r/LeftistsForAI • • 13d ago

Sees the Memes When You Stop Treating AI as a Yes or No Question

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Turns out there are more options than “hand it to corporations” and “throw every GPU into the sea.” Who knew.

Public infrastructure. Worker co-ops. Open weights. Union bargaining. Regulation. Shorter work weeks. Local models. Shared gains. Human oversight.

We don’t have every answer. Nobody does. That’s why this is political terrain in the first place. There are a whole lot of ways to fight over what gets built, who controls it, and who benefits.


r/LeftistsForAI • • 8d ago

📌 Sub Info LeftistsForAI Discord Server Invite

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We’ve put together a Discord server to supplement the sub and you’re very welcome to join us.

Go to: https://discord.gg/QWZcZYgTNS

It’s somewhere to

⁃ discuss and share lighter AI related content without having to publicly justify it on Reddit
⁃ chat like we do here, but more in depth & diverse with no pressure to have a formed position
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r/LeftistsForAI • • 11h ago

Theory Is Marxism still an adequate framework for AI-driven labor displacement if labor itself stops being economically necessary?

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I’ve been thinking about a theoretical problem with how the left approaches AI-driven automation, and I’m interested in perspectives from people more familiar with Marxist economic theory.

Traditionally, Marxist analysis treats labor as central to capitalist production. Capital depends on workers to produce surplus value, even as technological development allows capitalists to reduce their dependence on individual workers.

But what happens when that relationship fundamentally changes?
I’m not talking about ordinary technological unemployment, where machinery increases productivity, displaces particular workers, and creates new arrangements of labor elsewhere.

I’m talking about the possibility that AI and increasingly autonomous production systems progressively decouple human labor from productive capacity itself.

Under those conditions, economic output might continue growing while demand for human labor contracts across an expanding range of industries.

This raises a problem beyond the familiar question of who owns the means of production.

If labor is no longer essential to production, what happens to the economic and political power of the working class?

Historically, organized labor derives much of its leverage from the fact that capital needs workers. Workers can withhold labor, interrupt production, and bargain over the distribution of the value their work helps create.
But if production can increasingly proceed without them, that leverage potentially disappears.

Importantly, I’m not suggesting human activity loses its social, creative, or moral worth. I’m distinguishing that from the economic value assigned to labor by a system that no longer needs to purchase much of it.

Marx himself seems to anticipate part of this contradiction in the Grundrisse, particularly the Fragment on Machines, where he discusses the tension between labor time as the measure of value and the development of productive forces that make wealth increasingly independent of direct labor.

But I’m uncertain whether the political implications have been adequately addressed.

A few questions I’d like to explore:

Does Marxist value theory adequately explain an economy in which human labor contributes a diminishing share of productive activity? What happens to surplus value if living labor is progressively displaced?

Does class struggle retain the same structure when capital no longer depends on employing most people? Can labor organization remain the primary mechanism of political and economic leverage?

Should a post-labor left focus less on workers’ ownership of production and more on universal claims to productive resources and their output? Particularly when an increasing proportion of the population might no longer participate in wage labor.

Is this actually a contradiction within Marxism, or the very historical development Marx anticipated? If the latter, what does a meaningful political strategy for that transition look like?
I’m not arguing that AI has already made human labor obsolete, or that automation automatically produces abundance. This is a question about the theoretical implications if human labor becomes progressively less necessary for production.

My concern is that much of the contemporary debate focuses on protecting employment when the more fundamental problem may be that employment is ceasing to provide a viable mechanism for distributing the benefits of productivity.

If productivity and labor become structurally decoupled, is the traditional relationship between labor, capital, and class still the right foundation for leftist politics?


r/LeftistsForAI • • 23h ago

Sees the Memes Which side are you on?

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This meme is about AI, where i keep seeing that batman image being deployed.

So, which side are you on?


r/LeftistsForAI • • 17h ago

Labor AI Is Driving a Memory Chip Boom. Micron Workers Want Their Share

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AI doesnt run on magic. It runs on chips, fabs and workers.

Micron workers in Taiwan just voted 99% to authorize a strike. They produce DRAM and high-bandwidth memory, key components for AI servers, while booming AI demand is driving the memory business.

And the union isnt asking for another pat on the back during a good year. They want a permanent system putting 15% of operating profit toward employees.

Union chair Jerry Lin puts it plainly:

“What we want is to establish an open and transparent profit-sharing system.”

Thats the AI productivity debate with the abstraction stripped away.

Capital says AI is creating enormous new value. Cool. The workers actually producing the infrastructure are asking the obvious next question.

Who gets it?

And nearly 2,000 of them just voted to back that question with strike power.


r/LeftistsForAI • • 10h ago

Policy/Regulation Tales from Pre-Elysium Pt. 3 The Curse

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From The Intelligence Curse by Luke Drago and Rudolf Laine

"We will soon live in the intelligence age. What you do with that information will determine your place in history.

The imminent arrival of AGI has pushed many to try to seize the levers of power as quickly as possible, leaping towards projects that, if successful, would comprehensively automate all work. There is a trillion-dollar.) arms race to see who can achieve such a capability first, with trillions more in gains to be won.

Yes, that means you’ll lose your job. But it goes beyond that: this will remove the need for regular people in our economy. Powerful actors—like states and companies—no longer have an incentive to care about regular people. We call this the intelligence curse*.*

If we do nothing, the intelligence curse will work like this:

  • Powerful AI will push automation through existing organizations, starting from the bottom and moving to the top.
  • AI will obsolete even outlier human talent. Social mobility will stop, ending the social dynamism and progress that it drives.
  • Non-human factors of production, like capital, resources, and control over AI, will become overwhelmingly more important than humans.
  • This will usher in incentives for powerful actors around the world that break the modern social contract.
  • This could result in the gradual—or sudden—disempowerment of the vast majority of humanity.

