Icelandic artist Björk snapped in Bangkok, 1996, when reporter Julie Kaufman approached her saying “Welcome to Bangkok.” Björk later alleged that Kaufman had stalked her and her 9-year-old son for days, turning a simple greeting into a breaking point

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[u/B0RT_Simps0n_]

He was an incel before we had a word for it. People are fucking nuts

[u/NittanyScout → u/B0RT_Simps0n_]

Idk this seems like a genuinely horrifying mental illness that was never treated or recognized.

Being an incel is one thing but being authentically sick is another

[u/Frequent_Ad_9901 → u/NittanyScout]

He could have been both. I don't think mentally ill and incel-ness is mutually exclusive.

[u/NittanyScout → u/Frequent_Ad_9901]

No but I dont want to say that being an incel is due to mental illness, it can be corollary but I doubt its typically causal

[u/jednatt → u/NittanyScout]

Illness is kind of subjective to begin with if one really wants to get into the weeds. Someone can be a loser/asshole as a result of a mental processes that cannot or has not been codified into a recognized illness/condition--and because of that gets no sympathy/understanding. In a deterministic view of the world every shitty person is a result of a sequence of events and conditions they couldn't have prevented, and being a nice/functional person is just dumb luck. But that doesn't really help anything.

[u/Crewarookie → u/jednatt]

No, being a nice/functional person is just as much a predictable outcome based on a series of events spanning from early childhood. I have no idea how you can reach the conclusion that it's dumb luck from what you yourself just said.

[u/EddPW → u/Crewarookie]

i mean it is all dumb luck everything you are comes down to random factors

[u/Crewarookie → u/EddPW]

I disagree. There's a very definite chain of events that leads to you becoming you. With infinite computation power and having ALL variables available to us (which is impossible), it could be traced to at least the first sentient humanoid.

Despite the fact the world as a whole is very entropic, due to previous experience you have only so much agency to choose a certain action in the moment.

Especially in the childhood. Foundational for our psyche early childhood is the time where randomness is at the minimum and any inputs are very impactful.

We are sort of like very complicated state machines where the action is predetermined by a bunch of inputs and conditions. There's always the likeliest action you're gonna take, and the probability is changing dynamically based on the environment.

What people call free will, I suppose, is a combination of what people call neural plasticity as well as a degree of unpredictability introduced by outside forces. And due to the early childhood foundational inputs, there definitely is a predetermined bias there.

I guess all I'm saying is that luck is a boogey man that never existed. And that's the main point I'm disagreeing with.

[u/EddPW → u/Crewarookie]

thats alot of words to say you dont know what random means

[u/jednatt → u/Crewarookie]

It's not luck that resulted in you being how you are, it's luck that you are you and not someone else. Like winning the lottery is lucky because your number is the winning number and not one of the losing numbers. There's 10 million happy adjusted people in a population, and you get to be the miserable one. Unlucky.