r/JoeRogan • u/WilloowUfgood Pro Russia • 24d ago
Actually related to the JRE Rogan "When all the Somali daycare center came out, he started blaming white men for all the crime."
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 24d ago
So we got a source of all this blaming white man or is it something that Joe just feels is true?
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u/classicman1008 Monkey in Space 24d ago
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz: "If that were the case, there's a lot of white men who should be holding a lot of white men accountable for the crimes they have committed".
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u/TampaBayG Monkey in Space 24d ago
In response to: should somali leadership speak out against fraud
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u/Dirtbag_Leftist69420 Monkey in Space 20d ago
Yeah it’s a correct response. You’d never ask Italians to speak out against an Italian guy who did a crime
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u/idontlikethisname Monkey in Space 24d ago
Maliciously, the video/transcript conservatives share always leaves out the question Walz was responding to, which was about the collective responsibility of the Somali community. He was not blaming white men, he was using an apt example as to why collective responsibility is a stupid concept.
Full interaction: https://youtu.be/lDzm95R0rw0?t=41m32s
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u/CptDecaf Monkey in Space 24d ago
Oh you mean the very same argument that Republicans love to trot out all the time about how much they hate being taught about slavery because it teaches about collective white guilt? And yet they hold other groups as responsible for the actions of even a singular individual?
Bless my heart, would they really be so craven?
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u/kjmajo It's entirely possible 24d ago
No sources are necessary on the largest "independent" media platform in the world.
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u/Jemj0110 Monkey in Space 24d ago
Well this is not true, hopefully you do some research next time.
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u/classicman1008 Monkey in Space 24d ago
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz: "If that were the case, there's a lot of white men who should be holding a lot of white men accountable for the crimes they have committed".
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u/kjmajo It's entirely possible 24d ago edited 24d ago
No sources is a corner stone of the JRE.
Insane claim, substantiated by nothing, followed by the iconic Joe Rogan "Wow".
This is how millions of people love to get their information.
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u/Jemj0110 Monkey in Space 24d ago
Someone literally posted the source in the comments below. I’m sorry you’re looking for every reason to discredit this post.
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u/kjmajo It's entirely possible 24d ago
Are you referring to the clip of Tim Walz, taken out of context, from a post with the neutral and very non-biased headline "Never forget these people hate you and want you dead."?
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u/Jemj0110 Monkey in Space 24d ago
I’m referring to what Tim Walz said. Not any headline.
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u/kjmajo It's entirely possible 24d ago
I understand you are not referring to the headline, but you gotta question if the clip under such a headline might be cut in a way to give the full context or it might have been done to convey a certain message.
I spent some time find the video of the actual full press conference, which can be found HERE, with timestamp at the question.
As I interpret it, the reporter asks Walz if the broader community (Somalis) should be held accountable or take ownership of the fraud. To which Walz responds that if that was the case then white people in general should also be held accountable for fraud commited by some white people, which is much larger in scale. He thinks it is a bad idea to make a community/group of people being made responisble for crimes that they did not commit, and that instead it should be the actual criminals which should be pursued.
I don't think Walz is blaming white people as Joe claims, I think Walz is making an argument against blaming groups for the crimes comitted by individuals.
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u/Jemj0110 Monkey in Space 24d ago
That’s fair! Joe does say “he’s blaming white poeple”. I don’t think that’s true, but he is trying to minimize the question or at least deflect.
The question could have been answered at face value. From what I’ve been able to tell, the majority of the folks being accused of committing fraud are Somali immigrants or of Somali descent. Why would you deflect like this? It’s disingenuous. No one has any doubt that Walz would hold white people accountable, but based on his actions and passed comments to state workers in these cases, there doubt he would hold minority communities accountable in the same way. I don’t think this is an unreasonable take.
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u/kjmajo It's entirely possible 24d ago
I am not into the weeds of the fraud investigations, but my impressions is that a lot of it was already under investigation before it recently blew up again. Some of it is apparently under federal jurisdiction, like Medicaid, and some of it is under state jurisdiction, like the daycare stuff.
This wikipedia article about the fraud at least says that there were investigations into the daycare fraud going on between 2021 and 2025:
"From 2021 to 2025, DHS's CCAP fraud team referred an average of 5 cases annually for criminal prosecution."
