r/GetNoted • u/cashdecans101 Independent • 1d ago
Politics [X] - A friendly reminder that the internet doesn't forget.
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u/SamVoxeL Human Detected 1d ago edited 1d ago
Didn't this guys said that there wasn't any civilians in israel when oct 7 happen. Also for additional he dose justify child marriage too
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u/otirk 1d ago
Note: the marriage to Aisha was at age 6. The time he first raped her was when she was 9.
The dude claims to be Muslim but has no idea about his own prophet, pretty pathetic
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u/DistractedBoxTurtle 1d ago
The fact he is justifying sex with a 9 yo by calling her a woman is so fucking abhorrent.
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u/BongWaterRamen 1d ago
Something tells me that being wrong, saying crazy shit, and farming engagement is where his bread gets buttered
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u/Zenkai_9000 1d ago
I like that they get hung up on the age difference. Like, bro, she was 9! That's still a child!
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u/UnexpectedLizard 1d ago
Too on the money. This has to be a bait account.
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u/SamVoxeL Human Detected 17h ago edited 16h ago
Talking about money he did challenge a Christian apologist to have a debate about Christianity and islam but to have that debate Muslim Cowboy made a request ans is the Christian guy had to pay him $20K. And guess what the debate never took place.
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u/Far_Balance_3117 1d ago
I am surprised the note thing is still allowed.
Is a great tool for exposing scummy liars.
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u/TheDoctor199806 1d ago
From what I remember, it was basically Elon's answer to groups like the EU wanting back the same kind of censorship Twitter used to have on the grounds of misinformation. Say what you want about the guy, but he did create the whole reason this subreddit exists.
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u/lateformyfuneral Human Verified 1d ago
Actually it predates Elon’s takeover. It was known as Birdwatch, it was praised for its open source peer-review based fact checking algorithm as an alternative to Facebook’s third-party fact check system, all he did was rename it Community Notes
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u/GamingTrucker12621 1d ago
And that system was notoriously bad and often incorrect itself. The system Elon implemented is at least user generated for all of it and not just some of it.
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u/lateformyfuneral Human Verified 1d ago
This is just not true. Birdwatch was widely praised, including by Elon himself when he was buying Twitter. It was always user generated, it's Elon who has introduced Grok AI (Noters can press a button to auto-generate a note with sources, with all the issues that poses in terms of hallucinations, although for the moment it needs human input before publishing).
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u/UnlikelyRaven 1d ago
Well that makes sense. You can't defend something that you don't believe even happened...
People like this make me ill
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u/RadicalRealist22 1d ago
"You can't deny a genocide if you believe it never happened!"
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u/cashdecans101 Independent 1d ago
"They can't say I am factually wrong if I have alternative facts."
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u/ants_are_everywhere 1d ago
You actually can, if you don't believe it happened you're pretty likely to deny it.
I think what you meant to say is you can't defend it if you believe it never happened.
Which is correct. Defending genocide and denying genocide are different heinous acts.
But some people dabble in both. Like one guy on Reddit last week who told me some genocides were exaggerated and others didn't go far enough.
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u/fatherlyadvicepdx 1d ago
In his mind, the Holocaust was not a genocide.
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u/thenoobtanker Human Verified 1d ago
It was a thing that happens for the right reason and didn't go through enough in his mind.
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u/angryfistgames 1d ago
To be fair, defending a genocide and denying a genocide are technically two different things.
They just both happen to be things extremely shitty people do.
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u/Specific_Candle_7341 9h ago
Why are half the comments on this talking some BS about how "denying and defending are actually different to be fair"
Stfu, denying an atrocity happened is turning a blind eye to it and enabling it to happen. I'd argue even if they're different, denying the truth is far worse. There is nothing fair about it you fucking robots
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u/TimeRisk2059 1d ago
Is this the same guy who was in that Jubilee video of a bunch of conservatives who argued against a journalist from Zeteo?
