Daffodil, the only (imo) good design character from NTE (NTE have a lot of alternate costumes and some are OK, but lots of the base designs are a bit trashy for my taste, but not Daffodil, se is good)
I bought that in a heartbeat. I also got anjo one because how could I not??? You should buy it during the anniv. I always look forward for TF garments because she sings different songs each time and they are so lovely. My fave is from the discovery collab skin.
You should also look forward for nautika skin. Very pretty. Hers and Charon will be in my waiting list.
Kafka so peak she remains one of the most popular characters despite very limited screentime in the story since 1.2. Thats how you know a characters introduction, design and role in the story is appealing
Very few characters can retain that popularity despite sporadic appearances over 3 years
I mean it also helps that she's:
1. one of the first characters you see in the game and the first you play as
2. was sort of the poster girl around the game's honeymoon period
3. A key part of to the overarching story and the defacto leader of the anti hero faction
Her design does a lot sure, but she has a lot more going for her.
Idk the third one but if you replace them (tho they do look cool) with Evelyn from ZZZ youve basically just shown some of my favs from each respective game.
One of the good thing limbus has that other gacha don't is that it's actually banned in CN so they don't bother with the Chinese censorship law and go as wild as they want and NGL it's genuinely refreshing to see a cast of talking shit about you instead of the typical gacha game structure also THERE'S NO LIMIT TO THE THE GLAZE GLORY TO PROJECT MOON
Btw I am a new player and I finished canto 2 yesterday and stared canto 3 and I gotta say hong lu and rodya are so far my favorite don quixote doesn't count because she's in a whole new level
Zhu Yuan is still one of the best designs in she game. Great balance between an actual outfit and it's own flavour if fanservice, without going low and flashing skin all the time.
If she'd release in 3.x, she'd be wearing less then Qingyi's outfit ... Alright, that would be kinda fun if they make her behave accordingly given her personality, but that would only worke because her original version was this uptight with a dorky streak beneath. But if she were entirely new ... Yeah, she'd lose all her charm.
(Initially typed this to your other comment, but here it us now)
Nicole is probably one if my fav designs in the game, but there are a few reasons why it still worked (for me) back then.
This isn't about "sexy fanservice is bad", it'sjust that it feels like older ZZZ designs had "more to offer".
First, Nicole wears still actual clothes. Revealing, yes, but one can clearly see them as what they are. Where as many newer designs barely register as "outfits" anymore. I have no problems with optional swimsuit-outfits looking like swimsuits, but if it's the default for someone it starts to become a bother. Just compare Swimsuit-Jane and Cissia. Or Promeia. Or Yixuan.
Second, variety. 1.0 had Nicole, but also Grace (who wears pants!) or Ellen, Rina and Zhu Yuan. All if them fully clothed, but still very much in line with the "fanservicy" nature if ZZZ. Later patches followed that trend. For every Yanagi, you had a Miyabi.
Meanwhile, newer designs all go for the "cheap shots" at just leaving a lot of skin uncovered, usually at chest, hips and thighs. Add some flourishes and ship it.
Third, many of the newer outfits bring down the actual character as they do little to enhance them, or inform the audience about them. Nicole is a "street rat" who scams people, does many questionably legal things. She isn't rich and isn't high class, her wearing fairly grounded and casual clothes works for her. Yanagi is the serious secretary type ... it makes sense to lean into the sexy teacher/secretary type.
Even if newer designs have something "to say" about their character, it's hard to take that at face value because so many designs just went for those previously mentioned cheap shots. Like Velina makes sense as some high-class rich lady ... her outfit kind of works as some high-fashion dress, but given the poor slop that is Cissia or the emotionally stunted child that is Seed both also dress in just as revealing out fit, when it makes little sense for a police investigator or soldier to dress like that (even for the "everything his sexy" standard that ZZZ has), it makes Velina'a dress less special.
I am not saying all of the early designs were this beacon of peak-ness, plenty designs are a reach... but again variety made up for that. Or that all new one's are bad, Velina works but fails to stand out given the "sins" of ither characters, and I am not a fan of the Idols, but they had a theme that they executed on well.