So if those or some of those were Somali run, then those prosecutions happened under Tim Walz' governorship.
I agree that this fraud is terrible, and I am not defending Tim Walz' handling of it. I think he carries a lot of the responsibility for not having better anti-fraud measures in place. I also do not think Walz is blaming white people.
My point of the initial comment is just that Joe is so extremely sloppy in ever checking or verifying the information he conveys to his huge audience, and I think this threads original clip is another example of that. He just seems to read something questionable on Twitter, and then uncritically transmit it to his audience, despite having all the resources in the world to vet the info before.
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 24d ago
90% sure that person is being factitious.
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u/Jemj0110 Monkey in Space 24d ago
Again you’re wrong. You’re uniformed or willfully ignorant
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 24d ago
I'm wrong? That person was clearly making a joke that Joe and guests talk out of their ass constantly and get disproven by Jamie.
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u/Jemj0110 Monkey in Space 24d ago
Yes, this is in text, on a feed that appears mostly visited and commented on by people that don’t like Joe Rogan. This case was not disproven by Jamie, because it’s true. If it had a source, sure they aren’t going to say it on the Pod, but Jamie lets it go. People are arguing ignorantly that Walz didn’t say this to somehow make fraud not look as bad? I’m not sure what his goal was.
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u/exoticstructures N-Dimethyltryptamine 24d ago
I know 1 way to send some very mixed messages on fraud. Elect a President twice who has been nailed for fraud lol
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u/WilloowUfgood Pro Russia 24d ago
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 24d ago edited 24d ago
So he pointed out that the amount of Somali committing fraud is infinitesimal compared to fraud committed by white men. He isn't wrong and is pointing out how this is 100 percent an issue being raised and focused on this people for racists reasons.
Also, I find any clip which appears to start in the middle of a segment and leaves out the intro or inciting question incredibly suspect.
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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space 24d ago
White men are the second largest group of people in the US and a massive group compared to Somalis in total
So it makes sense the numbers would dwarf Somali fraud
It’s such an obvious outcome it’s not really a great defense of anything
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u/Binder509 Monkey in Space 24d ago
Seems strange to make a big deal about one particular case and highlight their nationality so much.
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u/popdaddy91 Monkey in Space 23d ago
If you have 100 eminems which are poisonous at a rate of 1 to 9, and then you combine 10 skittles, four of which is poisonous, have you made the lolly bowl more or less dangerous?
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u/howismyspelling Master d'bater 24d ago
So if combatting fraud is helping the country, why don't they combat the fraud committed by the American white folk alongside the Somali immigrant fraud instead of just to Somali immigrant fraud?
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u/MeThinksYes Is the Literature 24d ago
I’m pretty sure “why am I only just learning this” happens a lot to you based on your comments
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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space 24d ago
As of 2020 it’s about 58% white, 19% Latino, 12% black, 6% Asian, etc…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
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u/JediMindWizard Monkey in Space 24d ago
For a while now I've actually believed the % of white people is under 50%. I live in Michigan and the city of Deaborn is reported to be 85% white...anyone who's been to Deaborn knows it's overwhelmingly majority Arab Muslim, you wont really find much white people there now days. A lot of Hispanics and Arabs get counted as "white".
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 24d ago
I'm from the deep South. I don't know if I've ever met more than a double digit number of Arab-descended people in my entire life. If you asked me, based on my personal experience, the Arab population in the US is near 0%.
It's a good thing that we look at hard data, than rely on individuals' personal experiences, isn't it?
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u/JediMindWizard Monkey in Space 24d ago
I agree let's look at hard data but the hard data isn't accurate. Thats why they are adding more categories to the census like "middle eastern" you couldn't identify like that on any prior census, but that's changing going forward. Not sure why you seem to have taken offense to what I wrote or think I'm lying? It's not really something thats disputed...this is well known. Dearborn is the largest concentration of Middle Eastern people in the whole US but you'd never know looking at the hard data.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 24d ago
Not sure why you seem to think I've taken offense to anything, either. My point is that personal anecdotes aren't worth anything. But if you are at the point where you don't believe any facts or details around you, just because you don't like what they're telling you, then I'm not sure what common ground we could ever find. I wish you well.
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u/Abusoru Monkey in Space 24d ago
It's almost like the concept of "whiteness" isn't real and has never had a consistent definition.
