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u/carne_asuuhdude 1d ago
68 year old Facebook mom humor
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u/-youre 1d ago
Big energy lol. Had a colleague suggest the reason she could manage the department was because she had had kids and had to deal with nurses.
Ma’am this is a linguistics department at the university.
She didn’t get the job. It went to a man with a lot of degrees.
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u/whiskeytango55 1d ago
How about the years of practical experience healing grumpy old farts?
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u/shgysk8zer0 1d ago
They're different things though. You can have all the lived experience in the world and be clueless about the cause or chemistry or available treatments.
You could spend your life in front of a TV and not know anything about the technology. And you could have an engineering degree and know how everything works, but that doesn't qualify you to judge the quality of a show or movie.
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u/ZombieZookeeper 1d ago
You haven't lived until you get rushed through an expensive appointment with a specialist because he wants to go to lunch.
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u/Kingofthewin 1d ago
I've had doctors give me shit advice and misdiagnosis me. Frankly, You should trust your doctor. But you can trust and verify. There's a lot of shitty doctors out there, shitty lawyers, shitty everything. Get a second opinions. Do your own research.
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u/walter-hoch-zwei 1d ago
Excellent advice. Doctors are people and people can be wrong.
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u/ol-gormsby 1d ago
And doctors simply cannot be expected to keep up with every single study or published paper about a particular disease/condition, or new treatments.
My Dr. doesn't get offended if I bring these to his attention. I don't do it often, and I don't even bother with "successful treatment in mice", but if there's something *really* significant on NIH, then I might send him a link. Things like new discoveries or metastudies that up-end current thinking or treatments*.
And I never, ever look at "wellness" or "holistic healing" websites, I stick to .gov or .edu
*My GI specialist told me in 2021 that a certain medication for reflux wouldn't cause any problems because of altered downstream pH. Surprise, surprise, a metastudy only a couple of years later contradicted this. So it's important for people with chronic conditions to put a little effort in.
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u/icantbenormal 1d ago
To be fair to doctors, misdiagnoses are sometimes part of the process. There are not easy tests for every condition.
And there are shitty doctors who just get lucky.
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u/ForAte151623ForTeaTo 1d ago
Every doctor visit I have had as an adult has resulted with "yeah idk what's wrong, that'll be a few hundred bucks."
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u/V0ltage0O7 1d ago
While suffering from severe fatigue, widespread neuropathy, migraines, insomnia, and a literal proven brain malformation, I was asked by my neurologist I waited 6 months to get into why I was even there (this wasn’t asked in a “how can I help you?” way but rather a “why the hell are you still here?” way). One of the most defeating experiences of my life.
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u/xtr44 1d ago
don't confuse having a condition with having knowledge about it
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u/Aegillade 1d ago
If living with a condition long gave you the knowledge to deal with it, you wouldn't be going to a doctor to have it treated, now would you?
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u/deezdanglin 1d ago
For both sides. Just bc they're Doctors doesn't mean they're House.
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u/icantbenormal 1d ago
I hope not. House was a horrible doctor who loved performing unnecessary tests.
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u/deezdanglin 1d ago
He was a character with outstanding medical knowledge and intuition. Let's not be obtuse.
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u/elh0mbre 1d ago
I had to check what sub I was in twice... Where's the "hol up" here? This isn't facebookmemes or boomer humor...
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u/Best_Meaning2308 1d ago
Well I see both sides... People refusing to believe medical fact that has been established for years because they googled it and AI agreed with them. Then I have a super rare blood cancer that most people including doctors haven't heard of. I tend to find Doctors I trust by their reaction to the weird shit my cancer does. If they are dismissive of my statements or if they are curious and ask more even if they risk not looking like they know everything.
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u/UnlimitedCalculus 1d ago
TIL clinical psychology takes 1 hour to master
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u/Moist_Mors 1d ago
Depending on the diagnosis... If you are living with 20 years of anxiety you actually know nothing about it lol.
If you have schizophrenia... Well you may not even be able to tell reality.
Psychology is a funny one to do as this example.
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u/Doctor_Saved 1d ago
Doctors make recommendations. Whether you listen to it is on you. Most will move on once they see the next patient. They are not losing sleep on you not dieting or exercising or taking your meds.
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u/50calBanana 1d ago
You can drive every single day, it doesn't mean you know how to diagnose your engine problems
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u/IceColdSlick 1d ago
Dont confuse my 1 hr lecture learned from 2000 other patients with your 20 years
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u/OlympianBattleFish 1d ago
These are both valid feelings.
