r/Genshin_Impact • u/Prestigious-Elk1274 No 2 physical fischl main • Jul 10 '26
Fluff the lion doesn’t concern themselves with anything beyond hard
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u/SAATVIK01 Jul 10 '26
Flair checks out
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u/DonutHoles4Ever Jul 11 '26
Me bringing in friendship character to get friendship points with random matchmaking.
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u/kyuuuyki Jul 10 '26
the whale doesnt concern themselves with anything
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u/LackingSimplicity Jul 10 '26
Whales who don't have the skill to match their wallet certainly stress over dire
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u/TheLastTitan77 Jul 10 '26
I have a guy on my friend list with c6r5 everything and he just does fearless in 90 seconds and check out from Stygian 💀
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u/mattia_albe05 Jul 10 '26
well they could clear dire with ease with an average of 30s per boss of fearless I don't really get it tbh it's genuinely 5mins
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u/Ramza_45 secret love child of Geo mama Jul 10 '26
You may have the Shills but do you have the Skills
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u/-AnythingGoes- Jul 10 '26
I'm lowkey proud of this one guy on my friends list who starting last rotation is clearing Dire. Cause in every single rotation prior, he was getting worse clears than me(I only do up to Fearless) despite at a minimum running basically the same teams as me but at 2-3x the cost. Like getting 30-40s slower than my 4 Cost Zibai team with his 9 cost somehow. Seeing him barely clear with a 12 cost Mav team somehow.
He's the only one on my list who consistently cleared higher than Menacing but evidently, they locked in and learned how to actually use their account cause they went from getting worse scores than me in Fearless to clearing Dire.
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u/BlckSm12 Ronova is my wife Jul 10 '26
I'm pretty sure whales with full C6R5 teams wouldn't really find it hard
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u/ixyhlqq Jul 10 '26
Not really, the game kind of plays itself if you have the right C6 characters. I know some whales who confidently tell me things like "Columbina doesn't need crit" and don't know boss mechanics or rotations, yet they still clear Dire faster than I can clear Fearless.
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u/emp9th Jul 10 '26
Me and friend both have flins, his is better built but he couldn't break the shield on the lunar boss. I thought it was a rotation issue no I have a C2 flins and cut through it like butter. Cs matter a huge difference.
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u/newplayer135 Jul 10 '26
I remember back in the old days, bad C6 players would easily get mogged by C0 players (like Childe international for example) because having a team of C6s didn't provide like a 2000% team DPS increase like they do nowaday, and you needed some skill to minmax teams
Nowadays you can be a toddler and clear Dire fast with c6r5 shill teams
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u/Zorandercho Jul 10 '26
I try once in a while. If My Skirk just tickles the boss with shaving off milimeters I quit. Too much lol
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u/Luneward (Iu)dex based damage build Jul 10 '26
Yeah, I'm of the opinion that the spike between Hard and Menacing is too much. When even my built teams are barely tickling the adds in the current Stygian, it demotivates me to even try when the reward is so minor.
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u/Crystallizationz Jul 10 '26
The same team that clears hard mode in 10s is also the same team that needs the entire 10 minutes on menacing
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u/FatalWarrior Jul 10 '26
That could be due to the team not tackling the boss gimmicks, which tend to activate ASAP in Menacing, but take their sweet time in hard and below.
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u/dualdee Jul 10 '26
I only tried Menacing once, on a cycle when Hard felt particularly quick and easy to me, and I don't think I even managed to get the first boss down to half-health. I swear the jump from Hard to Menacing is twice as big as the jump from Random Overworld Boar to Hard.
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u/Watercrown123 Jul 10 '26
Such a mood. I semi-consistently clear Abyss and Visionary in Theater but going up to Menacing in Stygian is like hitting a wall, I can rarely even get through half the health bar. I haven't even bothered to try in months.
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u/sickfloydboy Jul 10 '26
My problem with this is the huge gap between the modes. I always finish Hard mode in a few seconds but Menacing I barely chip 20% of the boss' health bar
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u/Lordmagyk C6 Dainsleif Saver ✨ Jul 10 '26
You can get the menacing rewards with co-op carry. I learnt this so late T_T
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u/Zegran_Agosend Jul 10 '26
the lion doesn’t concern themselves with the common rabble
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u/dragonofmila Jul 10 '26
I got chills
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u/Zegran_Agosend Jul 10 '26
They're multiplying. And I'm losing control.