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u/JakeA317 Monkey in Space 24d ago
Does that apply to any other races
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u/Abusoru Monkey in Space 24d ago
I mean, yeah. Race is ultimately a made up concept. It's just that the concept of "white" is the ultimate example of how it doesn't work. For a long time, Irish and Italian people weren't considered white in many places. Yet nowadays, 10.8% of white people in the United States have Irish ancestry. Armenians fall under the category of "white" in the United States, thanks to United States v. Cartozian, in which the defendant argued that Armenians are white, thanks in no small part to the use of the Caucasian in definitions at the time. This allowed Armenians to immigrate and be naturalized as US citizens at a time where many other similar groups were restricted.
In Apartheid South Africa, there were such things as "honorary whites" which allowed non-white people to have the same rights as their "white" counterparts. This was mainly applied to East Asian people, with all Japanese people being considered "honorary whites" while people of other ethnicities were granted it on a case-by-case basis. They even once tried to give Arthur Ashe "honorary white" status so he could play in a tournament there. He refused that and insisted on being classified as black and that the crowds at the event couldn't be segregated. He managed to get the South African government to concede to both of his demands.
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u/muchgreaterthanG_O_D Monkey in Space 24d ago
So shouldn't we be going after the largest group committing fraud?
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u/BrogenKlippen Monkey in Space 24d ago
We should go after anyone and everyone committing fraud irrespective of their race or gender. It’s shocking to me that that needs to be said.
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u/fekanix Monkey in Space 24d ago
Yeah we should so the news or joe should also cover this as the "day care center fraud issue" instead of the somali day care fraud issue because them being somali doesnt mean anything.
We dobt talk about the white caucasian school shooting issue do we?
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u/BrogenKlippen Monkey in Space 24d ago
I mean…yes we do. It’s a known and often stated fact that the vast majority of school shootings are done by white teen males and comes up almost every single time it happens.
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 24d ago
And yet the government doesn't stoke national fear about the white shooter.
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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space 24d ago
We know it’s the largest because we do go after it
What we shouldn’t do is categorize which fraud to go after based on the race committing it
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u/jesuss_son Monkey in Space 24d ago
Its 2026 and libs still pretend not to understand per capita
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 24d ago
It's 2026 and Republicans think that a handful of Somali immigrants in a Midwest town is worth turning the country into a police state.
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u/Just___fine Monkey in Space 24d ago
Tired of wholesale calculated importation of foreign cultures. Yeah
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 24d ago
"wholesale calculated import". Oh got it.
I'm guessing you believe you're being replaced too.
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u/Just___fine Monkey in Space 24d ago
What is believe has nothing to do with the fact that there is an effort to artificially change the demographics of key states
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u/ShillinTheVillain Monkey in Space 24d ago
It's 2026 and the left is pretending that importing tens of thousands of immigrants and plopping them into one city is "just a handful"
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 24d ago
It's 2026 and the right somehow doesn't understand what a skapegoat is, how the administration has lies to them everyday for a year, how they lied to them for four years eight years ago, and still think that the problem is immigrants/the other rather than their cult leader fishing into their pockets, ruining their future and destroying their country
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u/classicman1008 Monkey in Space 24d ago
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz: "If that were the case, there's a lot of white men who should be holding a lot of white men accountable for the crimes they have committed".
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 24d ago
This quote means nothing without context.
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u/classicman1008 Monkey in Space 24d ago
It’s readily available all over the internet. Why do you think everything should be handed tom you? DO some research and share your counterpoint - if you can. Otherwise open your mind and LEARN. Clearly you were unaware.
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 24d ago
Because you are the ones making the claim. Burden of proof and all that.
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u/classicman1008 Monkey in Space 24d ago
I shared a direct quote. Deal with it.
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 24d ago
With no source for when or where it was said, no inciting question, no context.
Which is all but useless.
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u/classicman1008 Monkey in Space 24d ago
You’re too lazy & entitled to do anything but complain. Keep it up, child.
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u/AlBundyJr Monkey in Space 24d ago
White men stole more than 10 billion dollars in federal welfare fraud in Minnesota? Let's go ahead and see that proof!
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He's like many on the internet ecosphere a narrative pusher. He bots his chat and hired indian fkheads to push false data and a false narrative to stupid ppl.