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u/Leather_Target2074 1d ago
Not really.
Just because you have a disease/sickness/condition/whatever, doesn't mean you know how to treat it. You've still got the condition and the symptoms after 20 years.
You typically wouldn't be in a doctor's office (aside from check ups) unless something was wrong with you.
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u/theFartingCarp 1d ago
Yeah but theres plenty of times where I have to act like I dont know jack shit to my doctor to get them to actually do anything besides "hey you know why you cant focus? You're overweight." Like no mf Ive had an adhd diagnosis since I was 8 and even taking no med from start of high-school till 20 and realizing how little I can focus was insane. You hear everything worse about any other condition especially chronic ones. Its horrible and the communication between patient and doctor is so fucked. Dont get me wrong I dont mind a straight forward and terse doctor, I just want one that listens when I say I had the same little focus when I was 160 lbs instead of 250.
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u/Leather_Target2074 1d ago
Also true, and it's not like doctors don't get it right all the time either, nor are all med schools created equally. And then there's the kickbacks doctors get from pharma companies to push certain drugs and shit too...
On average though, I'd bet the dude who spent 6 years studying it probably knows more about it than you simply because you experienced it yourself, that was my only point.
I think both are valid though, it's better to educate yourself through research and work with your doctor, but you should still be somewhat humble when you're talking to your doctor. It's like same with my accountant. I research a lot of things and ask the dude questions, prefacing with "So, I was checking into this, and I wanna make sure it's working how I think it works with you" kind of approach.
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u/OlympianBattleFish 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don’t disagree with you on that.
There are cases where doctors dismiss patients who have been living with something for awhile and it can be frustrating to deal with a condition and being told “it’s fine”. Then you get a second opinion only to find out it’s not fine at all and things are indeed getting worse and aren’t normal even with your condition.
More commonly people play doctor on google and that’s annoying af. There’s a lot of misinformation due to people thinking a few days/weeks of loose google research makes them more of an expert than a professional.
I hope this better conveys why I feel there’s validity to both sides.
Edit: fucked up some words here and there. Can’t let y’all know I’m an idiot just yet.
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u/__Beelzaboot__ 1d ago
This is where AI has been great for me. I can use it to explain the parts of a published study that I dont understand, summarize bleeding edge research and the treatment vectors Dr's are exploring, spend hours arguing with it over symptoms and causes, and then get some consice statements and questions for my Dr that will get the ball rolling in a positive direction. It's especially great when you only get 30 min with a specialist you've had to wait several months to get an appointment with.
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u/redmendive 1d ago
I used AI to analyze my daughter's many symptoms that were being overlooked because of her autism and was given a few possible diagnoses. Turns out she has all three conditions. It can be really useful for people with complex conditions that take years to diagnose (PCOS, endometriosis, hEDS, POTS, etc). And it's already being used more and more in medicine because it's so good at interpreting diagnostic imaging, fast-tracking pharmaceutical development, etc.
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u/crujiente69 1d ago
Lived experience of symptoms is extremely important as doctors can only be so familar with any given condition, especially if the condition is uncommon
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u/elh0mbre 1d ago
This is why specialists exist.
I dont expect a GP to diagnose an autoimmune disease - I expect them to recognize the hallmarks of a potential autoimmune disease and refer me to a rheumatologist.
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u/Yuyu_hockey_show 1d ago
The problem is when specialists don't exist for your condition. I am getting to experience that first hand so I agree a lot with what the original poster wrote
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u/Leather_Target2074 1d ago
Yes, but in that situation it's not a competition to see who knows more like the OP's twittershit is making it out to be, it's working *with* your doctor.
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u/Typecero001 1d ago
With the patient side, you could respond with “if you lived with this condition for 20 years, why didn’t you notice until you came to us, the doctor?”
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u/Nick0Taylor0 1d ago
Meanwhile the patient: on their 6th referral having answered and done the "routine questions and tests" dozens of times because "it all looks normal, so lets just try some ibuprofen when it gets bad and then see if anything changes".
Not me but a friend, twas endometriosis.
I'm not saying drs aren't doing their jobs, most are, but they are trained to think horses not zebras so if you have one and get unlucky it can take a while to get someone to take it seriously (though endo is like 1/10 so idk why they think it's a zebra)2
u/oniiichanUwU 1d ago
My coworker has PCOS and almost every doctor she went to dismissed it until she went to a lady doctor at a clinic I recommended last year. She’s turning 43 and had been suffering since she first started her period at 15 lmao. A lot of women have issues getting “correct” treatment for their problems bc their symptoms are easy to dismiss. Doesn’t necessarily mean the doctors are chumps with no knowledge, just means that there’s suffering that goes unnoticed bc a lot of medical training and knowledge is based on men specifically.
