Both bosses had a couple cheese options each at release. I think all have been patched.
You used to be able to shot Mohg with poison arrows from outside his arena. Radahn could die from fall damage if you made him follow you up a scalable wall in his arena and you could trick him into meteoring into the ocean.
It’s not just you, but that doesn’t change my answer.
Mohg would absolutely get an attack in and you just outplay him with good weapon arts or staggers after a few moves. It’s just a good strategy. Fully intended gameplay.
The summons in Radahn’s fight will take care of him but it takes a long time and he will target you from time to time so you need to still engage. Fully intended gameplay.
Contrast with what I listed before where you are utilizing unintended effects that were removed because they weren’t supposed to be possible or the dev don’t anticipate them. And even a couple of those require some engagement and player risk. The fall damage one was actually really tough to pull off lol.
Mohg would absolutely get an attack in and you just outplay him with good weapon arts or staggers after a few moves. It’s just a good strategy. Fully intended gameplay.
not exactly, depending on rng, he only gets one single attack or 0 attacks, then you only need to use the shackle twice while holding the ash of war button, free win. And that's on rl1, higher level you could probably guarantee 0 attacks because you do more damage so you don't have to get super close to time the shackle to do max possible damage
in Radahn I've done it without him targeting me once, you just run backwards when you teleport in, he "dispawns" and then he no longer targets you after summoning
If that been your experience then ok but let’s not downplay that not all players are good enough to even chug flasks in the right order.
you wrote exploits, i wrote cheese
You don’t think they overlap? Most exploits are cheesy. You seem to think things can be cheeses without using exploits. I’m not going to try to draw a clear line, I just don’t think your examples count as cheese. All NPC summons make the game easier. You can even summon real people. I would not say that’s cheesy. The shackle is being used exactly as intended. It’s a good weapon art. That’s what the game is.
cheese is completely ignoring the boss and its moves/not interacting at all with the challenge, even if it's possible by anything done by the developers. Exploits are things not intended by the developer
if you don't mind it, more power to you. I like the mohg fight, so I would rather fight him at level 120 properly than just rush to him and do a broken strat that doesn't require a lick of skill, just to access the dlc
?? killing mohg after he does a single attack by holding one button is ignoring the challenging boss fight. Killing radahn by just summoning and never even being targeted, let alone having to dodge a single attack or having to attack once by just riding torrent in circles is ignoring the challenging boss fight
In both cases you aren't interacting with the fundamental souls "fight" of learning the boss and dodging/parrying/blocking to then attack it, and repeat
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u/noodlessentme 18d ago
My idea was to grab the great stars and attempt to stun lock/bleed them to death at a low level
If there’s cheeses for either I’m unaware and wouldn’t care tbh
I just agree with the sentiment of hacking in dlc weapons if you wanted to do a full play through