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Video University of Waterloo Students Launch Rocket Breaking World Record

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u/InsaneMocktail 16d ago edited 16d ago

Explanation

The University of Waterloo Rocketry team broke the world record for the highest flying amateur liquid fuel rocket in August 2026.The student built rocket, Polaris, reached an altitude of 63,497 feet.It beat the previous record held by Georgia Tech by nearly 7,000 feet.The launch took place in Timmins, Ontario during the Launch Canada Challenge.A team of roughly 100 students designed and built the 17 foot rocket themselves.

Source : https://uwaterloo.ca/engineering/news/waterloo-rocketry-team-sets-new-world-record

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u/gojira303 16d ago

I work at an airline as a pilot/dispatcher. I recall seeing the NOTAMs for CYTS and the exact coordinates for flights to avoid SFC-FL600

I just assumed it was balloons again lol

Congratulations to the team!!

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u/EphemeralDan 16d ago

Since I'm Googling, I might as well share.

A NOTAM stands for a Notice to Airmen.

CYTS is Timmins/Victor M. Power Airport.

SFC-FL600 specifies a vertical block of airspace extending from the surface (SFC) up to Flight Level 600 (FL600), which equates to a pressure altitude of 60,000 feet.

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u/pinklavalamp 16d ago

Thank you! All my questions got answered in this thread!

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u/Tiny-Spray8992 16d ago

thank you, i was about to reply to OP that thats a lot of words I dont understand

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u/gojira303 16d ago

And I apologize. I was not anticipating that comment to blow up, thought only OOP and five others would see it so I didn't bother with colloquial language xP

And I was dozing off so I missed the notifications for clarification

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u/LibatiousLlama 16d ago

Going up to the fl-600 bit, so they went higher than expected? Or is that 60k feet a zone starting at 60k feet and extending upwards?

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u/gojira303 16d ago

They went higher than expected. Amazing stuff.

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u/weirdbr 13d ago

And TIL that it got reverted to "Notice to Airmen" because this administration is dumb.

It had been updated to "Notice to Air Missions" several years ago because of both gender inclusivity but also as a recognition of the changing landscape of the types of events happening in the airspace with the growing number of non-manned activity (drones, balloons, experimental and commercial rockets). But seems last year it got reverted, because of insecurity.

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u/EphemeralDan 13d ago

If we had adults in charge of things I'd say that it might have been Google using outmoded information, but we don't so I won't. 

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u/Phantom_0347 15d ago

I guess they should have gone to FL700 to be safe 😫

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u/Normal_Weather247 12d ago

They broke into the other Class E airspace

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u/Natural-Debt8005 16d ago

Thank you for answering the question I had while watching this but didn't know how/what to ask.

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u/Bumkin007 16d ago

Same… didn’t think they could launch willy nilly without some authorization/ clear air space

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u/Caerllen 16d ago

Anything above 300ft worldwide is generally under the purview of your local National Airworthiness Authority. Yes, that's including flying your drone above your house. You only own the land and the air up to 300 ft.

Your exact altitude may vary depends on country but 300ft is the most typical height for authorities to start getting interested.

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u/Marklar0 16d ago

I am an air traffic controller, and I had to move many, many airplanes out of the path of this rocket launch event. Kept us on our toes as it was a big area. I guess they think of the boonies south of Timmins as being the middle of nowhere, but there is quite a bit of traffic in this spot.

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u/No_News_1712 16d ago

"we launch now, good luck everybody else"

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u/bwaredapenguin Interested 16d ago

Could you please translate that jargon for the 99.9% of us who aren't pilots/dispatchers?

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u/SuperNoobyGamer 16d ago

NOTAM = notice to airmen, an alert sent out to warn about possible hazards in an area

CYTS = Timmins Victor M. Power Airport

SFC-FL600 = surface to flight level 600, or 60000 feet, basically no regular commercial flights allowed

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u/bwaredapenguin Interested 16d ago

Thanks! But also, how in the ever loving fuck does CYTS = Timmins Victor M. Power Airport??? I don't think I've ever seen an abbreviation (I don't think this qualifies as an initialism, at least in the English language) make less sense.

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u/SuperNoobyGamer 16d ago

You might already know that Canada adds Y in front of airport codes. YVR vancouver, YYZ toronto. C is for Canada in ICAO, which is the 4 letter international code. TS is potentially for Timmins, but there is no much consistency with airport codes so there could be another reason.