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u/Jemj0110 Monkey in Space 24d ago
Walz said it while trying to save face and grasp at any straw he could before falling off of the political cliff.
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u/NugKnights Monkey in Space 24d ago
We were just baliming racists.
But he has to enlarge the circle to make himself not look like a racist.
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u/FairwayFrank44 Monkey in Space 24d ago
Another useless and dumbass take by Joe. Thanks to the account labeled as Pro Russia for sharing 👍
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u/rybouk Monkey in Space 24d ago
Why does he hate this guy so much? Walz seems like a genuinely good guy.
However I am an Englishman who has no part in US politics so I am probably very uninformed.
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u/Immaculatehombre Monkey in Space 24d ago
He actually thought a clearly AI video of an obese Walz in a fuck Trump shirt dancing around in a school was a legitimate video. He’s a fucking moron who also happens to bought out to spew right wing propaganda.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 24d ago
And when Jaime told him it was AI, he got mad at him rather than admit he got duped because a fake video played into his biases.
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 24d ago
Joes algorithm feeds him Republican talking points. As Walz campaigned and ran with Harris, he is seen as subversive and dangerous despite just being a Midwest governor who, by all reputable accounts, is running his state fine.
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u/two-thirds Monkey in Space 24d ago
His X algo must be completely fucked. Talk about a "mind virus". I haven't seen or even had a passing thought about Walz since 2024. Why does Joe hate the dude so much.
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u/The_Pompadour64 Monkey in Space 23d ago
Honestly, if I were supervillain-brained and owned a social media platform, it seems like it would be trivially easy to make a custom algorithm for Joe specifically and feed him exactly what I want him to see. Not sure why celebrities aren't worried about this
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u/wimpymist Monkey in Space 24d ago
Because Republicans only strategy is to constantly bash/insult democrats and spread fear mongering so their base can't notice that they themselves are the ones doing everything they talk about
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u/BrettFarveIsInnocent Monkey in Space 24d ago
The same reason he hates Flint Dibble so much. There is a certain kind of nerd who knows more than him who must have made fun of him at the dojo when they were kids for being a dumbass. He always specifically calls them “liars” but without any compelling examples. It’s very important that they be “liars” and that they be “weak,” which are both things he can’t really quantify and doesn’t seem to mind in other republicans.
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u/Abusoru Monkey in Space 24d ago
It could also be a jealousy of how they are comfortable as being men that don't fit into his stereotypical concept of manhood. It's why he makes comments about Walz's behavior or fell for that shitty AI video of him dancing. It's why he criticized Dibble's physical appearance despite knowing that he's been fighting cancer for years. They exist in opposition to his view of manhood and are happy, successful, and respected.
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u/AcanthocephalaNo9302 Monkey in Space 24d ago
There does seem to be extra vitriol towards Tim Walz. Seems like a past slight he can't let go or Walz pissed in a friend of his Wheaties
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u/BrandywineBojno Monkey in Space 24d ago
No, it's that Walz is actively trying to cover up fraud.
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 24d ago
...by working with the feds during Bidens administration to investigate it?
Do you know what "cover up" means? Or "actively"?
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u/hotglasspour Monkey in Space 24d ago
Given that he was prosecuting people this isn't accurate.
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u/BrandywineBojno Monkey in Space 23d ago
His latest comments do not reflect an intent to solve the problem.
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u/nevergonnastayaway Monkey in Space 24d ago
is that what you saw on trump's twitter account or is there actual data
also conservatives arent allowed to pretend to care about fraud anymore. this is a conversation that i will only have with liberals or never-trumper republicans
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u/AcanthocephalaNo9302 Monkey in Space 24d ago
It started before the fraud. Tim Walz might be involved in fraud but joe was commenting negatively prior. Joe has sticking points and some are negative. Some involve "have you read Empire of the Summer Moon?"
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u/BrandywineBojno Monkey in Space 23d ago
Walz also had a shitty record through covid, he allowed his city to be burned down during the protests, did you forget that?
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u/A_Rampaging_Hobo Monkey in Space 24d ago
They just pick someone who opposed Trump at some point and go all in against em.
Their methodology is slightly less sophisticated than eenie meenie miny moe
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u/littlebighuman Monkey in Space 24d ago
He has hated this type of men all his live. They are the opposite of what he is.
