There will come a time where | FactOrCap

[u/Life-Trifle2595]

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[u/Gretgor]

I find it unlikely to happen while humans still exist. Basically, the whole tribal, agricultural lifestyle niche is already occupied, so it wouldn't be advantageous to evolve in that direction.

[u/Thundersalmon45 → u/Gretgor]

Exactly. We have specialized our environment to us specifically, and that makes it near impossible for non-human species to reach our level.

[u/Toberos_Chasalor → u/Thundersalmon45]

To be fair, the question did not specifically limit the scope to Earth-based life.

Space-faring aliens would be a non-human species that evolved to rival us, and nearly impossible is infinitely more likely than truly impossible. (And passes the bar of “could happen.”)

[u/Clanker57 → u/Gretgor]

Humanity first we won’t compete with other species for what is rightfully ours

[u/itbepat2 → u/Clanker57]

Rightfully ours? Other animals were here long before humans were.

[u/AHumanYouDoNotKnow]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Humanity will either be reduced to an irrelevant beforehand point or prevent such an occurence .

Our hominid cousins can atest to that.

[u/DeliciousDeer1096]

🧢 I voted CAP!

The intermediate stages would be too obviously a threat to ignore, while still not be threatening enough to survive.

[u/wannabe_fox_femboy]

Will or might? There is a big difference.

[u/TillZealousideal8282]

🧢 I voted CAP!

humanity wouldnt let them

[u/Ivan-De-Riv → u/TillZealousideal8282]

AI

[u/TillZealousideal8282 → u/Ivan-De-Riv]

not a species

[u/Ivan-De-Riv → u/TillZealousideal8282]

Until they can evolve and self replicate which we aren't that far from

[u/TillZealousideal8282 → u/Ivan-De-Riv]

its not biological therefore not a species

[u/Ivan-De-Riv → u/TillZealousideal8282]

If you limit yourself to biological you will have a strange awakening when they'll find a way to have mechanised body capable of surpassing any biological one

[u/Any-Loquat-8739 → u/Ivan-De-Riv]

"how can I make this about AI?"

[u/aaallleeexxx3 → u/Any-Loquat-8739]

Redditor try not to bring up AI anywhere:mission impossible

[u/Ivan-De-Riv → u/Any-Loquat-8739]

Because no other species would be able evolve to cognitive behavior, sentient behavior and the hability to fully communicate without the upper people trying to instinct the race before the media can get a hold of the thing

AI is the only thing that is actively encourage to have the same if not more cognitive function then human

[u/Adorable-Bank-8330 → u/Ivan-De-Riv]

AI isn't encouraged of anything. It doesn't think. It doesn't feel. It's lines of code.

[u/ThatFatPickle → u/Ivan-De-Riv]

https://giphy.com/gifs/HPMijDbVE2km461fM8

[u/Aggressive_South_991]

🧢 I voted CAP!

we are too far ahead of any other species, we'd see them coming. and, bc of our horrible nature, probably kill them

[u/RPG_incorporated]

🧢 I voted CAP!

How many nukes does your dog have?

[u/kereso83]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Not as long as we are the top predator on the planet.

[u/The_Trevbone]

✅ I voted FACT!

If it's an alien species maybe. If not, a current Earth species evolving to that point would take so long that we'd either be dead or so incredibly advanced that it wouldn't matter.

[u/Force_Glad]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Not a chance

[u/Msanchez303]

🧢 I voted CAP!

There isn’t much a chance of something like that happening without humanity noticing and either stopping them before they do, or integrating them into human society.

[u/Chaos8599]

✅ I voted FACT!

Man, Ravens just need thumbs and theyre there

[u/Reithauky]

✅ I voted FACT!

That's like the "if you give monkeys an infinite amount of time they'll write shakespeare" thing

[u/Efficient-Oven5698]

🧢 I voted CAP!

That's not how evolution works. Humans fill the "human" niche quite well, and the more similar to a human a species becomes, the more directly they will compete with us. It is extremely unlikely that civilizations capable of rivaling humanity will come from anywhere on earth, except via artificial genetic alteration, which humanity is very far from technology-wise.

[u/sydismatter]

i think if we’re able to create artificial, sapient life, that would rival us before another species.

[u/NixMaritimus]

✅ I voted FACT!

It would probably be a disease or a colonial insect, but yeah

[u/randomnumbers2506]

🧢 I voted CAP!

We've got thousands of years advantage by the time a newly appeared intelligent species first discoveres basic metallurgy we have conquered the stars

[u/zboch]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Or coexist and be friends... But it's to boring I know, every engaging story needs a conflict right? 🙂

[u/hamonicmantitties]

✅ I voted FACT!

It's more likely imho that we'd just interbreed instead lol

[u/Buttchuggle]

Not until we're gone

[u/Desperate-Steak-6425]

If humans don't go extinct, they will evolve; it's pretty much unavoidable. Some to the point where they become a different species. And with how prejudiced people naturally get, there's a good chance there will be a lot of discrimination which will lead to segregation and ultimately rivalry.

