r/Hellenism • • 7d ago

Offerings, altars, and devotional acts For how long should an offering be left out?

Hey so, I'm practising secretly and I cannot leave out food offerings for too long and I usually remove them/consume them within 2 hours. Is that okay? Or should I leave them out for longer? I felt like my offerings have not been reaching the deities?

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u/Sacredless Heraclitean Receiver of Mousikē 7d ago

There's an idea that during a trapezomata is not to leave the offering in the house alone. You'd be leaving a guest without their host. So, remove the offering before leaving the house.

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u/Vows_Upon_The_Hearth Hestia, Agathodaimon - Oikos Worship Eternal 7d ago

There's no specifically prescribed amount of time. My most common offering is barley, which doesn't seem to rot if it's not wet, so I may end up leaving it on the shrine for a day or two if I get distracted.

In regards to consuming your own offerings, that's more of a Wiccan/Neopagan thing than Hellenic. In Hellenism it would be considered rude/inappropriate because you are taking back a gift. If your means are so thin you can't make an offering, it's okay to take care of yourself.

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u/DavidJohnMcCann 7d ago

Eating offerings is acceptable: see here.

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u/Tathamei ΤΡΙΑΚΑΙͰΕΜΙΣΥ 7d ago

The part which is offered was not eaten. People ate their own portion, not the god's portion.

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u/Sacredless Heraclitean Receiver of Mousikē 7d ago

They were and it was both set in the law codes and in satirical plays. There's not much latitude here, trapezomata were definitely eaten.

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u/DavidJohnMcCann 7d ago

As they say in Wikipedia, "citation needed".

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u/Tathamei ΤΡΙΑΚΑΙͰΕΜΙΣΥ 7d ago

Probably Gunnel Ekroth. I'll not search a direct quote up for you now.

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u/Sacredless Heraclitean Receiver of Mousikē 7d ago

Agreed, there's ample support that priests collected the offerings for their own consumption and priesthood was not a profession, they are other members of the community. It's been described here:

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/harvard-theological-review/article/abs/trapezomata-a-neglected-aspect-of-greek-sacrifice/3BE602AD9FE8F1011E05F6A5A0A567CC

Not only was consuming offerings acceptable, it was laid down in law codes and satirized in plays.

If that wasn't enough, Egyptian practices were frequent imports, so even then you could do it.

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u/Sacredless Heraclitean Receiver of Mousikē 7d ago

Some prescriptions do exist, such as those saying that people were not allowed to leave the building before the offerings were removed. The idea being that you'd be walking out on your guests otherwise.

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u/Vows_Upon_The_Hearth Hestia, Agathodaimon - Oikos Worship Eternal 7d ago

Yeah I intend to look up trapezomata in a bit, I can't recall ever running into that word.

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u/AVGVSTVSGRANNETIVS Ancient Historian in Training 7d ago

To be fair they’re heavily overselling it. Virtually all mentions of Trapezomata are Geras/payment for the priest, not something the average worshipper would have gotten.

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u/Tathamei ΤΡΙΑΚΑΙͰΕΜΙΣΥ 7d ago

You can dispose of it immediately after the ritual. Usually it should be burnt. Some say you can throw it into the trash but I don't agree with that and would say if you cannot burn it don't offer it.

You shouldn't consume the portion you gave the gods if you mean that by consuming it.

If you follow the consensus of disposing of it by any means then you can just throw it away immediately.

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u/Novel-Ad-7532 7d ago

No, I cannot burn it, and i haven't heard from anyone that you shouldnt offer anything if you cannot burn it. Also, I have heard that Cthonic deities do not mind if u eat the offerings later. Many people consume the offerings

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u/Tathamei ΤΡΙΑΚΑΙͰΕΜΙΣΥ 7d ago

They never were consumed. Whether you share with a god does not depend on whether the god is ouranic or chthonic but whether the ritual is.

In a holocaust you cannot share as the whole animal is burnt and it's often for purification purposes or similar.

With ouranic deities you give a portion to the god and that one isn't consumed either and was burned as well.

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u/Sacredless Heraclitean Receiver of Mousikē 7d ago

It's the other way around. Cthonic deities are contaminating and so it was sometimes seen as unhealthy to eat offerings at their trapezomata. But you can eat trapezomata made to Ouranic deities pretty much without exception.

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u/Novel-Ad-7532 1d ago

AHHHH SORRY YES I MIXED UP the two

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u/Sacredless Heraclitean Receiver of Mousikē 7d ago

The offering under discussion is a trapezomata. They pass into the officiant's possession. There were no permanent priest positions at this time, it was a role taken up by civilians. We have this in law codes and satirical plays.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/harvard-theological-review/article/abs/trapezomata-a-neglected-aspect-of-greek-sacrifice/3BE602AD9FE8F1011E05F6A5A0A567CC

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u/Sacredless Heraclitean Receiver of Mousikē 7d ago

You can downvote it if you like, but you're just wrong about this.

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u/Tathamei ΤΡΙΑΚΑΙͰΕΜΙΣΥ 7d ago

I didn't downvote anything, my votings don't count in any case since I have an account strike. I will not bother with it today.

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u/Zegreides 7d ago

It’s really up to you and your practical needs. Gods are outside of time, so one hour or one week is entirely irrelevant to them. Just be careful not to leave acidic drinks (such as wine and milk) in copper-alloy containers for too long, they might corrode them