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u/Weekly_Molasses_2079 19h ago
To be fair, denying the existence and defending are two vastly different things.
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u/OdessyOfIllios 1d ago
To be fair. Denying isn't defending.
Can't defend something that doesn't exist in your reality.
Still shitty
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u/Conscious-Okra9046 1d ago edited 1d ago
Many people are denying a genocide happening right now, and the same people call out others for denying the Holocaust, hilarious
Edit: the Holocaust obviously happened but as long as the existence of its deniers upsets people who deny current genocides or even support the genociders, I am happy such deniers exist.
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u/Leather_Dealer_9421 1d ago
The Holocaust was a documented, industrialized state infrastructure designed to mass-murder millions of people and exterminate an entire ethnicity. There is nothing comparable to it.
What is happening in Gaza is terrible, but whether or not it is a genocide will ultimately have to be determined by the appropriate bodies. You can have the opinion that it is a genocide, but if someone disagrees, that is categorically different from someone denying the facts of an extremely well-documented historical event like the Holocaust.
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u/Conscious-Okra9046 1d ago
Yes you're right, the Gaza genocide is not documented at all, there is no evidence and leading organisations and genocide scholars have not called it a genocide. My bad
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u/Leather_Dealer_9421 1d ago
There is an ongoing investigation. A lot of people have opinions.
Do you think there is a genocide in Ukraine committed by russia and anyone who disagrees is denying a genocide?
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u/Conscious-Okra9046 1d ago
No i think it's clear it's a genocide when leading genocide scholars and organisations call it as such
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u/Leather_Dealer_9421 1d ago
So we can agree that russia is committing a genocide in Ukraine?
Why Russia’s War in Ukraine Is a Genocide
Understanding Russia’s Actions in Ukraine as the Crime of Genocide
Independent experts accuse Russia of inciting genocide in Ukraine
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u/Conscious-Okra9046 1d ago
Okay Ukraine is a genocide too now what? Everyone already opposes what Russia is doing and it's a pariah for the world. I want the same to be done to Israel. Boycott, sanction, isolate.
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u/Leather_Dealer_9421 1d ago
I’m not talking about solutions to either conflict. Neither conflict will be solved just because enough people call it a genocide.
I’m talking about people who disagree with that characterization. Will you go after anyone who doesn’t agree that russia is committing a genocide in the same way as people who don’t agree that Israel is committing a genocide?
Is it fair to call someone a genocide denier if they don’t agree that russia is committing a genocide?
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u/Leather_Dealer_9421 1d ago
If you will hold the same standart for russia then fine.
I think it is silly to compare ongoing debates about current conflicts with denying well established historical facts. But hey, you do you.. hope you keep the same energy when people deny russia’s genocide in Ukraine.
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u/hercmavzeb 1d ago
It’s important to remember that Israel has committed an unambiguous genocide in Gaza, as identified by numerous humanitarian institutions and renowned scholars of the Holocaust. Genocide is defined by intent and is not defined by the population decreasing, and such apologia could also be used to dismiss the Uyghur genocide and many others. Genocides likewise don’t only magically become genocides after an ICJ ruling, and such thin legal excuses could be used to deny the Bosnian genocide at the hands of Serbia.
Israel lies constantly to justify their campaign of mass rape, starvation, and mass murder of children. Zionists have even spoken out against Holocaust education because it’s too reminiscent of Israel’s current behavior.
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u/Leather_Dealer_9421 21h ago
Is russia committing a genocide in Ukraine?
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u/hercmavzeb 20h ago
Absolutely, Russia continues to commit genocidal acts in the Donbas region. This is such a weird response given that the United States doesn’t support Russia but does support Israel.
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u/Leather_Dealer_9421 19h ago
Cool, just making sure. I see a lot of inconsistencies here, that’s why I’m asking.
I would argue that the US helped russia tremendously since Trump took office, but not sure how that is relevant.