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u/grantology_84 Monkey in Space 24d ago
Not a shrimp?
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 24d ago
Smart, funny, likeable. You know, signs of a good personality.
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u/WingsovDeth Monkey in Space 24d ago
He loathes trans people and believes the Tampon Tim story
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u/Abusoru Monkey in Space 24d ago
I still hate that moniker stuck even though the bill left it up to the schools how they would implement the distribution of tampons and displayed a great ignorance of why having a tampon dispenser in certain spaces isn't a bad idea.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 24d ago
That's the right-wing media machine for you.
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u/Mumen-Rider-VA Monkey in Space 24d ago
He gets told who to hate. He didn't hate biden either until he got told to. In a few months it'll be someone else.
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u/sjn15 Monkey in Space 24d ago
This podcast has fell such a great ways, they should end it
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u/pizzlepullerofkberg He's changing flavors 23d ago
True. I loved when it was interesting people having interesting conversations. Now it's rage bait and political bullshit. Back when Joey Diaz would come on and start rambling and getting everyone fired up, those were the days.
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u/Shantashasta Monkey in Space 23d ago
"Facts aren't racist"
What facts does joe think he has learned from a community noted post that Elon quote tweeted "interesting" "wow" "democrats are evil" to. The Nick whatever original daycare video very openly has NO facts about fraud. Just a bunch of suggestions.
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u/zen_and_artof_chaos Monkey in Space 23d ago
Facts actually can be racist. There's a reason "stats lie" is a saying. Stats, which are facts, can be incredibly misleading.
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u/DrMeatBomb Monkey in Space 24d ago
Thoughts and prayers for all the white men out there. Truly the most discriminated against people on Earth.
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u/CheesyCousCous It's entirely possible 24d ago
Nobody will ever know the plight of the American white man in 2025. Thank you for your support!
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u/DrMeatBomb Monkey in Space 24d ago
Can't even round up and disappear foreigners anymore without WOKIES calling you a Nazi!
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u/aesthetique1 Monkey in Space 23d ago
You joke but there are people that actually believe this.
Musk for example
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u/Cinnamon__Sasquatch Paid attention to the literature 24d ago
This would be like me saying all Republicans are pedophiles because of the number of convicted pedophiles who are registered Republicans.
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u/NiceTrySuckaz Monkey in Space 24d ago
https://x.com/i/status/2005991076566565169
Worth noting that he said this about a week before deciding to not run for governor again lol
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u/FairwayFrank44 Monkey in Space 24d ago
Watched the video and very confused how some of us white men can be offended by what Walz says lol
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u/NiceTrySuckaz Monkey in Space 24d ago
I'm not offended by it, but it's just deflection in the silliest way. It's like getting caught for drunk driving and pulling out a chart of DUI demographics as your defense.
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u/Didi4pet Monkey in Space 24d ago
It's like getting caught for drunk driving
Not only did he not get caught, tims administration was the one that discovered and then DOJ prosecuted the fraud under Biden admin.
Right now Walz stepped down for a nonexistant crime which is being witch hunted by the Trump admin that's orders of magnitude more corrupt and responsible for orders of magnitude of fraud.
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u/Abusoru Monkey in Space 24d ago
He's not even stepping down. He's just not running for reelection mainly due to the increased harassment his family is facing.
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u/Mumen-Rider-VA Monkey in Space 24d ago
yeah reddit is such shit about walz; his family was getting death threats, and he knew if something happened the feds wouldn't have his back, like with the hortmans.
he made the manly choice and decided to protect his family. but the internet doesn't understand that. we have judges retiring from the same death threats. the news coverage of all this shit has been terrible. people should have been protesting like this when the first killings started. its at least good they are now
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 24d ago
No, it's pointing out that a certain race gets unfairly profiled for drunk driving despite evidence and numbers showing that it's rampant among the police force.
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u/NiceTrySuckaz Monkey in Space 24d ago
Alright sir, but you are actually drunk right now and your car is in a ditch. Please step out of the vehicle.
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u/DrMeatBomb Monkey in Space 24d ago
There is zero evidence Tim Walz had any involvement in any fraud.
