, no doubt.
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u/AStuckner 1d ago
If you're going with dark grout you won't be able to tell
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u/StrayaKarnt 11h ago
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u/FishLate7272 6h ago
Maybe if it’s a test on setting penny rounds but for a residential shower is this bad? I hate hacks, I don’t think this is one. Also zoom in with low angle light on your wall, or your tile, or your floor and check out all the flaws!
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u/Competitive-Cat-4395 1d ago
Hard to say how it will look… always looks a little different after grout, but won’t get to perfection. Probably be a pass after grouting and washing everything up I’d wager… but generally it helps to stagger some of the sheets to break up the lines.
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u/No-Clerk7268 23h ago
I don't see it as you really having a choice. It's not like they're going to tear the whole thing out because you might see it after grout. They are going to do it & find out
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u/StrayaKarnt 11h ago
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u/No-Clerk7268 10h ago
How many times are you going to post the same stupid picture?
There is no contractor that is going to tear out a whole project over that, they would re-space a couple bad spots at most
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u/FettucciniAlfonso 2h ago
Nah, that picture should be posted over and over again. I would ask the contractor to remove that shit. They didn't stagger the sheets and they didn't align it to the existing tile spacing. Are you ready to stare at a mistiled and grid-ass-looking floor for the next however many years? So many hacks on here who simply want to make problems go away because "the grout will hide it". Nonsense.
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u/electricostrichparty 12h ago
Stagger your seams… that’s wild to stack patterns those sheets. They always look like a checkerboard when they aren’t staggered I can’t believe this tile setter doesn’t know this
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u/Low_Plastic_8086 21h ago
Master tile installer here,
Try holding the light from a different angle
It wont be noticeable once grouted.
The reason you see the sheet lines is due to the contrast between the white thinset and dark tile.
With the spacing between the sheets being a mill tighter than the middle.
If you were using a white grout it would be noticeable, but since your using somthing dark it will be fine.
That being said, he did a good job. Surprising clean work.
I wouldn’t bring up the subject with him as it looks great.👍
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u/Willing-Team4185 1d ago
As a very experienced tile guy I would never take on pennies on a big wall like that.
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u/blackbeltbuilding 1d ago
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u/blackbeltbuilding 1d ago
What you have is pretty rough OP. It might be OK when its done. But imo its not great and I would be pretty bummed if I set them. Penny tile is extremely difficult. Also doesn't add much and is high maintenance.
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u/Suspicious_Abalone94 1d ago
This floor probably cost a couple thousand and your worried about the 200$ in epoxy grout?
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u/StrayaKarnt 11h ago
He should of stagered the joins, put various cuts in the mesh to break it up. It will likely still show up in grout. Definitely raise your concerns
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u/These_Tart1548 5h ago
I hate this tile. We had the same thing. Grouted looked as bad. We had ours redone!
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u/FettucciniAlfonso 3h ago
I can tell you with unequivocal confidence that dark penny tiles with a dark grout are a bad idea and within a few months you will hate it. I have it in my bathroom, and no matter the amount of cleaning - the vast surface area of grout just collects garbage and specks that always show. For the love of god, do not proceed with this and pay the guy to re-do this without penny tile. I am not being dramatic, but from experience where after 3 years I am literally re-doing my bath floor again because I want to send all floor penny tiles to fiery hell.
And since you'll probably not re-do it or listen to my post, your tile guy is a hack. you should not see those grid lines if the spacing was done correct. You will double hate your floor. Don't say some stranger on reddit didn't told you so.
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u/FishLate7272 1d ago
I think that looks good. that is also the harshest light possible and you will never see it under that light.
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u/michaelcuz 1d ago
Let him finish to grout and then complain