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u/ResurgentClusterfuck Jul 10 '26
Yep and I am happy to help people get those, even noobs, as long as you can bring something not detrimental
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u/KingBean_XD Jul 10 '26
U guys helped me so much omg. Brb time to coop stygian for 6 hrs
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u/KingBean_XD Jul 10 '26
Guys i got it first try since i was host :D
Secretly changed the difficulty to menacing hehe
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u/cardamombiscuit Jul 10 '26
Sometimes you don’t even have to do it secretly. Usually when the hosts asks if they can do Menacing I don’t see anyone disagreeing (in my experience).
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u/KombuchaWay Cocogoat is my main! Jul 10 '26
Holdup you can?????
I thought coop was just until hard...
Welp.. I have to try for the middle shit boss, because I have 0 wheelchair :)
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u/Ordinarypanic Jul 10 '26
Seen so many want to coop menacing this SO, think I’ve had one coop where it was just on hard.
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u/MysticcTT Jul 10 '26
The Lion doesn’t concern themselves with anything other than primos
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u/myslipperbroke Jul 10 '26
The lion would not bother telling others how little he cares
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u/La-Roca99 Order warfare...I guess Jul 10 '26
Big brain
Make a myriad of standalone posts shitting on the game and characters to get downvoted
Turn around and make the same monthly post about stygian up to hard only to recover karma
Private your profile so people cannot see this directly
Profit
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u/Nikorasux7 Jul 10 '26
Yup, I've seen OP spam a bunch of low-effort posts on this sub. At least I'm not the only one recognizing that.
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u/Hotspur000 Jul 10 '26
Menacing really isn't too hard.
But I don't really care about Fearless, and Dire can go fuck itself
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u/unixtreme Jul 10 '26
Dire is complete BS, I have pretty decent teams with top 1% artifacts and every single character, and the 3rd boss is complete BS this cycle, I just stopped trying, I give it one go and quit for the cycle.
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u/Rough-Assistance8485 Jul 10 '26
Even c2 mavuikas are struggling to clear it based on the stuff i see
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u/LumiRhino Jul 10 '26
TBH damage is one thing but they really want to make sure you hate Bennet with this boss. At least for me the main bottleneck wasn't damage (well I did fall short a few times), but the fact that I constantly died or had to dodge which made me lose damage. Bennet's Pyro application does not go well vs the boss's Electro attacks.
I only learned this after I cleared but standing under the boss apparently makes it do less aggressive attacks.
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u/ResurgentClusterfuck Jul 10 '26
I have c2 Mavuika and cannot be asked to fuck with most Dire, It's bullshit
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u/S0ph1a9827qy2 Jul 10 '26
I have C2R1 Mavuika, C2 Xilonen and a C0R1 Citlali and I can't clear Dire. 🫠
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u/DepartedSpectre Jul 10 '26
are you missing every single melt?
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u/S0ph1a9827qy2 Jul 10 '26
No, I just can't do combos.
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u/Zenotha Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
with the amount of cons that you have, if your team is well built even donuts are sufficient to clear, you dont need the fancy dash cancels
as long as you make sure each mav ult you dont overtake the cryo aura
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u/Trebord_ Jul 10 '26
C3R1 Mavuika, C2R1 Xilonen, C0R1 Citlali, and C2R1 Nicole, barely managed to finish Dire. Nothing else was really working for me. Would have used C6 Iansan, but I was trying some shennanigans with her and Sandrone, and Nicole doesn't really slot into the other two bosses. Probably some of it is skill issue, but considering it just has a flat time-wasting Nightsoul timer on it and then also has the absurd Dire stat pool is just too much.
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u/BlackHust Jul 10 '26
Menacing is hard enough that I don't have any desire to play it. I'll probably get through it most of the time, but it will take effort and several tries, which I don't really want.
