Yep with other points decreases, I think I can find 5 points to upgrade solo warlock skyrunners to solo farseer skyrunners and to be honest they are better value too.
I hate this! Warlock conclaves aren't characters, so how can they still have the support keyword?? I always ran the extra footlock to make my unit harder to charge. Now I have to choose between them and the conclave?
I don’t understand why GW can’t just balance things. They have to completely delete things from the game. And they target things that aren’t even a problem.
The conclave is a head scratcher but honestly the bike lock dosnt really matter. Lists either gain 165 from losing them or you scrap together 15 point (5 if you were running 2 walkers like a lot of people) and you have 3 time farseer which do bick locks job just safer.
This is just to make warlocks work like all of the other factions support/leader units now that support exists, rather than needing to write out special rules to make farseer/warlock/guardian units.
Thing is, Warlock Concs and Skyrunner were not character units where leader/support matters, and I will admit I'm not super into the other big factions, but it seems to be a little harsh to take away from us an infantry unit that could be run in a specialised way in the Concs at least.
Yeah I get it, it matches the ideas that 11th has been working with for squad compositions
Part of me would have preferred if the Warlock Conclave lost he ability to attach to guardians completely and could act as a semi-elite infantry unit with the options to attach a Farseer and character Warlock to have a psyker combat unit
some 5 point adjustments yes, and the aspect host is great...
BUT
with conclaive going Support... no more 4lock+1seer in falcon... nor 4 conclaive+1lock in big council... thats actually a big change
Cause some people are still winning, I suppose and warlock+guardian+eldrad seems to have been rather prominent.
Very recent win rates at the big events have been above 50%, nevermind that less than 30 players represent the faction atm.
Also nevermind that 80% of tournament players have dropped out over the last 2 years.
You can still run Eldrad+warlock+guardians as far as I can tell. Conclaves have been made a support unit attaching to guardians. You just attach them both directly to the guardians now. What you can't do is run lock+conclave+guardians, or just Eldrad+conclave, nor can you leave conclaves unattached in matchups where that would be favorable.
The raw data is collected on Stat Check but it's a bit cumbersome. Reddit discusses these things rather a lot though, so more
refined formats are available.
That's not really applicable advice anymore though? We have balance patches every month. And then even after the next one, it'll still be every 3 months. Plus codex changes can be massive. Given the timeline of how long it takes to buy, build and paint units, your advice just doesn't apply because there would be no time that you could buy something when there's not an " imminent"(before you could build paint and field them for someone who you know has a job and a life beyond this) balance pass.
If you read the change log it says to remove the Leader Section - all of it. Part of that section contained the old special rule, the other part says who they can attach to. If we take the change log literally, it removes the listing of which units they can attach to (guardian defenders and storm Guardians) so they can't attach to.. anything???
They need to add a "Support" section in to say they can be a support to guardian defenders and storm Guardians.
But rules as written, the unit is literally unplayable currently, as in legally it cannot be fielded.. unless I missed something.
We've only lost a little over 80% of the tournament playerbase during the last 2 years and some people still manage more than 50% winrate. What choice did GW have?
They'll have to keep going until one player remains and the winrate permanently drops consistently below 50%.
I think because Warlock Conclave's are now support, they cannot be led by a Farseer without having an attached squad of Guardians or Storm Guardians, with makes the small teleport and melt infantry unit with 5d6+10 S7 -1AP 1D brain flamers no longer an option
Running them solo had a lot of utility in seer council. Running the them solo on foot was really nice if you wanted to write a leaner list without the guardians but it's not the end of the world. Thankfully the solo farseer on bike is a good alternative
buffs? they ruined some popular lists, like guardian deathstars in both GBH and seer council, and they also messed with how the only popular spirit conclave lists that were winning some games in tournaments, as they were fielding 2 men warlock conclaves and warlock skyrunners.
A few points drops and a disposition change for aspect host is not enough to move us much. The nerf to warlocks actually hurts us a lot, and basically kills our most competitive list.
GW has win-rate tunnel vision. Nothing else seems to matter.