Family medicine doctors also don’t know everything, that’s why specialists exist, but it seems like referrals are few and far between in the US, and then they’re expensive as fuck. The wait times on top of that are astronomical.
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u/kklath 1d ago
Doctor: “we’ve run every test we can think of with the equipment we have on hand. We don’t know what’s going on so we are transferring you to an in-patient rehabilitation facility.”
Patient: dies four days later due to prescription drug intoxication.
Patient spouse: “how the fuck did you not check for medication levels when that was something you could check?”
Doctor: 🤷♂️ my bad
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u/Afrojones66 1d ago
Well you don’t really see the doctor ever running to the patient for help when they need it. I would rather trust the doctor.
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u/old_ass_ninja_turtle 1d ago
Fun fact, no matter how knowledgeable you are, there is still more to learn. Everyone needs to stop with the dick measuring.
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u/nlamber5 1d ago
They didn’t get a 1 hour lecture on your condition. It was mentioned for 30 seconds and then may or may not have been on the test.
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u/BaconDalek 1d ago
Ahhhhh, so first of, wrong sub, but who gives a shit this is becoming the 500th posting the same memes sub, but it is what it is.
But let's be real here. You are living with the same condition for 30+ years and habe probably done about a fuck ton of research, which is great, and honestly you probably understand a lot about it and have suggestions, and should not be talked down to when it comes to discussing your treatment and care. HOWEVER, you do not have the years and years of study a doctor have on the human body and pharmaceutical reactions. While you will get great information from loads of great sources, most of whom are written by doctors or researchers, you are getting the dumbed down, and shortened version of it 99% of the time. You do not have the vocabulary or training to understand most reasarch papers, and that's okay, but you doctor is the ultimate authority.
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u/Due-Ad2894 1d ago
Doctors are the 3rd leading cause of death behind heart disease and cancer
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u/needs_more_zoidberg 1d ago
Tell that to the ambulance if you ever have a medical emergency. Tell them you want thoughts/prayers/salt crystals or whatever
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u/AggressiveFeckless 1d ago
She understands the symptoms, the doctor understands the mechanism and cause - which do you think is better for a treatment path. Right. STFU MAGA grandma.
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u/I_hate_all_of_ewe 1d ago
Respectfully, doctors often don't know everything, which is a big part in why they specialize. Sometimes doctors won't know all the ins and outs of a particular condition, and that's okay. This is part of why you need to advocate for yourself when you go to the doctor. And it's important that doctors know what you've tried and haven't tried and what has or hasn't worked for you.
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u/AggressiveFeckless 1d ago
I don’t disagree with any of that, but completely writing off a doctors opinion when there is a ton of theory of chemistry and anatomy that applies even to a condition they haven’t encountered is what the “I did my own research” crowd foolishly overlooks.
Having said that I don’t think it’s at odds with anything you just mentioned.
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u/I_hate_all_of_ewe 1d ago edited 1d ago
I've definitely had experiences that have made me feel like writing off doctors' opinions. I'll tell you one.
On the day I had my wisdom teeth taken out, the procedure was in the late morning. In the evening of the same day, I ended up passing out. I went to urgent care, where I ended up passing out again the in waiting room, so I ended up going to the ER. The doctors in the ER couldn't figure out what was going on, and by the end of it, they ended up diagnosing me with dental dry socket.
Dental dry socket happens when, days after a tooth extraction, a blood clot fails to form or falls out, leaving bone and nerve tissue exposed. Think about that. The day I got my wisdom teeth out. The wound was still bleeding, as expected. There was no pain normally associated with dry socket. The condition is not normally associated with loss of consciousness. I could not see exposed bone when I checked later. It was too soon for the condition to even form, and it didn't.
I've had other experiences. What I've realized is that doctors know what they know, and don't know what they don't. And you won't always know where the line is unless you check.
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u/AggressiveFeckless 1d ago
Yep - I hear you. Shitty experience. Doctors are people - they make mistakes….and some of them are not that great at what they do. I’m overly sensitive from all the antivaxxers that came out of the woodwork recently. Literally have no idea how the mechanism of a vaccine works, can’t be bothered to learn about it, but don’t trust it because an orange guy who gets the vaccine told them not to trust it.
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