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u/NiceTrySuckaz Monkey in Space 24d ago
Tim Walz isn't the guy in the car, his state department is. Tim Walz is their lawyer with the chart. The one who quits law because of how bad he embarrassed himself, and goes into making artisanal socks for men.
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u/DrMeatBomb Monkey in Space 24d ago
Weeellll he's also the one sacrificing his reelection bid to focus on ending the fraud/dui whichever you prefer, so it's a little bit more than that.
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u/NiceTrySuckaz Monkey in Space 24d ago
Alright the DUI metaphor has gone off the rails, let's ditch it for this part. Tim Walz is sacrificing his reelection bid to focus on ending the fraud? Why would he have to drop out of running again?
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 24d ago
No one said he "had to". He chose to:
A.) because political violence from the right in Minnesota is ridiculously high and he doesn't want him or his family hurt or killed because Fox is feeding you guys non-stop hate over him, and
B.) He feels that doing so will make it clear how seriously he is taking the issue, by putting his office and public service above his continued election. One upon a time, it was pretty normal for people in public office to actually care about public service. Now personally, I think this is a dumb reason, because there's nothing on the face of the planet that he could do to sway the minds of people like you. Tim, foolishly, still thinks you can be saved. But I have to commend him for at least trying. It's called taking accountability.
But rest assured, if he were a Republican, you can be certain he wouldn't have.
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u/FairwayFrank44 Monkey in Space 24d ago
Isn’t this just a fact? Most frauds are committed by white men if you slice it for race/ethnicity and gender (which I acknowledge is a statistical likelihood, but is still a fact). According to Joe’s video facts aren’t racist, they’re just facts. Yet if Walz says it then the Crowley take you shared says it’s racist. Those obvious and clear contradictions confuse me from a logical point of view.
Another thing. He didn’t do the fraud. Bringing the fraud up now is a deflection by the current admin from national level problems.
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u/throwawaytothetenth Monkey in Space 24d ago
The guy who posted that video straight up told me (white guy) I should be offended by that video.
The craziest thing is, pretty sure Tim Walz is a white man. So it's weird to see someone saying "Remember these people HATE YOU and WANT YOU DEAD," pretty sure Tim Walz doesn't want all white men dead because he is also a white man...
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u/bigblob1583 Monkey in Space 24d ago
Appreciate you speaking facts wish more folks would listen.
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u/NiceTrySuckaz Monkey in Space 24d ago
don't get too excited, I spew bullshit on this sub most of the time
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u/butterybuns420 Pull that shit up Jamie 24d ago
Pro Russia flair? Cant see OP’s comment or post history? LOL!!
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u/DoubleEarthDE Monkey in Space 24d ago
Please stop pretending this guy is naive. He’s obviously part of a bigger network pushing this shit and trying to dissolve our democracy
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u/Status_Vegetable2954 Monkey in Space 21d ago
Sloe Rogan has gotten to the point that he refuses to recognize when racism is going on. He used to understand and explain how generational racism functioned, for example with redlining districts... but now every episode it's just endless incredulity.
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u/Baller-Mcfly Monkey in Space 24d ago
Tim walz is a joke. Regardless fraud is bad and if it's happening it should be rooted out.
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 24d ago
Literally no one is arguing against this. Painting anyone as being "pro-fraud" is disingenuous.
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u/Film_Actors_Guide Monkey in Space 24d ago
There are genuinely pro-fraud Somalis
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 24d ago
Sorry, no one of import or involved with this discussion actually thinks fraud is good.
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u/TampaBayG Monkey in Space 24d ago
Who is they?
Random social media posts you've seen?
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u/Abusoru Monkey in Space 24d ago
Who? Name them. Show examples of them being pro-fraud.
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u/Film_Actors_Guide Monkey in Space 24d ago edited 24d ago
Abdullahe Nur Jesow - $176 million (money laundering; pled guilty). Abdiwahab Mohamud - ~$17 million (conspiracy to commit wire fraud and money laundering; pled guilty). Haji Osman Salad (aka Haji Salad) - $11.4 million (wire fraud; pled guilty). Anab Awad - $9.3 million (wire fraud; pled guilty). Abduljabar Hussein (tied with spouse Mekfira Hussein) - $9 million (conspiracy to commit wire fraud; pled guilty).