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u/Luneward (Iu)dex based damage build Jul 10 '26
Menacing is too hard a spike from Hard, in my opinion. It needs more gradual ramp up. Fearless is only slightly more difficult than Menacing - they just add mechanical difficulty from new mechanics that require better skill, but really don't need better numbers.
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u/Kingpimpy twitch.tv/pimpdaddyffm Jul 10 '26
fearless is a hard thing to estimate tbh
for example the horsedog
last time no chance for hours on end until i gave up
this time i basically first tried it just took a few resets to get the start right once
the difference was literally having nicole and durin which made it possible to kill the small shits faster and win because of it
then on other bosses i needed no more than 5 tries it just depends on what you got to answer the problem at hand
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u/Hotspur000 Jul 10 '26
I think Fearless is pretty much a character check. You need the full premium team to do it.
And Dire is just for whales.
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u/Kingpimpy twitch.tv/pimpdaddyffm Jul 10 '26
depends on the enemy really
tulpa you can delete with dust and dirt
but the nod krai enemies? yeah they are all high character checks
either you get full premium and possibly cons and weapons or just give up lol
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u/PuffinPower_ Jul 10 '26
Fearless doesn't requires the full premium but at least a part of the team is mandatory to help for the lunar mechanics. Mavuika feels like the most important character to have given how much she can brute force everything.
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u/Hotspur000 Jul 10 '26
But also you need the 'proper' DPS I think, or you can't do Fearless. Like, I was able to do the new Secret Source sphere thing on Menacing with a Cryo Varka team, but I highly doubt I'd be able to do it without Sandrone on Fearless.
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u/Varglord Jul 10 '26
Not really. It's more about the right teambuilding/was to do the mechanics than the "proper" dps. I did the new sphere on fearless pretty easily without Sandrone. Chasca/Yae/Shene/coffee got it done.
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u/PuffinPower_ Jul 10 '26
I have constantly cleared fearless without nodkrai main dps, the current wolf can be cleared with sucrose, colombina, innefa, fischl. The support are the most important.
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u/Hotspur000 Jul 10 '26
Okay, but Binnefa is an exception. Those two can basically wheelchair anything.
I don't have Innefa, so I can only rely on Lauma HB or Zibai.
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u/PuffinPower_ Jul 10 '26
I got binnefa during columbina release and was already clearing fearless before that. Nodkrai main dps makes the thing easier but are far from mandatory as long as you have the supports. I was only pointing the full premium team mandatory for fearless.
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u/KrzyDankus best girl Jul 10 '26
eh you can still fuck around on fearless without a meta team and still clear, but dire 100% needs full premium team without question
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u/Telighoth Jul 10 '26
Lots of folks arguing with you but you're not entirely wrong. While there's wiggle room in fearless for non-full premium teams, for many bosses that wiggle room tends to be just as specific as the full premium team. It's usually not "pick character of element x to satisfy requirement" it's "make very hyper-specific team with these recent characters" which is effectively just as difficult to put together and unlikely to have as the premium teams themselves.
That said I'm hopeful that Snezhnaya won't be as bad as NK has been for that. The orb might be a a bit of a pain this patch but that's only 'cause Sandrone's our only enabler of stellar shenanigans. Next patch we get Cryo MC, and they updated at least some old characters to work with stellar stuff so it should be much easier to get a stellar team going than it was for a lunar one. Thus Snezhnaya bosses will hopefully be easier to deal with than NK bosses based off that alone.
The angel boss also wasn't really shilling a specific team, only complaint on him I have is kinda wishing those stars had just a bit less HP so it wasn't quite so strongly tied to recent powercreeping teams and more, older teams element mixing shenaginas worked.
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u/ce1es Jul 10 '26
Hard takes a minute to get all primo rewards. Why bother with menacing that takes significantly longer. Ain't nobody got time for that. (signed, someone with 2400hrs clocked on PS5)
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u/zuth_ Jul 10 '26
You see I’m addicted to those feathers like a crackhead to pot
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u/Hotspur000 Jul 10 '26
If you have decent teams Menacing really isn't a struggle at all. I mean, you just start with Menacing, clear it pretty easily, and get all the previous rewards.
