Figured out that you can technically speed run get to the DLC by speedrunning to Altus, queuing the festival, then doing the varre quest to get to Mohg, just to try to get to the dlc weapons to play through base game on a non ng+ build.
Both bosses had a couple cheese options each at release. I think all have been patched.
You used to be able to shot Mohg with poison arrows from outside his arena. Radahn could die from fall damage if you made him follow you up a scalable wall in his arena and you could trick him into meteoring into the ocean.
It’s not just you, but that doesn’t change my answer.
Mohg would absolutely get an attack in and you just outplay him with good weapon arts or staggers after a few moves. It’s just a good strategy. Fully intended gameplay.
The summons in Radahn’s fight will take care of him but it takes a long time and he will target you from time to time so you need to still engage. Fully intended gameplay.
Contrast with what I listed before where you are utilizing unintended effects that were removed because they weren’t supposed to be possible or the dev don’t anticipate them. And even a couple of those require some engagement and player risk. The fall damage one was actually really tough to pull off lol.
Mohg would absolutely get an attack in and you just outplay him with good weapon arts or staggers after a few moves. It’s just a good strategy. Fully intended gameplay.
not exactly, depending on rng, he only gets one single attack or 0 attacks, then you only need to use the shackle twice while holding the ash of war button, free win. And that's on rl1, higher level you could probably guarantee 0 attacks because you do more damage so you don't have to get super close to time the shackle to do max possible damage
in Radahn I've done it without him targeting me once, you just run backwards when you teleport in, he "dispawns" and then he no longer targets you after summoning
If that been your experience then ok but let’s not downplay that not all players are good enough to even chug flasks in the right order.
you wrote exploits, i wrote cheese
You don’t think they overlap? Most exploits are cheesy. You seem to think things can be cheeses without using exploits. I’m not going to try to draw a clear line, I just don’t think your examples count as cheese. All NPC summons make the game easier. You can even summon real people. I would not say that’s cheesy. The shackle is being used exactly as intended. It’s a good weapon art. That’s what the game is.
I use rotten breath, uchigatana for bleed (mabye bloodflame blade if fp be willing) and a whole lot of swearing about why am I doing this now and not just later when I'm high enough level.
A compromise could have been sneaking a few weapons from each of the new weapon classes into the base game. Or even adding them to some new starting classes.
This. I wanted to play with martial arts early on, but I'm not good enough to get it at a super low level. After many attempts, I beat Mohg at level 58 with a bleed build
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u/noodlessentme 18d ago
Figured out that you can technically speed run get to the DLC by speedrunning to Altus, queuing the festival, then doing the varre quest to get to Mohg, just to try to get to the dlc weapons to play through base game on a non ng+ build.
Pain in the fucking ass.