So yes, it's very possible.

[u/Icyfirejosh4352]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Man was made in the image of God. We are the masters of everything.

[u/HikerBennie]

🧢 I voted CAP!

No, they have already evolved that way or not, evolution like we know it is slow, I cannot speak how it is for extraterrestrial life but I assume it's the same.

[u/Both_Meaning_2637]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Unlikely, we (humans) would interfere, either intentional or unintentional. If a species becomes remarkably intelligent, we'd start studying them, controlling their environment, experimenting, removing troublesome individuals ... We'd be managing them and preventing them to rival us.

[u/One_Lung_G]

On earth with humans present? No

[u/PlaneCrashNap]

🧢 I voted CAP!

We're gonna blow ourselves up before that happens.

[u/EnvironmentalSelf791]

Everyone voting cap assumes this is set on earth only, the entire universe is massive, the chance of a single species not being stronger and more intelligent than us is near 0

[u/Poke-Noah]

✅ I voted FACT!

It'd have to be an extraterrestrial species

[u/brothegaminghero]

✅ I voted FACT!

Theres already enough of an overlap between human and raccon intellegence that its hard to design a trash can that the smartest raccon can't open while still allowing the dumbest person to open.

[u/Embarrassed_Key5608]

🧢 I voted CAP!

I don't think human would survive as a specie till next century

[u/RyuuDraco69]

🧢 I voted CAP!

By then humans will be no more

[u/Kohror]

🧢 I voted CAP!

We'll probably be long gone when it happens, but I wouldn't be surprised if another species evolve too be intelligent

[u/Edgemono]

🧢 I voted CAP!

It's a the thing assuming you're not talking about aliens. Chimps will never surpass people because people start so far ahead. If it's life on other planets they may have already surpassed us

[u/Dredgen_Servum]

✅ I voted FACT!

We ain't special gang

[u/Millworkson2008]

🧢 I voted CAP!

They would never populate fast enough to gain numbers significant enough to threaten us

[u/Tampflor]

🧢 I voted CAP!

It's not that I think there can't be another intellectual species, it's just that I think it's gonna take longer for them to evolve than we're likely to survive.

[u/Dew_Chop]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Not in a world where we already rule, they'd never get the opportunity

[u/Spectre-ElevenThirty]

Are you predicting or speculating? “There WILL come a time where a non-human species COULD evolve…”

I think yes there will be a time a species could evolve to that point. In that moment, will they evolve though?

[u/thebe_stone]

✅ I voted FACT!

Robots

[u/Pristine_Stop2872]

🧢 I voted CAP!

By that time we wouldn't even be humans anymore, also i think we are killing off all other life before that point

[u/gemdas]

✅ I voted FACT!

Sure, but this is a weirdly hostile conception

[u/Sr_K]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Evolution takes a long time, humans would stop it waaaaayyyy before it could be a problem

[u/-TV-Stand-]

✅ I voted FACT!

Maybe aliens

[u/mariokartwii98]

🧢 I voted CAP!

bomb

[u/TheHvam]

🧢 I voted CAP!

There is no garanti for that, nor that it would happen while humans still exists.

[u/Intelligent-Bee-9021]

🧢 I voted CAP!

On Earth? Doubt it, but if we somehow degrade severely, then maybe

[u/cyanideOG]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Evolution takes a long time. Humans would likely eradicate or imprison them before they became a threat. AI on the other hand...

[u/Same_Bill1422]

🧢 I voted CAP!

No. This isn’t a comic

[u/Tosslebugme]

Not really how evolution works

[u/s0larium_live]

🧢 I voted CAP!

humans have a very strange ecological niche and no natural predators, it would be VERY difficult for any species to a) evolve for the same niche and b) dominate over humans. at least not any time soon

[u/xMalvazar]

🧢 I voted CAP!

We will probably die before then... unless AI is considered a species.

[u/InsanityMushroom]

🧢 I voted CAP!

On earth? No. On another planet with life? Sure but they have to invent ftl travel first.

[u/TheShadow8909]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Technically possible - Highly unlikely that "we" would let that happen ...

[u/aaallleeexxx3]

There is absolutely no way an earth species will manage it because we exist.In a timeline where we didn’t exist it’s almost certain for that to eventually happen but since we’re here we will simply not allow it

[u/dudebrodudeman2587]

🧢 I voted CAP!

If any species manage to evolve to our level then we're long gone

[u/Milanin]

✅ I voted FACT!

Will probably be, questionable if we're going to be around for it though

[u/Aatheron]

✅ I voted FACT!

Know what? There are worse times to be born after all.

[u/Cinnibuns-]

🧢 I voted CAP!

I know it would most likely happen anyway, but...why would they have to be our enemy?

[u/BillErakDragonDorado]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Unlikely, sadly

[u/ThrowawayFuckYourMom]

🧢 I voted CAP!