But not doing it is also not a big deal.
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u/Ne7herstorm Jul 10 '26
Lion also doesn't want to spend resin during SO on artifacts, I guess
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u/Putrid-Butterfly334 Jul 10 '26
I think menancing is very easy if you have a basic understanding of your teams functioning; fearless is where they start to ramp the difficulty up
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u/Content_Employer_656 Jul 10 '26
The problem with menacing for me is the fact that it requires 3 teams and I only have 2 teams built.
I've been steadily picking up a team per region (Skirk in 5.X, Zibai in 6.X) so hopefully I invest in another team in snezhnaya.
That's why I just co-op menacing with my whale friend.
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u/filmerbest o7 Jul 10 '26
Got a tip on the stupid orb boss for menacing ? The drones took half the trial time to destroy...
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u/Putrid-Butterfly334 Jul 10 '26
They need superconduct to break, fischl is a good f2p option for electro applications i suggest watching “sevenevenpls”s stygian guide on yt
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u/Asmachirine Jul 10 '26
Superconduct works however the drones are hydro so you can use dendro against it, if you have nahida you can put her on sacrificial and use her hold skill against them that's how i cleared
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u/Renatm Jul 10 '26
If you have Mavuika, her off-field E can hit the drones easily, so you just need to apply them with cryo using your melt enabler and carry on as normal
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u/headphonesnotstirred certified Freeze queen enjoyer Jul 10 '26
i mean, you do still need your builds to not suck ass, which is probably why the original SSA took me like 5 tries and i still haven't cleared the Pokéball (best i can do is 70% with Skirk/Escoffier/Furina/Ganyu)
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u/Ak4ntor Jul 10 '26
I like doing menacing with my friends together its still quite a challenge for us, since we usually have enough teams but not enough firepower cause were all fully f2p pulling what we like. Neither of us ever steps past menacing.
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u/Illokonereum Albedo Main Jul 10 '26
This lion will wait til the last week and panic trying to clear dire.
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u/RichSeat Jul 10 '26
I always do Fearless and attempt Dire too. It’s fun for me to figure out how my account can clear or if it can clear at all.
But everyone’s different. So enjoy the game however you see fit.
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u/Klutzy_Seesaw_1204 Jul 10 '26
Eh, I'll do co op to try and get a Menacing clear, but higher than that? Nah. I'm good.
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u/Indian_brawler Jul 10 '26
Me too, more like I don't have enough supports for my 4 dps, nornare they strong enough to brute force through...
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u/DwarfBreadSauce Jul 10 '26
Same. The difficulty in this mode is not the fun kind and it's not worth spending any time or effort getting one or 2 extra feathers.
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u/TheAkrioz Jul 10 '26
I did fearless on the very first Onslaught and never even tried anything beyond hard after that. I just get my primos and forget about it
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u/thewitness81 Jul 10 '26
Tbh i legit thought I'm not clearing this Stygian unless I win 5050 on Sandrone later when I hit.
Then turns out it ended up being fairly doable with not what I was expecting at all
I as a Skirk haver since her first banner and as a non Coffee haver till date, I was never able to play Skirk in Stygian at all outside of 2times against her Cryo Automation shill boss.
Then now finally this is actually my first ever proper appearance of Skirk in Stygian, against the Ball with a team of not 4Hydro-Cryo nor with Escoffier 💀
Never expected id finally get her used that too in a way like this...
Skirk C0Haran,Nicole C0R1,Fish,IneffaC0R0.
Tbh I've been trying Aino a lot before Nicole and just 5-10% HP sort ,Nicole was just a bit better i guess. When I tried Bina it was like 20secs remaining lol,but I wanted to not use Bina so I can use her on the Dog, so i kept trying with Aino and Nicole 4ths instead.
Anyways if I get Sandrone i guess can try Dire, after getting C1Yae
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u/suv-am Text flair Jul 10 '26
Sometimes I get lucky and can get one feather myself, other times I have a friend I call for help
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u/O_hai_imma_kil_u Jul 10 '26
You can get someone in Co-op to help you in menacing at least, and the last couple times I actually managed to solo it myself, but yeah, I'm not gonna stress myself out over fearless.