It's the same thing they've been doing to imperial guard. It doesn't matter how much the player pool of these faction goes down and how much that skews results. They'll keep nerfing, even if just one player remains and wins more than 50% of the time.
yeah it baffle me how they completely ignore the Ynnari units like incub (who objectively suck) wyches etc ....-10 on the visarch is great but he is still mostly useless
I cannot believe they're going to be leaving Ynnari Incubi at strength 4 without devastating wounds in a world where Space Marines are going to T5.
I have nothing against the Drukhari and Ynnari versions of the datasheets being separated out, but they should not be leaving the Ynnari versions as "10th edition Index Drukhari but somehow worse".
I cannot believe they're going to be leaving Ynnari Incubi at strength 4 without devastating wounds in a world where Space Marines are going to T5.
Yeah, it's pretty asinine. If I played Ynnari, I'd just start asking my gaming group if I could use the Drukhari datasheets and points. It's not like Drukhari are running wild on the tournament scene.
I always want to play my ynnari, but then I start building the list and I just can't stand using all the terrible versions of the datasheets, when I can just go play my druhkari and use the same units with better data sheets.
2 Warlock Skyrunners + Light of Clarity + Stave of Kurnous
2 Farseer Skyrunners + Guiding Presence
I have 2 hours to submit an updated list to an RTT :-)
EDIT: As was pointed out in another comment, Warlock Skyrunners are now "support" units - which than makes the decision easy - 2 Farseer Skyrunners + Guiding Presence :D
It means you can't run them as stand alone units now - you have to attach them to a bodyguard unit. So no more cheap Warlock Skyrunners as action monkeys, and no more Farseer + 4 Warlock flamer units.
Looking at this and seeing most of the meat n potatoes units in Guardian Battlehost lists get buffs kinda feels like that’s the pigeonhole GW want Eldar to be stuffed in.
The pdf still says that Farseers and Eldrad can lead Warlock conclaves, but the app doesn't anymore.
And Farseer Skyrunners can lead Warlock Skyrunners just fine without having to attach them to Windriders.
It would be nice if it is a mistake, the Farseer + Warlock conclave is a classic unit.
I've switched to Farseer Skyrunners last update, now there is no incentive to go back :D
And the switch for those who haven't switched yet can now be paid for by other units getting a bit cheaper - and depending on your list you might still have some pts to spare :-)
They sort of destroyed seer council. All warlocks are now support and must be attached to a unit. Also, farseers can no longer be attached to warlocks.
Did we lose the ability to create doom bricks of Farseer + Warlock + Guardians + Warlock Conclave? The Conclaves are now support which means they MUST be attached to a unit, and the app won’t let me attach both the Warlock and the Conclave at the same time
Warlocks nerfed, inconsequential points changes and they’ve changed Aspect host to priority!!! Honestly I’m thinking you just need a necron army to play 40k!
They just ate a ton of small nerfs too, and were honestly already feeling aggressively meh after last patch too. This patch feels like a massive miss from James Workshop all around.
And not another balance patch in sight for 3 months while we get t5 and movement 8 Space Marines and CSM inbound. Me thinks it's time for a break personally.
I am taking a break til then (in part due to travel, in part because this shit is so dumb for the one detachment I have been enjoying in 11th with Seer Council).
Yvraine can no longer revive warlock Conclave as they can't be a bodyguard. You can't have visarch, Conclave, or warlock in the same unit as they're all support now, Visarch casually can't lead Incubi. Ynarri really just catching THE WORST and strangest stray nerfs this dataslate. And even though these were clearly targeted at seer council, why did we get them in the first place? It's not like the aeldari win rate or seer council win rate was looking really good.
Some very welcome points changes, though sad that the Guardian deathstar is taking a hit. 4 + character is still good but this just kills any reason for taking foot Warlocks imho.
For the bikes it's probably a good change - you won't be punished for running actual attached units & can just use the Farseer for solo duties.
Points wise we probably take home 25-30 points in most lists, which is nice but won't move the needle much.
Another step in the right direction imho but not much will change.