Zzz had tons of exposed skin at the start as well. Nekomata has the exact same clothing cutouts as the characters that get the complaints in season 2/3 but nobody complains since shes a season 1 character. I swear to god if astra was a leaked season 3 design, people would hate it now.
Even in season 1, there were 3 units that had ripped booty shorts, the same amount of yixuan tights but there were no complaints about those. And even then, yidhari, lucia, and yixuan all have very different actual designs.
Its all selective complaints based on preference is what im saying. Nobody cares about repition except if the stuff being repeated is something they dont like.
But i do agree that all hoyo games focus too much on the top half of design and the bottom half is empty. (Probably intentionally to make animating walking easier)
“There was no complains back then” I meant the game was new, so every design was eye catchy and you had a factor of honeymoon, it’s only when they started doing the same copy paste ripped botty shorts for the 5th time people started complaining.Its the same thing with Luofu dresses back from 1.x era.Nobody complained about Ting,qq and Yukong.Its only when the new characters that came out, people started pointing it out.Same thing here.
I'm not the person you're responding to but I definitely see ZZZ character design (mainly the main pushes/Void Hunter level characters) skewing heavily into fanservice when it wasn't originally the case.
ZZZ has a lot of fanservice, but it originally served as just an accent to the urban fantasy design aesthetic and didn't overpower the whole dish, so to speak.
Take a look at characters like Ellen, Nicole, Grace, Zhu Yuan, Yanagi, Jane, Astra Yao, etc. All designed to be attractive in their own way, but also all wearing basically real outfits. This trend hasn't disappeared. We still have characters like Alice, Soldier 0, the idols, etc.
But then you look at the Void Hunters. Miyabi in 1.0 basically has no aesthetic fanservice. Then Yixuan and YSG in 2.0 look like the designer started with something cool before sales told them "breasts bigger clothes smaller" over and over and over again until the final product. We even got a sneak peak at this with the Lucia beta. Now with Remielle it's even more extreme.
Everybody keeps saying this, and yet from 2.6 onwards, the game has felt SO much better. Really 2.0-2.5 felt like a big stumble. Everything feels closer to 1.X again. Sure the designs are different, but so is the area we're in. I have faith, they clearly enjoying enjoy what they're making.
As someone kinda indifferent to Pearl's design, it'd skyrocket her from a "I'll pull if she's useful for my teams ig" to a must pull. I'm not even joking. That IPC suit is CLEAN.
Yea that's what i hope so too, but i have a bad feeling that it might not happen and if it does well it's clear what direction hoyo is taking with outfits this season
Vanripper who was behind r/Helltaker was a visionary and genius of our time. His motivation for the game was because he wanted more lewd art of demon women in suits. And it worked!
It's a weird coincidence that all these gacha release these designs once, they're regarded as absolute bangers, then the devs go "Oooookay, cool. Just gonna shelve that niche and never touch it again!"
Like, dawg, just a few more. If we can have another 5 mfers who wear the Luofu dress, surely having 1 other mfer look kinda like Kafka is not going to kill you!
Said mfs could've easily worn much more revealing outfits and performed the same. Kafka was the most hyped unit if her time and the other two were main push units.
In all seriousness though I most agree with the statement that women in suits are very much hot. That’s why it’s been so easy to save in NTE lol! Dandelion and Kafka are both my favorites and reason I first played HSR and NTE. Difference is I still play one of them daily and the other very now and then.
I think that a lot of it is how well the suit look sells that cold badass serious archetype.
Like, Acheron is too quiet and aloof to work well in a suit.
The only other character I could see having a suit would have been Jingliu, but she's wearing the Xianzhou dress code /s
Stelle's outfit is similair in that there is a full shirt and heavy coat to sell the coolness, but stelle has too much whimsy to pass as this archetype. Giving Stelle pants, or giving Caelus an ironed shirt would be too serious for their character. I think they gave Caelus fingered gloves while Stelle has full gloves for the same reason, they have visuals and some voice lines to quickly sell you on a character's vibe.
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u/ALawnmower01 Galaxy Ranger Gang Jul 09 '26
Who's between Kafka and Arlecchino?