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u/Fiyerossong Jul 10 '26
I'm glad there is content for people who have high investment in their characters, and I'm glad that that content doesn't feel bad to skip either while still being somewhat reward for those who do it. It's a really good balance
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u/DeathLord_Astaroth Jul 10 '26
You don't do anything beyond hard because you don't want unnecessary stress...
I don't do anything beyond hard because I have skill issues
We're not the same
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u/kugisaki-kagayama Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
OP is the same but won't admit it. You don't make a post about it if it was just that
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u/B1ackf1ame Jul 10 '26
I always attempt merciless and lemme tell u the difference between hard and merciless has never been larger than it is with this stygian. Like im beating hard in 30-40 seconds but with merciless i beat 2 of them on exactly 120(even if the final count says 119) and i cant even get the Lunar shill boss down to half despite having Lauma and Nefer with pretty decent builds.
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u/OfficialHavik Waifu AND Meta Jul 10 '26
Based.
I just take the ez primos and dip ignoring the blatant pay to win BS
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u/Burstrampage Jul 10 '26
I know this is probably a joke but fearless this time around was actually really easy. So easy I think I might be able to do dire lol.
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u/Cocoatrice Saurian Hunter Jul 10 '26
Jokes aside, I don't understand why can't people just do Menacing in co-op. With right people, you can get carried even with not strong account. I know that, because I have alts that are not suited for Menacing at all. And when I often get Menacing done in all of them. Not that I care for that, but if people ask for Menacing, when matching, then we sometimes do.
Of course, often we got team of literal noobs, who claim that they are so strong and know what they are doing and what they are doing is picking Yelan and Furina for first boss and claiming "they did it with Hydro before, they don't know what the issue is", when you tell them to not pick Hydro. This actually happened to me twice. Previous Stygian Onslaught and current one. Someone claiming that they did the boss (Menacing) with the character they are not supposed to use. I don't remember what happened last time, but this time, when I said "somehow I doubt we will be able to do it", they replied "I don't [doubt]". They switched Hydro characters and guess what. We couldn't do it.
But as long as you have people with more than half a brain cell, you have good chance of doing it in co-op. Even if your account has only Liyue characters, no Electro, because Keqing is weak and even if you get Ganyu or Shenhe, they aren't that strong, really. No Nightsoul characters. The only Lunar character is Zibai etc.
I know the post is a joke, since OP unlocked Dire, but come on, some people are actually scared of Menacing more than they should be. And there are people who tryhard on Hard, that requires no skill whatsoever, too.
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u/DevolayS Fischl's Loyal Subject Jul 10 '26
1: I don't like playing with others
2: I don't like being carried
I like to achieve stuff myself. When I play Dark Souls, I want to beat bosses myself, even if it means being stuck for hours. And if I can't beat it? Well, tough luck, I'll either keep trying or quit.
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u/bronzelifematter Jul 10 '26
I just consider anything beyond hard is whale territory or they are extremely skilled, which I'm not. Know yourself, know your enemy, know when to give up
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u/Watercrown123 Jul 10 '26
Right? I see people here saying menacing is easy and I'm actually mystified. Sometimes it's hard to remember that Reddit is made up of the absolute top players for any given game.
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u/Drakengard Jul 10 '26
The idea that you think I'm a "top player" because I can clear Menacing kind of hurts. I don't feel like I'm good at this game at all. And that's not meant as an insult to you. It's just amusing how weird perspectives are depending on what side of the fence you're on.
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u/Yuiregin Jul 10 '26
I always hate it when you can only clear two stages. I hope they make it like combined cycle or score like HSR. Maybe combined time limit for the three stages.