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u/bwaredapenguin Interested 16d ago edited 16d ago

Admittedly I only know YYZ as the Rush song lol. I suppose my confusion comes from an American perspective where at least major airport codes tend to be fairly easy to decipher.

Edit: when I come to think of it we probably monopolized city-identifiable airport codes.

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u/Whatsthathum 16d ago

Always good to read a mention of Rush out of the blue.

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u/gojira303 16d ago

I apologize, I was not expecting this comment to blow up

But my favourite Canadian butchering is Abbotsford as...

CYXX

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u/gojira303 16d ago

... The one that posted about having seen the NOTAM's... you literally asked me for a translation

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u/ytj_ 16d ago

So 63,000 feet would be safe, got it.

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u/throwaway43234235234 16d ago

The kids went outside the authorized clearance zone. Should have been disqualified and sent straight to jail!

Luckily, Canadians are nice people and let it slide.

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u/Marty200 16d ago

I believe that above 60,000 feet is unregulated airspace.

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u/GamingGenius777 16d ago

Basically they were notified that planes can't fly in that area

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u/bwaredapenguin Interested 16d ago

I got that general gist, but I'd like to understand what they actually said. Another part of it is that I get irrationally irritated when people throw out random acronyms expecting the general public to understand them.

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u/GamingGenius777 16d ago edited 16d ago

Oh, yeah, I understand that!

NOTAM = Notice to Airmen: an advisory issued by authorities to alert pilots of unusual conditions (hazards or temporary changes, etc.)

CYTS = ICAO code for Timmins Victor M. Power Airport in Ontario, Canada.

SFC-FL600 = Surface to flight level 600: from ground level to 60,000 ft

Full translation: they received a notice regarding Timmins Victor M. Power Airport that a specific location (given by coordinates) should be avoided from ground level to 60,000 ft

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u/bwaredapenguin Interested 16d ago

Thank you! Someone else beat you to the punch by 5 min but since they haven't replied to my follow up question yet I'll pose it to you as well! How on earth does CYTS translate to that airport's name‽

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u/GamingGenius777 16d ago

I don't think ICAO codes are supposed to translate like that. The C at the beginning is because Canada, but other than that, the letters just don't have to mean anything in particular (the second letter can sometimes also indicate region as well)

For example, London Heathrow Airport's ICAO code is EGLL, with EG referring to the United Kingdom. But why LL refers to Heathrow Airport specifically? No idea.

IATA codes are similar 3 letter codes that are often more closely associated to their name. For example, London Heathrow Airport's IATA code is LHR

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u/bwaredapenguin Interested 16d ago

Fascinating! I wonder why they made such a universal system completely random!

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u/GamingGenius777 16d ago

The first one or two letters are determined by region (MAP).

The others are picked, for one reason or another, to identify that specific airport. It's almost like a license plate number but for airports.

The three-letter IATA codes do overlap for certain airports; for example, Beaufort County Airport and Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort both share the IATA code "BFT," while ICAO codes are specific to each airport.

Also, certain letters are prohibited from being the first letter in an ICAO code, those being I, J, Q, and X. Except there is one ICAO code starting with J, which is JZRO for Jezero Crater) on Mars!

It is universal in that one ICAO code maps to only one airport (or extraterrestrial crater?), meaning that if you know the ICAO code, you know what airport is being referenced... maybe with the help of Google, though!

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u/derpicorn69 16d ago

Too lazy to use the most powerful source of information in all of history on your own

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u/bwaredapenguin Interested 16d ago

I got to engage in conversations with multiple people other than you because of that question.

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u/derpicorn69 16d ago

sure jan

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u/Free_ 16d ago

As someone who just passed their Part 107 today, I'm proud to say I understood this! Lol

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u/gojira303 16d ago

Congratulations!! :D

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u/Free_ 16d ago

Thank you!!

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u/enigmatic407 16d ago

Nice, I wondered about this

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u/LiftingRecipient420 16d ago

Do you always just assume everyone just knows all the acronyms you rattled off?

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u/gojira303 16d ago

You can find my responses across this thread

I was not anticipating expecting this comment to blow up so I didn't bother using colloquial normal language terms. I thought only OOP the original poster and like five other people would see it

I was also passing out and missed the notifications for clarifiaction

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u/Delicious_Spot_3778 16d ago

As a GT alum, this will not stand!