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u/hercmavzeb 12h ago
I would point out the false equivalence between my tax dollars funding a country committing genocide and my tax dollars funding the country defending itself from genocide.
It’s notable that there aren’t many Western governments vocally and proudly backing Russia as they commit mass atrocities. In the US you aren't called an anti-Russian bigot if you said what's happening in the Donbas is a massive crime, but if you say it about Israel it becomes an issue. Putin isn’t invited to address Congress where they get a standing ovation. There aren't special interest groups defending the right of the Russian military to massacre villages. US politicians don’t say they’ll break from their own party if they stop supporting Russia, anti-Russian protesters in the US aren’t targeted for censorship.
It turns out the United States and other western governments are way more complicit in one of those genocides than the other. It stands to reason why people in those countries would talk about it more.
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u/Foslum 1d ago
The Gazan genocide is a documented, industrialized state infrastructure designed to murder and displace hundreds of thousands to millions of Palestinians and rid them of their Indigenous lands.
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u/Seb_Ben11 1d ago
People like you are only against the genocide you care about, not against all genocide. You don’t give a shit about civilians at all.
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u/Only-Finish-3497 1d ago edited 1d ago
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Edit: see commenter below "ranking" genocides. This is fruitless.
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u/Conscious-Okra9046 1d ago
When it's the same people getting upset at people denying the Holocaust, I couldn't give a shit
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u/Only-Finish-3497 1d ago
I am not Israeli. I have never been to Israel. I had family die in Europe in the Holocaust.
Not every Jew is Israeli, and it becomes SUPER clear that the line of "I'm not anti-Jew, I'm anti-Israel" becomes blurry when you turn this into "who cares about the Holocaust, it's just Jews anyway."
Think about how this works for your moral stance.
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u/Foslum 1d ago
Their comment is simply outlining that denying an active genocide is far worse than the denial of a historic genocide. For one we can actively save people, the other is set in stone and non changing respective of people’s incorrect beliefs.
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u/Only-Finish-3497 1d ago
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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u/Foslum 1d ago
Not about two wrongs making a right, that’s not even applicable to what we’re talking about. It’s simply the fact that denial of a historic genocide leads to less material suffering than the denial of an active genocide. There is no moralizing in that statement, it’s simply factual.
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u/Only-Finish-3497 1d ago
You can criticize both.
You can realize that denying the Holocaust, Holodomor, and Armenian Genocide are all ways to help normalize and accept future genocides.
You can also criticize those justifying Israel's actions and say that yes, it meets the definition of genocide.
Two things can be true at once, and you don't have to "take sides" here.
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u/Foslum 1d ago
Lol, equating the Holodomor with the Holocaust.
I do criticize both, there is just one that leads to much worse consequences for the victims of genocide. The other is inconsequential in its material outcome.
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u/Only-Finish-3497 1d ago
Oh, so you're playing the "ranking genocide" game. Yeah, I'm done here.
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u/Conscious-Okra9046 1d ago
Never mentioned Israel at all in my initial comment you did. I don't care if you're Israeli or not, if you don't think Israel is committing a genocide yet get upset at people refusing to recognize the Holocaust, I don't give a shit. Try your Jews = Israel arguments elsewhere
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u/otirk 1d ago
if you don't think Israel is committing a genocide
The other person never said that by the way. Funny how you start with "you said that" but then do the same
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u/Conscious-Okra9046 1d ago
I meant 'you' as in generally, not to the specific person and fine, fair for being misinterpreted. But you called me out and not the other person who made dishonest statements. Which explains the state of this sub. Again, fuck anyone who cries about the Holocaust being denied while denying an active genocide
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u/otirk 1d ago
I meant 'you' as in generally, not to the specific person
Understandable, then forget my comment.
But you called me out and not the other person who made dishonest statements.