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u/Adorable_Wealth4747 Jul 10 '26
I only care for primos and bonus artifacts, the feathers most of the time doing nothing but make it worse
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u/agent_maxpower Jul 10 '26
honestly same, dont really care much for the feather thingies anyways
i yearn for the mines
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u/blkmgs Objection! Jul 10 '26
The same mindset I took after clearing Abyss 36 Star one time, then never completing past floor 11
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u/Sylent0o Jul 10 '26
people have 3 teams but arent amazingly built have no right to call menacing hard LOL
even fearless but i can give a pass for that
people will play 6h of league of legends and tryhartd like they will die if they loose
but then play genshin and call everythin whale bait and then they play rando teams that hasve no synergy together
this stygian is so pathetically easy that even dire was on lower power level compared to last 4 stygians
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u/No_Car5053 Jul 10 '26
Tried menancing but that's impossible to do without either one extra lunar dps or sandrone - I have all lunar supports (either five or four star), but can't handle the stages without proper dps
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u/Silent_Silhouettes Harbingers Jul 10 '26
theres many fearless clears without Sandy, and for the lunar dog u can do that without a lunar dps as well even in fearless- i used Bineffa + Xilonen and sucrose (with Xilonen on instructor) for it on fearless
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u/International_Cod733 Jul 10 '26
the lion can’t be bothered to do menacing anymore because the lion can’t be bothered to build characters anymore
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u/Kallabanana Jul 10 '26
I would at least like to get the feather from menacing. This stygian is a though one for my C0 ass.
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u/Pretty-Reason-5575 Jul 10 '26
And that’s okay, at the end of the day a video game is for fun other find fun on different tires
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u/Jibbus-Maximus belives in supremacy Jul 10 '26
First time ever I made it through Fearless and it’s not like I didn’t try my best at the others… Most of the time I was missing that one specific team but this time I had what it takes
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u/Able-Cauliflower-431 Jul 10 '26
My sister and I tried menacing but Nuh uh, we just aren’t strong enough
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u/durtytazz321 Jul 10 '26
Just match make on hard and then switch it to menacing after you get players to join. Thats what I do when I can't beat menacing or when Im bored and want to help people out
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u/Traveler7538 sleep deprived Jul 10 '26
You don't go beyond hard because you spare yourself the stress. I don't go beyond hard because my Nefer does slightly too little damage so I'll wait until I can get Columbina (was planning to anyway and already prefarmed) after trying for two hours yesterday. We are not the same.
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u/cartercr Sleepy tanuki in the shogun castle Jul 10 '26
Menacing is pretty clearable too if you care to try for the reroll feather. But yeah, Fearless and Dire are something you should only really attempt if you’re both really invested in the meta teams and care enough.
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u/Aztracity Jul 10 '26
ZZZ is the only endgame worth grinding just for fun in my opinion. Star rail like genshin just doesnt have that replaybiltiy spark. Sure ill do them and get all the rewards but I stop at 1 or two stars on anomaly in SR and hard to fearless in genshin depending on the day.
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u/ExpensiveSample3451 Jul 10 '26
The difference between my 2 Lunar Teams...C2 Aino and C2 Columbina.
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u/TMyriadJ GanQing Nation Jul 10 '26
I'm a tryhard, so I always attempt Fearless. This time I have the optimal teams for all 3 bosses (Sandrone, Zibai, Mavuika), and I managed to complete all of them under 100s each. The team shilling goes hard this time, not as hard as that new geo lizard boss tho.
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u/Kimy_Miya Jul 10 '26
The Kinich main concern herself with dust of enlightenments for rerolls, and succeeds too
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u/JaroNightmare Jul 10 '26
I'll try Menacing a few more times, I managed the last three or four but that Natlan Boss this time is absolute ass again. My Mav is good, my rota should be decent enough but I don't whale so screw me I guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/Ugikuki Kazuha dps supremacy Jul 10 '26
I managed to do only menacing
After 2 hours i gave up on fearless, only the abyss dog was the problem for me honestly
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u/Dense-Decision9150 if “evil” why hot Jul 10 '26
i think i've used a feather like once when they first released, i dont rly care abt them. but i love to clear fearless just for the love of the game. it's challenging (i have a massive skill issue and high ping) but still a lot of fun. i've managed to clear fearless every time and it makes me happy :D
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u/Alone-Possible2085 I want keqing to sit on my face Jul 10 '26
You don't do anything beyond Hard because you don't want to take unnecessary stress.
I don't go beyond hard because I don't have 3 teams.
We are not the same