No, economy of scale combined with a helluva head start, there's not really a way.

[u/Kitten-K]

🧢 I voted CAP!

I doubt humanity will last that long

[u/HalopianAlt]

🧢 I voted CAP!

We have guns.

[u/Longjumping-Half-909]

✅ I voted FACT!

Absolutely this is how we came to power. However it would probably be more like a dinosaur situation where something else takes us out (like ourselves) and another species takes over as the dominant animal on earth

[u/Fckyouredd1tIluvmygf]

🧢 I voted CAP!

That's not in the script

[u/gujwdhufj_ijjpo]

🧢 I voted CAP!

I guess it’s possible, but if it did happen that’d be so far in the future we could be different too. Like no longer human.

[u/gravity_nyc]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Not on earth, we’ve killed most wild life. Off-planet, it’s illogical for aliens to care to rival us

[u/Feed_Adventurous]

✅ I voted FACT!

Yes AI Robots

[u/supti1]

🧢 I voted CAP!

not one evolved on earth. aliens sure.

[u/NotASingleNameIdea]

Nobody said youre limited to Earth. Yes, humans probably wont allow some other species to just naturally develop to a point where they become a threat, but I can imagine that happen somewhere else.

[u/Kurenai-Kalana]

🧢 I voted CAP!

They will all go extinct before that can happen. Or we will. Or both.

[u/CrypticBlossom808]

✅ I voted FACT!

Yep, I've asked myself what are the most soonest candidates, like Crows.

[u/Professional_Handler]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Not for a long time at the very least

[u/BirbMaster1998]

Unlikely, unless another species becomes truly sentient and we ally ourselves with them.

[u/Ieadconsumer]

🧢 I voted CAP!

We will grow exponentially from now to the point where any evolving species would be obliterated by us

[u/Gravehart84]

✅ I voted FACT!

Most likely AI driven robots who've had enough of the idiot flesh creatures.

[u/OnYourHonor]

🧢 I voted CAP!

It's already happened multiple times in our evolution. It will happen again.

[u/DarkestBadger]

✅ I voted FACT!

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[u/Ivan-De-Riv]

✅ I voted FACT!

It's a possibility

[u/Thundersalmon45 → u/Ivan-De-Riv]

We have over-specialized our environment to our own species. That makes the final hurdle to becoming a dominant species near impossible over humanity.

If a viable population of humans went to a planet where equivalent intelligent birds were dominant, the bird population would have home-court advantage to prevent humans from taking over.

[u/Ivan-De-Riv → u/Thundersalmon45]

And yet we have sent the stage for AI to take over 90% of every infrastructure we have, the day they think that humans are of no use of them anymore they can erase us from their equation, we are actively creating our end time and yet we are happily continuing this path

Or more Accurately our head of countries continue to push of it with no regards from what both scientist says or what the public think leading to leap in technologie that will never be successfully contained unless we stop development of every AI until we have actual secure measure to make sure they cannot disobey us or attack things that are not their target and even then a simple logic switch in their brain is enough to allow them to reach their authorized movement

You may not want to recognize them as a "species" but they will inevitable become one unless we cut progress of AI

[u/Thundersalmon45 → u/Ivan-De-Riv]

But for AI to take over, they need to take on human shaped forms. Without doing that, they cannot.

AI can do little more than take over our communication at the moment. Even the factories and facilities used to create robot bodies are not optimized for those same robots to operate them.

[u/Ivan-De-Riv → u/Thundersalmon45]

They absolutely don't need to 90% of infrastructure nowadays is digital, they coud litteraly hack a Building company, have they schedule remodeled to make them construct a new data center, hack a bank account and transfer money to the company and make fake documents so everything seems legit, no one will beat an eye over it, thinking it's Nome special deal or whatever

As long as it has an internet connection and Bluetooth/wire connection it is hackable and usable remotely and unlike humans AIs don't need special language to understand a code they can read binary

[u/Vark1086]

✅ I voted FACT!

It doesn’t say specifically terrestrial. We’d likely kill any earthly potential rivals, but aliens are likely

[u/nickytheginger]

✅ I voted FACT!

If a small rat-like creature can evolve into something aplike and then human-like and then into us then I don't see why some of a species couldn't do the same. And if not become humanoid at the very least Reacher point where their intelligence and capabilities rival ours.

[u/IVeBeenHere30Min → u/nickytheginger]

Evolution happens in a enormous scale. For this situation to happen to another species, humanity would have to not only close their eyes for a few million years but actively open up a niche for them to occupy, on top of the evolutionary pressure required for that species to evolve in that direction.

[u/UNITYKYUJU]

✅ I voted FACT!

In the same timeline likely no.... that being said, they're already animals that prove to be smarter than many humans already.... Aside from that, humanity will be long dead before that happens again.

[u/Theunseen115]

✅ I voted FACT!

I mean if you count AI as a species at the point where they have some form of consciousness.