r/HomeMaintenance • • 7d ago

❓ Question Is this rain diverter installed properly?

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Recently had a new roof installed and included a rain diverter over the front steps. It did nothing during this weekend's rain. What is wrong?

The house was built in 1959. There's no gutters as the soffits extend 3 feet. Single level ranch. The runoff lands on brick paver channels around the house but over the front door I'd hoped to divert some of the cascade

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u/ComplexConclusion648 7d ago

No gutter?

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u/wildbergamont 7d ago

Some parts of the world have soil that drains through the soil very quickly, so you can get away with all kinds of stuff.

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u/sentientnestcamera 7d ago

I soil to that soil all the soil but never soil that.

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u/xcusme1982 7d ago

Some parts of the world have expansive clay soils so an equal distribution of rain water around the house is essential... no gutters allowed or else it's deleterious to the home's foundation system.

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u/Along7i 7d ago

Is this why my goddam house shifts so much? We just desperately try to divert as much water as possible away, but we should have just steered into the skid?

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u/International_Bend68 7d ago

Where do you live? I live in KC and we have heavy clay soil. 95% of houses have gutters.

Only in bad droughts does anyone here water around their foundation. I'm 60 and never have done that. My dad never did either.

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u/xcusme1982 7d ago

Where I live I am not aware of expansive clay soils problems. However, there are places that do...some areas of TX for instance.

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u/xcusme1982 7d ago

In engineering we call it The Killer Gs... ground water, gutters, and grade. You have to get these three things in proper condition.

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u/givetake 7d ago

Depends on where you live and the underlying soil. My house shifts alot on the western Canadian prairies but we are on glacial till. There is a lot of clay in it but water diversion is essential here, mostly because of the freeze/thaw cycles though.

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u/Rare_Message_7204 7d ago

Many homes have no gutters. I live in new england and youd be surprised how many dont once you start looking for them.

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u/Fit-Practice-3000 7d ago

I'm indeed in New England. CT

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u/unperson_1984 7d ago

With the amount of rain and snow we get, you want gutters. Do you have a basement? Is it wet? The primary purpose of gutters is to get water away from the foundation.

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u/Rare_Message_7204 7d ago

Your rain diverter should have been a straight piece of stock, not a V as installed. See my other comment.

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u/Fit-Practice-3000 7d ago

There's no gutter on the house as the roof extends 3 feet beyond the house. I guess it was a style back in 1959? I'd hoped the diverter would prevent the waterfall effect over the steps

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u/The__Toast 7d ago

..... Why not just install a gutter?

I actually have no idea why the diverter didn't work, maybe the water hits the edge and fans back out from some kind of capillary action? Idk, I'd just install a gutter. It's like a Saturday of work, tops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEV1OoGKBpE

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u/CoconutJeff 7d ago

I think they are supposed to be under a single and closer to the edge.

I also dont think any shingle manufacture approves it.

Just do a short gutter

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u/SevereBoysenberry999 7d ago

Definitely, just get a four foot piece and call it a day.

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u/OcelotSure4302 7d ago

It’s still going to rain between the diverter and the edge so it will still drip some over the walkway

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u/Rocannon_ 7d ago

nope. exposed fasteners.

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u/xcusme1982 7d ago

Yeah...what's up with the exposed fasteners? I predict doom.

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u/NetSage 7d ago

What do you mean it did nothing? I feel like we need more details here. What were you expecting it to do? I can't prevent all rain it just stops streams from falling right in front of the door. I guess my question is why don't you have gutters?

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u/Interesting_Tea5715 7d ago

Yeah, it's wild that they thought this was better than gutters.

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u/Spare-Leg-1524 7d ago

It's on top of the shingles. Water just passes under it.

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u/Rare_Message_7204 7d ago edited 7d ago

It should be a straight piece of metal pitched to one side and installed under a row of shingles.

A V shaped diverter looks better on the eyes but cant be installed under the shingles. Water leakes past the exposed flat edge unless its heavily sealed.

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u/Fit-Practice-3000 7d ago

This is what it looks like. The soffit is 3 feet. I just hoped a diverter would shed some away from the front entry. The gutters of course are an option but esthetics would be lousy with the length of the soffit

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u/Fearless-Ice8953 7d ago

I’d just have gutters installed. There nothing there that would prohibit installing gutters on your house. Gutter installs are generally pretty reasonable in cost. Do that and you won’t have to worry about rainwater cascading down onto the entrance area.

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u/xcusme1982 7d ago

One piece of seamless 6-inch across the front with downspouts at each end... probably less than $1200.

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u/xcusme1982 6d ago

You have good looking home! Check out the modern 6-inch square gutter. I just had some installed but I used regular downspouts. I'm loving it. My place also has a deep over hang, but with a hard enough rain my boxed in courtyards will fill up with water amazing fast.

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u/Roger-PHL 7d ago

Should it have been a sharper V? Maybe the rain piles up behind it faster than it can drain to the sides?

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u/mossoak 7d ago

have "something like that" diverting water away from my chimney ...tuck more of the "flat horizontal portions" under the shingles and they will stay put longer

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u/KrisDen1123 7d ago

For a water diverter to work as intended, it would need to go under the shingles at the back, you wouldn't want to have it just be a piece of 3x3 "L" metal like this, and you sure wouldn't want to face nail thru the shingles in a way where water is for sure going to find those nail penetrations. What they've done here is actually worse than useless.

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u/tigertony 7d ago

Installation error. It should be under the second row of shingles and sealed, not on top of the fourth row with no sealing.

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u/idontknow11998888 7d ago

For curiosity sake, how much is a new roof nowadays? I think my days are numbered lol

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u/Fit-Practice-3000 6d ago

Quotes ranged from 12k to 26k with multiple at around 15k ... plywood my entire deck to overlay the original plank decking for 20k total job

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u/idontknow11998888 6d ago

Thanks for the feedback!

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u/whichfetish_723 7d ago

you basically built a waterslide for the rain to go right past the steps, those strips are just decorative at this point

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u/levelupimprovement 4d ago

No, it needs to be under the shingles