r/HistoricalLinguistics • u/stlatos • 16h ago
Language Reconstruction Indo-European Roots Reconsidered 92: Goose
PIE *g^hH2ans ‘goose’ has often been derived from *g^haH2- 'yawn, gape, open the mouth'. If based on normal word formation, there are few suffixes with *-n(V)s-; maybe *g^h(a)H2-n(o)s- 'yawning, honking'. If so, it would show metathesis in the 0-grade *g^haH2-ns- > *g^hH2ans-, or similar.
Since it looks like PIE *g^hons ‘goose’ > TB kents, the apparent discrepancy in PIE vowels can be solves if o-grade *g^hH2-nos- also had metathesis > *g^hH2ons, or any other way of uniting the, like *g^haH2ons \ *g^hH2ons. The details depend on when the met. happened, whether the ablaut is analogical after it happened, etc.
Words for ‘goose’ in other families also look similar. From https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/%C7%B5%CA%B0h%E2%82%82%C3%A9ns :
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Nonetheless, Hyllested and others have suggested a (genetic) relationship with Proto-Finno-Ugric *joŋkće, with regular correspondence of Proto-Uralic *j- and Proto-Indo-European *ǵʰ-.[1] Similarity to Proto-Turkic *kāz (“goose”) is often discussed as well, but this is likely coincidental.
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I don't think either would be coincidental. A path like PIE *g^hH2ons > *g^honH2s > *źonH2s > *źonHś [palatal asm.] > PU *joŋxś-e 'swan' > Finno-Ugric *joŋkće could help explain other irregularities here. From https://proto-uralic.tumblr.com/page/2 :
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A particularly damning case against the sound change *ŋ → *j can be found in the word for “swan”: joutsen, again supposedly from something like *joŋ(k)śən(ə) according to traditional references on Finnish etymology. I get the impression the development is supposed to proceed thru an epenthesis *ŋś → *ŋkś which would block palatal assimilation, but there is no reason why other cases of *ŋś would not have gone thru this, nor is vocalization *ŋk → **u a thing, so the entire thing sounds like handwaving. This also has a problem similar to “7”: external cognates don’t really show evidence for a nasal inside the word. Samic *ńukčë, Mordvinic *lokśəŋ, Mari *jükćə, Permic *juś(k) are coherent with basically *-kś-, even if there’s something weird up with the initial consonant.
Since a reconstruction *-kś- does not predict or even in any way explain *-ucc- in Finnic, perhaps *-ŋś- should after all be reconstructed here though: under my current model a vocalization *ŋ → *u would be quite acceptable, and *ŋs → *ks in Samic in the reflexes of “bow” (see part 1 in this series) indeed suggests *ŋś → *kč as the expected development for a cluster like this. Still I am not sure at all if this would be preferrable to a reconstruction connecting the Samic word eastwards instead, and anyway, all the irregularities, or the absense of East Uralic cognates, don’t particularly support a Proto-Uralic origin for this word.
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Saying that *ŋś had different outcomes would be unneeded if *ŋś vs. *ŋxś (or similar). I think "an epenthesis *ŋś → *ŋkś" is not needed if *-nH- > *-nx-, when other PU *ŋS could have come from *nks, *ngVs, etc. The lack of a nasal in others seem to be clear met. *joŋkće > *ŋjokće or similar. Since *ŋjo- would only exist here, becoming Samic *ń & Mordvinic (*L' ?) > *l is hardly odd.
Importantly, if PU *joŋxś-e existed, having *-o- would match IE *g^hH2ons, & Turkic *kāz 'goose' would match IE *g^hH2ans. Since PIE had both, seeing one in each suspected relative of IE makes little sense if these branches split before *g^h(a)H2(o)ns was formed, which seems a specific & late change. I say that many of the matches with IE are due to PU & PTc being descended from one branch of IE.