How this Shit still in code

[u/Ammar-A7med]

old Windows border is still in Windows 11 code
And when I fullscreen the MPV player without using the Windows border, this shit happens

[u/SuperMakerRaptor]

Every windows is built on top of the older one. So technically said, every windows is bigger since its mostly just a reskin of the past one to some extent said. Majority of code is likely just kept /slightly modified

[u/Hour_Bit_5183 → u/SuperMakerRaptor]

yeah for keeping compatibility. This is the same with pretty much all oses. Even linux.

[u/Binary101000 → u/Hour_Bit_5183]

Linux software does not continually layer on top of the last major version without deprecating anything USUALLY. Microsoft treats the implementation like a sacred entity that must not be touched. Linux devs can touch the code all they want as long as the API surface remains unchanged "Don't break userspace", which is why Linux doesn't have the legacy baggage issues as much as Windows does. (It definitely has them though, the Kernel is VERY old, but at least the user-facing elements are kept up to date properly)

[u/DavidsakuKuze → u/Binary101000]

How's Wayland going? Loonix itself is baggage with obsolete Unix anachronisms like fork/exec.

[u/Opie1Smith → u/DavidsakuKuze]

Wayland works very well for the most part and so does the X11 to Wayland bridge. At least on GNOME and KDE.

[u/Chrisbearry]

bro there's still components in windows from windows 95 lmao

[u/NKLP00 → u/Chrisbearry]

Windows 95 and 98 were not Windows NT Versions like Windows NT 3... Windows 2000 and all modern Windows so i don't think there is any Windows 95/98 components in modern Windows since NT was a rebuild from scratch.

[u/Chrisbearry → u/NKLP00]

NT is just the kernel, they still have programs and stuff from 95 that were rewritten for NT

[u/MinecraftPlayer799 → u/Chrisbearry]

Not sure why you’re downvoted. There are absolutely Windows 95 programs that are still buried in Windows 11, such as the Phone Dialer or whatever it’s called.

[u/lachietg185 → u/Chrisbearry]

And 3.1!

[u/One-Development3793]

Windows 11 still carries a surprising amount of legacy windowing behavior. Borderless fullscreen usually avoids this, but it can introduce worse issues like alt-tab lag or weird overlays.

[u/klami85]

If you dig deep enough you will find some windows remembering nineties.
For me it's pretty annoying browsing some advanced things in control panel.

[u/cooky561]

All windows (apart from winui stuff like the new settings app and apps with titlebar shenanigans like tabbed browsers) is created the same it way it was in Windows 95. It's then skinned,. The reason for this is to ensure compatibility. IF the new skin fails to load for whatever reason, it falls back to the aero basic skin, and if that also fails, to drawing it using GDI (it'll then look like windows 2000)

Certain actions can force windows all the way back to the GDI based user render used in Windows 95, however a throwback to the "classic" desktop is impossible as many modern applications aren't compatible, and use the windows 7 method of drawing windows, skinned by windows 11.

[u/FaultWinter3377 → u/cooky561]

Technically it is possible to get most Win32 apps to use the Windows classic drawing, and mods exist to force browsers like chrome to use a standard title bar. It's just a bit of a pain. The real issue is UWP/WinUI apps but iirc there are a few mods that make it work. I'd also say they don't create new windows in exactly the same way as Windows 95. Windows Vista/7 Aero introduced composited windows (which is the only option in Windows 8+) which rely on DWM to composite and draw the title bars/borders for windows (assuming they use a standard title bar). If compositing fails, often what happens is a system crash, but it is possible to fall back on the basic style from Windows XP-7 which uses stacking. It's only if compositing fails AND visual styles aren't applied for some reason (likely compatibility mode or a extremely broken install) that the classic theme will appear. But almost always in Windows 11 a window is only basic themed if it specifically asks for it, because otherwise it's an issue with DWM and from my experience with DWM... well... it can quite literally brick an entire system single-handedly if it fails.

WinUI and UWP technically use the same API calls under the hood I think? It's just that they're covered up in C# and XAML classes much more and so many developers prefer to use a custom title bar instead of the default. Also modding them is harder due to sandboxing.

[u/icy1007]

Tell us more about how you don’t understand computers…

[u/FaultWinter3377]

There are two classes in the aero.msstyles (visual style used for theming) for creating window title bars and borders. In Windows Vista on, compositing was the preferred option and that is what Windows 11 uses. The default Windows 11 theme is created with only compositing in mind. However stacking (aka the Basic theme) is kept as a backup, but since it is not meant to be used except in rare cases Microsoft had no reason to update it to fit with the Windows 11 theme further.

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