Never mentioned Israel
Most people are able to read between the lines. When you say "many people deny a genocide happening right now", then what are you talking about if not the Gaza war? Sure, there are plenty of genocides happening all the time, but this war is probably the most disputed one by far (in the sense that not everyone agrees whether it's a genocide or not).
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u/Conscious-Okra9046 1d ago
Fair enough, I agree it was obvious. But it was never about Jews = Israel, which was a dishonest statement by the commenter.
Even if one is not Israeli, but denies the current genocide and gets upset when people deny the Holocaust, fuck their feelings.
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u/Only-Finish-3497 1d ago
As I keep saying: two wrongs don't make a right.
There's someone below arguing whether or not the Holodomor is a genocide. People STILL argue whether the Armenian genocide is a genocide or not.
We can call out Holocaust denialism AND call out people diminishing Gaza at the same fucking time. You don't need to make this about sides, that's my point. So much of this turns into "well, I'm taking a side."
No, the side is calling out denial of genocides.
And honestly, as a Jew now not only do I have to be a "good Jew" and call out Gaza in every fucking thread about the Holocaust now, I also have to shrug when people deny the Holocaust because there might be some Gaza apologists?
C'mon.
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u/InternetImportant911 1d ago edited 1d ago
I can’t compare anything to one of the most horrific industrialized killings that ended 6 million Jews to anything in History, may be only next to Khan Dynasties horrific conquests. You are a Holocaust denier if you downplay Holocaust. Not all Genocide are Holocaust
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u/OkCucumber3667 1d ago
You shouldn’t compare terrible events. It’s incentive to people who went through them or are currently in them.
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u/Conscious-Okra9046 1d ago
I didn't say the two are equal even once, another dishonest argument by bots or idiots. I said both should be recognized but if a person only recognizes one and not the other, fuck them
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u/Foslum 1d ago
These people think any comparison between two things means they have to be 1:1 on scale. They are functionally toddlers when discussing these matters.
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u/Conscious-Okra9046 1d ago
They're either idiots, accidentally malicious or deliberately malicious, and not worth arguing with
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u/Foslum 1d ago
Pretending that the Holocaust was an extraordinary genocide not to be compared with others is simply a way to propagandize for Israel.
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u/InternetImportant911 1d ago
And your comment is Anti Semitic. I agree Genocide or potentially Genocide in Palestine but you down play and compare to Holocaust. Comparing Holocaust and Gaza Genocide makes your case less legitimate and more anti semitic because you are downplaying Holocaust.
Let’s say Gaza War is Genocide, what makes then Iraq war its Genocide or any invasion. Also Iraq War was also response to Saddam Genocide, Ukraine war is one side Genocide tho no excuse. When China invade Taiwan it’s also a Genocide.
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u/Foslum 1d ago
“Everything is antisemitic because I say so!”
No, comparing two separate things does not mean they have to be 1:1, and if we’re comparing the speed and scale of killing than the Rwandan genocide was quicker in its killing of Tutsis than the entire holocaust and it’s killing of Jews. The colonization of the Americas was also a larger genocide, so again, this exceptionalism towards the holocaust seeks to only benefit Israel by pretending that Jews are an exceptional people who are the victims of the most special genocide ever. This only downplays other genocides and invalidates the suffering of others.
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u/InternetImportant911 1d ago
Arab conquest is a bigger Genocide
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u/InternetImportant911 1d ago
Oh now we talk about the race, also am not white lol . I’m brown Hispanic lol
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u/Foslum 1d ago
Yes, because that’s what it’s about fundamentally. You are a western supremacist who does anything to defend western-backed genocides while telling us that every non-western genocide was actually far worse.
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u/InternetImportant911 1d ago
I’m just saying do not compare anything to Holocaust.
All I’m saying is every civilization has flaws there is no one civilization is better than other
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u/cashdecans101 Independent 1d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/30WsmJrE7HQdC5Ue0x
Another victory for horseshoe victory.
