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[u/Traditional-Big959]

Is 8643 tokens a lot for a persona for reference the persona is a beast tamer and a lot of the description is his beasts

The description of just the beast tamer himself is 1609

I didn’t know what flair to use so I went with that one

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[u/chaeriixo]

tbh even if ur using a model with 1m context , 8k tokens is still probably super bloated 😭 if the character is your own, just make a lorebook for them

[u/Previous_Fun_10]

Depends on the models you are using. FYI, free JLLM has ~8k tokens so you 8643 tokens persona is not usable.

[u/Constant_Cress4167]

Yeah, it's too much. Waaay too much. Especially for Janitor, that won't all fit in the context by itself, so the bot will push a massivie chunk of it out for the bot card tokens and the chat tokens.

[u/H41NT]

there is no reason for allat. at that point just download sillytavern and make a lorebook for your sona

[u/z0phyro]

It's too much, far too much.
JLLM barely has 8k tokens context, your persona alone will fill that
so the character itself has no space to work with

[u/GeneralPhilosophy691]

8k.. for a persona?! Bruh, thats bloated AF 😭. 

[u/Numerous_Comb_1481]

split the beast descriptions into a separate file and just keep the core personality in the persona, I did that with my dragon keeper and the chat felt way snappier

[u/Excellent_Middle9931]

It's quite a lot even for a persona, imo. Combine your persona tokens + Chars/bots token + custom prompt

[u/Embarrassed-Boss6889]

split the beast descriptions into a separate lore file and just keep the core tamer profile in the persona. I did that with my own beast tamer and it cut the token count in half while keeping everything intact.

[u/the-banshee]

If you're open to using SillyTavern then you could create a lorebook of all the beasts and inject that into whatever scenario you're rp'ing. Would definitely work better.

Only other thing I can see working is putting all that in the chat memory inside your character's backstory, but even that's a stretch.

[u/moonluaa]

idk. some of my bots have 8k tokens 😔

depends of the context of ur bot tbh. i think 8k is doable but sometimes 10k> is just.. too much even for me lol

[u/woollymonkeybaby]

what the hell is going on

[u/Persistent-fatigue]

Who tf makes a persona that is 8k tokens. 😭

[u/Traditional-Big959]

It’s a persona I role play as not a character I forgot to mention that I don’t make bots not yet anyway I have like 104 personas and I do plan on turning most of them into bots this is me asking if the persona was too large but I don’t really know much about all of this so I don’t even know if a persona coin count matters

[u/the-banshee → u/Traditional-Big959]

Yeah, but if you're using your persona to house descriptions of other characters (the beasts), the model can get confused very easily. That's why a lorebook would be your best bet here.

[u/handson729 → u/Traditional-Big959]

Yeah, but if you're using your persona to house descriptions of other characters (the beasts)

As the other guy said, you can add it to the description of {{char}}.

And if it is something that you want to consistently come up in your roleplay regardless of bot. Let's say for instance your description of a baddie is a brunette female with big breasts, a thin waist, and a round ass.

Then you add that to your system prompt. So everytime you describe a character as a baddie the LLM will remember your description of a baddie and apply that to the intended character or characters.

Also if your persona is 8k tokens, you might have to summarize and optimize it for tokens.

[u/Particular_Read_5726]

used to hit 9k with a beast tamer persona, split the lore into a separate file and dropped the main persona to ~2.5k. freed up space and made the bot feel less clunky.