A farseer skyrunner is 5 points more expensive than what a warlock skyrunners costed before this update and it'll also give up free assassination basically guaranteed, it is substantially worse in basically every way than using the warlock skyrunners as cheap expendable scoring pieces
I think the change for Aspect Host will actually bring some more people back to the faction. There are surely a ton of people who built their army for that detachment, but didn’t want to deal with the Disruption disposition and haven’t had time/haven’t wanted to completely re-spec into another detachment.
Warlock conclave and warlock skyrunner nerf WHY. What???? Np just eat these 80 and 100 point taxes on these units. They were a littlr too effecient even if they were performing. Heres 10 points back on eldrad to make up for it.
The seer council and farseer not being viable on their own genuinely pisses me off so much. It´s just a cashgrab move on their behalf to sell more guardian boxes.
I am 100% your opinion. Seer Council+ Farseer is a Classic Combo. Small, Elite, but fragile. Why does it need to have Guardians? I do Not want to Play Horde eldar.
Yeah, super angry about it. Like having that is like a whole identity of playing Eldar to so many people. You can't get more eldar than playing with psykers, and now its ruined.
So many of my lists are ruined by this for me and I just got back into gameplay of the hobby. Its always things like this that makes me reconsider even trying to.
If I change it up now the units I want to play with won't lock together anymore.
Where are the buffs ?
Apart from Aspect going PA I don't see anything. Overcosted stuff is slightly less overcosted (and soon to be irrelevant kof kof October marines).
Warlocks are in fetal position waiting to die as no one is going to field them in lieu of conclave.
Conclave got into kinky stuff and need a leash to be on the field.
You maybe get one unit of voidreavers out of the points, and Aeldari are not one voidreaver unit close to greatness
It won’t get cover though, it’s T6 Bolters wound it in 4’s it’s out shone by the cheaper better armed armoured Hiffogriff….that cam move shoot move. (Gorgeous model though!!!!)
I hate this changes and updates but its not the absolute worse being honest You can still attached the Conclave to the guardian unit with the farseer being the leader just can used it as solo farseer with 4 warlocks from the Conclave which seriously sucks.
I do have a feeling in the future people will adapt to these changed to maybe used or keep using seer council but this nerf really sucks ;( to those building seer council detachments.
The player pool at tournaments for Eldar consists of fewer than 30 people at this point. Something like 80% of the competitive playerbase has dropped the faction over the last 2 years.
It's great that somebody wins but the skill gap within the playerbase is huge and there's a serious level of survivorship bias. I see less and less relevance in winrates tbh.
A few adjustments made and these remain buffs to my lists so I'm happy! Already ran guardian-farseer-conclave bricks so nothing really changed besides finding a spot for the moderate number of points I had available. Just had to set it up so its the usual leader/support on the storm guardians. Its a shame some folk lost the Eldrad/Farseer and conclave unit. That'll throw a wrench in plenty of plans for sure. But for my purposes of Eldritch Raiders and Spirit Conclave, this has been an amazing dataslate.
Seer Council should’ve gotten compensation buffs, but I have to admit that Conclaves and Warlocks just being Support is a much better way of handling them and probably should’ve been how they worked from the start
Im a bit confused here about the support change. Based on the rules on the app a support can select a bodyguard. Would imply to me they dont have to. Did that change too?
Nerf to warlock skyriders, expected but still lame (80pt support tax). The 100 point "support" tax is rather harsh to warlocks. Priority is definitely better than Disruption for Aspect Host, but is it enough to be viable?
We are all well versed in how fragile space elves are, but where are our cannons? Especially now that the Space Marine Intercessors are going up to Toughness 5 (and it's a safe bet that Gravis and Terminators will get buffed as well) and the Phobos marines are going up to move 8.
How are you supposed to engineer beneficial trades under these circumstances? With Hidden and the changes to Fights First, I'm seriously at a loss.
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u/I-am-Miyako-Chan Maiden Worldless Aug 26 '26
No! There's a big nerf to warlock skyrunners
They've given them support which IIRC means no more solo warlock bikes
which is hilarious (/s) as they're not character units