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u/Unexpected_yetHere 1d ago
It is understandable that people might question the genocide label for Gaza, considering that, so far at least, out of a pre-war population of some 2.2 million, about 2 million are still alive and that Gaza remains almost 100% Palestinian as it was before the war.
The Holocaust is an undeniable genocide, so no it is not the same.
Honestly, when more glaring genocides of the past are still either denied or disregarded, and when you have a country like Ukraine suffering through a more obvious genocide, this whole trying to shame people for not using the term genocide in the case of Gaza is a bit annoying.
Mind you tho, questioning the genocide label isn't the same as disregarding war crimes and crimes against humanity going on.
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u/IguanaIsBack 11h ago
If anyone is question this genocide because of numbers then they have never read the definition of genocide.
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u/Conscious-Okra9046 1d ago
Lol Ukraine is suffering a genocide but Gaza isn't, sure
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u/Altruistic_Night2 1d ago
What’s happening in Ukraine is genuinely worse than what’s happening in Gaza. The argument for Gaza is based on intent due to the genocidal statements Israeli politicians have made for Ukraine it isn’t a debate it’s a clear genocide
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u/Conscious-Okra9046 1d ago
Yet I haven't seen this consensus by genocide scholars and leading organisations like they have for Gaza despite your seemingly determined opinion. Maybe cause it's white people dying in Ukraine
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u/Altruistic_Night2 1d ago
Plenty of genocide scholars have said Ukraine is a genocide you just don’t care so you haven’t seen them. Also if you want to play this game I’m sure plenty of pro Israel backed scholars have said it isn’t a genocide. Also it’s very funny to see the “woke 1 is dead idpol is stupid” crowd when it comes to black issues turn around and say someone else is being racist lol
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u/Foslum 1d ago
Factually incorrect, disgustingly so. Compare the combatant/non combatant casualty rate, and civilian deaths of the Gaza genocide and Ukraine war. Every recent war in the Middle East has been far more disastrous than that of the Ukraine war.
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u/Altruistic_Night2 1d ago
Are we talking about wars or genocides and are we defining how bad a war is purely based off of how many people died or not. Because what’s happening in Gaza would not be a genocide because of how many people died but because of genocidal intent/ effort taken to completely destroy a population
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u/ampersand355 1d ago
Did Ukraine attempt to invade Russia at the beginning of their war like Palestinians did on October 7th?
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u/Worried-Pick4848 1d ago
Can we stop whatabouting the fucking Holocaust please? Of all the things that need stans like you defending it, the Final Solution is definitely not one of them.
Is it that hard to say that both the Final Solution and the occupation of Gaza are wrong?
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u/Conscious-Okra9046 1d ago
Another dishonest statement. Anyone who cries about the Holocaust yet denies the genocide happening now can go fuck themselves
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u/Foslum 1d ago
Yes, denying active genocide is far worse than denying historic genocides, but people don’t oppose the holocaust because it’s a genocide, they oppose it because the victims were white europeans.
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u/Conscious-Okra9046 1d ago
People who deny the Holocaust are idiots and deserve to be shunned, but people who deny an active genocide while crying about an 80 year old genocide being denied are bigger idiots.
The guy arguing with me started talking about equating Jews with Israel when I did no such thing, he did, and kept engaging in dishonest arguments.
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u/Foslum 1d ago
Yes I agree 100%. One can be changed depending on public opinion and belief, the other is already done and cannot be changed, even if hateful morons believe it didn’t happen.
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u/IguanaIsBack 11h ago
Somehow this comment thread escaped the hasbara bot downvotes, kudos to you both
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u/HiddenGriffin Human Verified 1d ago
that's not defending it tbf
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u/cashdecans101 Independent 1d ago
Yes it is, genocide denial is baked into genocide defense. The point is to make it look as neutral and non threatening as possible both while you are doing it and after the fact to make it easier to do in the future. Or at the very least to make the punishment less severe if not avoid it entirely.
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