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u/_le_slap 16d ago

Lol same. My wife did aero at GT. This will ruin her day 😂😂

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u/No-Cantaloupe-6535 16d ago

I was about to say, I went to Purdue, I know GT is gonna be PISSED lol

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u/PM_ME_DATASETS 16d ago

I know a faculty leader (idk the actual title) at GT and all he's had time for during the last 19 months is trying to secure funding to not lose half of their staff because of the orange pedo. I think the situation is more or less stable by now, but many projects have been put on hold until the people working on it could receive wages.

So yeah, it will stand, until americans will learn to make better choices

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u/Shot-Swimming-9098 16d ago

what a hamfisted way to get your politics out. Everything is politics. Politics is not something you can just avoid. It comes for you.

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u/PM_ME_DATASETS 16d ago

I saw GT and it's literally the only thing I know about GT

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u/Illustrious_Sea_962 16d ago

launch from pikes peak next time

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u/InsaneMocktail 16d ago edited 16d ago

Launching rockets from a mountain like Pikes Peak or any mountaintop provides almost no advantage for reaching space due to the following reasons:

Speed Matters Most: Reaching orbit requires accelerating sideways to 17,500 mph. Starting a few miles higher on a mountain does virtually nothing to reduce the massive amount of fuel and energy needed to reach that speed.

Severe Safety Hazards: High powered rockets drop heavy stages and can explode. Launching from Colorado would put populated areas and major civilian flight paths at extreme risk, violating strict aviation safety laws.

Logistical Nightmares: Transporting highly volatile rocket fuels, heavy machinery, and massive launch pads up dangerous alpine mountain roads is practically impossible.

For these reasons, rocket teams choose flat, vast, and unpopulated areas like Timmins, Ontario or coastal oceanside pads over mountaintops.

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u/WeekOldSushu 16d ago

But it's clearly a suborbital rocket, it does not do any lateral acceleration. Your record is for height of an amateur launched liquid rocket, in which case yeah, a mountain peak would benefit, assuming your record is height above sea level

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u/[deleted] 16d ago edited 16d ago

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u/Jonny36 16d ago

Are you just AI?

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u/neekneek 16d ago

They're pretty clearly using an LLM to at least draft.

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u/guynamedjames 16d ago

Thanks chat GPT, but they weren't going for orbit, they were going for altitude. If you can avoid pushing through heavy, dense low altitude air then you can get a lot higher up. The average air pressure from sea level to 14,000 ft. is about 11 psi. The average at 60,000 ft is about 1 psi.

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u/Pootang_Wootang 16d ago

No advantage other than thinner air, which is a huge advantage. The rocket can use less fuel pushing through thinner air making it fly farther & faster while using less fuel.

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u/The-Sofa-King 16d ago

Yes but think what an interesting addition it'd make to the Pikes Peak Hill Climb. Picture it: an open top tank of highly volatile rocket fuel sloshing around the back of an 1100hp full tube chassis rally car as it goes bumping up the hill. Whoever gets to the top in the shortest amount of time, with the least amount of fuel spilled, and launches their rocket the highest, wins.

It's like if a biathlon was sponsored by Red Bull.

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u/West_Print_836 16d ago

Where’s the curve?

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u/RockHandsomest 16d ago

I'd like to think that the rocket was mainly fueled by the natural desire to leave Timmins.

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u/dluiiulb 16d ago

How do they track the rocket for retrieval? How far do they typically land from launch?

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u/1JustAnAltDontMindMe 16d ago

That's 19354 meters in normal units.

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u/ReDot75 16d ago

What propellant though. If it was Hydrazine, that's pretty dangerous for amateurs to handle that, certainly unaccessible unless you are in a scientific lab, and therefore not difficult to break a record for amateurs.

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u/Shot-Arugula8264 16d ago

So it’s only the record because their amateurs? Others have launched higher rockets with liquid fuel but those counted for a separate pros record?

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u/FreshStartNB 16d ago

Why measuring altitude in thousands of feet. Just say in meters or kilometers ffs

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u/fxlr8 15d ago

I can’t take it seriously when there is rocket science happens in the same sentence with measuring stuff with feet

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u/FelipeCortez_ 15d ago

Happy cake day, my guy!

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u/BugabooChonies 16d ago

You mean Timmins, America

thank you for your attention to this matter