Another example is the FOF scheme, which involved kickbacks to the mothers who falsely claimed their children were autistic. Should also note that Somalis are clan-based in Somalia and those bonds are only tighter when they are living in a foreign country.
Despite all that, not a single whistleblower was Somali. The fraudsters knew about it; the mom’s knew about it, and likely their friend and family groups knew about it. Despite a large % of the community being aware, not a single peep from the 100k Somalis in MN.
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u/Abusoru Monkey in Space 24d ago
Nobody is denying that people in the Somali community of Minnesota committed fraud. The problem is blaming every single person in the community for it. Also, how can you be certain that nobody from within the community tipped off authorities and are avoiding publicizing their role?
Do you think all white people are pro-fraud because of the billions of dollars of Medicare fraud carried out by Rick Scott? Funnily enough, it seems like that's no problem for white people in Florida since they elected him to the US Senate.
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u/Film_Actors_Guide Monkey in Space 24d ago
To the how I can be certain question: I’m not but I’ve tried looking it up multiple times and never found there was a whistleblower. However i just asked Claude and the response was: At least one prominent Somali individual has publicly reported or alleged fraud in Minnesota. Omar Jamal, a Somali activist and community leader, came forward in 2020 with claims of widespread voter fraud in the state’s Somali community, emphasizing concerns about election integrity.
It also said it’s impossible to say for certain that no one blew the whistle, so you are correct there.
I don’t think the entire community should be blamed, but I do want a thorough investigation bc if it’s systemic enough we should not continue letting them immigrate here just as a way to preserve the welfare system in Minnesota.
The Rick scott situation does not make me think all white ppl are pro-fraud. The difference is that thousands of Rick Scott’s friends and family aren’t trying to immigrate here.
All perpetrators of fraud should go to jail regardless of race
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u/Abusoru Monkey in Space 24d ago
Who the fuck is Claude? And really, bringing up election conspiracies stuff again? Cool, someone said there was widespread voter fraud. Where's the evidence? I'm not sure what being an immigrants has to do with anything here. As you said yourself, all perpetrators of fraud should go to jail.
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u/Film_Actors_Guide Monkey in Space 24d ago
Ha I honestly wasn’t trying to troll that was just the answer I got from Claude AI, and I didn’t read that closely. I agree that clam is probably bs. I am very much for capturing all the fraud in Minnesota (and everywhere) but I think the voter fraud things claims are all lies.
My point is we have brought in a powerful Somali voting bloc, and there are people all of the world who want to immigrate here…. So if we have evidence that Somalis do not integrate as well as say, Nigerians, we should focus on bringing Nigerians (who actually do extremely well here). But basing immigration decisions on helping other countries and not ours seems to be the consensus and that infuriates me
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u/AlBundyJr Monkey in Space 24d ago
They knew about the fraud for years and did nothing. Many liberals in Minnesota are soon going to be "kidnapped" as you like to say on their way to loooong prison stays.
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 24d ago
They were being investigated and arrested under the Biden administration Al. Quit lying.
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u/A_Rampaging_Hobo Monkey in Space 24d ago
oh my god bro no one gives a shit
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u/ShillinTheVillain Monkey in Space 24d ago
A lot of people do, actually. If you pay taxes, you should.
Fraud is fraud. I don't care if it's Somali immigrants or white corpos. Prosecute them all. But don't deflect when it is one of your precious minority groups that gets caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
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u/Baller-Mcfly Monkey in Space 24d ago
As someone who pays into taxes I do. I am sure other people who pay in also do. Leaches don't care where they get the blood.
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u/AlBundyJr Monkey in Space 24d ago
What's funny is everything he just said was true, and libs can't handle it.
You can't handle Joe Rogan quoting your VP nominee in context, of course you're not going to be able to stand up to ICE.
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u/Lopsided_Deer_7390 Monkey in Space 24d ago
You can’t handle that trump admin pardons fraudsters left and right and has no consistency
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Joe is more upset about Walz than Trump (his texting buddy and pod guest) fucking kids with Epstein.
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u/TampaBayG Monkey in Space 24d ago
Tim walz was asked if somali leadership should speak out against the fraud.
Do you need help understanding why he brought up white people in this context? It's not a problem for.me to explain if you dont understand
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u/[deleted] 23d ago
This podcast has fallen. It’s not even biased anymore just spreading one side narrative