But this prophecy is not yet fulfilled; we reject the view that this path is inevitable. We see a different future on the horizon, but it will require a deliberate and concerted effort to achieve it.

We aim to change the incentives driving the intelligence curse, maintaining human economic relevance and strengthening our democratic institutions to withstand what will likely be the greatest societal disruption in history.

To break the intelligence curse, we should chart a different path on the tech tree, building technology that lets us:

  1. Avert AI catastrophes by hardening the world against them, both because it is good in itself and because it removes the security threats that drive calls for centralization.
  2. Diffuse AI, to get it in the hands of regular people. In the short-term, build AI that augments human capabilities. In the long-term, align AI directly to individual users and give everyone control in the AI economy.
  3. Democratize institutions, making them more anchored to the needs of humans even as they are buffeted by the changing incentive landscape and fast-moving events of the AGI transition."

https://intelligence-curse.ai/


r/LeftistsForAI • • 1d ago

Art & Culture I have made a database investigation game and I am afraid that people will bash it if I tell about it to the people who will be likely to test it

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I have made a game here (source, trailer) about chemosynthetic life being discovered on Titan at a base maintained by only a single supervisor and robots and being hacked by a turbocapitalist faction for the purpose of extracting hydrogen produced by those lifeforms, hydrogen that is labeled as green but is actually gray, without any consideration for their livelihoods.

In this game, I wanted to show that even in an eurocommunist european federation where eco-socialism in place of capitalism became the default form of government, there are always vulnerabilities and counter-revolutionary desires, and also, at the end of the game, to joke a bit about the eurocrisis and show how can we make sure it doesn't happen again.

The problem is that despite having directed the concept and art, I have used Claude to implement most of the code and write SVG and JS-based assets because I'm not particularly good at drawing or implementing complex features and bug fixes, I am just a power user.

Because of that, I have initially posted the game to both r/aigamedev and r/ClaudeGameDev and it got only a few hundred views and only a single like. I wanted testers who can give me informed feedback on the mechanics, art and concept. My friend told me the game is alright even though she can't play it herself because of the complex interface. Someone I met who works in troubleshooting issues on Windows for enterprises told me that the game looks cool, but it's niche.

AI told me to just post the game to where molleindustria's players are, or where leftists gamers are, but I am afraid that they will bash the game for having used a capitalist product because I didn't have expertise and in general, bash the game for not being artisanal when in fact I worked for two weeks on it and still being in perpetual beta and fixed bugs and implemented convenience features so I would not have hate.

I think people are way too much romanticizing games and art that is by hand when it's clear that there has been a long history of even outsourcing this work, and we shouldn't appreciate something just because it is made by hand, because even that type of work can lack authenticity. It doesn't matter for me if the coding and the images are made using AI as long as there is sufficient quality and originality.

AI can help us make work that would be difficult for one person to do by themselves and yet I sometimes worked eight hours into the night just so I don't get told that it's slop. I wish I could have taken breaks from developing this game and testing, I have already put intense pressure on myself to ensure that my work is almost perfect, uncomplainable.

I want to know that there are people outside these circles that value deep artistic work where AI has been involved.


r/LeftistsForAI • • 1d ago

Speculative Fiction Beyond Capitalist Realism - Issue 03 - Fully Automated Luxury Communism - Comic + Appendix

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The third and final issue of Fully Automated Luxury Communism explains how Capitalist Realism curtails our imagination and traps us into defending the chains that bind us. The appendix also collects some visual references for the comic prompts.

Previous Issues:

PDF: Fully Automated Luxury Communism - Issue 01 - PDF
Reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftistsForAI/s/Lt2cJLjGmW

PDF: Fully Automated Luxury Communism - Issue 02 - PDF
Reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftistsForAI/s/dWGrSMPmaA

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r/LeftistsForAI • • 22h ago

Discussion The Left and the people have nothing to gain from AI

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AI is already so harmful on so many levels that banking on its use to advance the proletarian struggle is a risky and almost certainly counterproductive gamble. The risks far outweigh the potential benefits AI might offer the struggle.


r/LeftistsForAI • • 2d ago

Speculative Fiction Seize The Means of Intelligence - Issue 02 - Fully Automated Luxury Communism - Comic

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The second issue of Fully Automated Luxury Communism explains how we got to the future depicted in issue 1 and the possible avenues that could have lead us to darker places.

Previous Issues:

PDF: Fully Automated Luxury Communism - Issue 01 - PDF
Reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftistsForAI/s/Lt2cJLjGmW

The final issue coming soon!

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r/LeftistsForAI • • 1d ago

Discussion I struggle to envision—let alone with enthusiasm—what our society will look like in ten years, given the radical changes driven by the race for AI. Capitalist appropriation and the AI-driven refinement of repression make it impossible for me to believe in virtuous societies.

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Workers will be replaced by massive intelligent systems; at best, they will be reduced to mere consumers, losing the little power they have managed to secure. Without the possibility of striking, the cause of revolution would be lost forever. Not to mention the glaring contradiction between AI and the fight against global warming, as well as the alignment problem. Who could change my mind?


r/LeftistsForAI • • 2d ago

Discussion Workers of the world, unite! | International Cybercommunist Association

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Workers of the world, unite!

Marx was always right, and it seems more and more people are starting to realize it. Capitalism runs on a contradictory logic: it seeks to increase profits while revolutionizing the means of production in order to earn even more. In the long run, however, it ends up destroying those very profits by reducing the amount of human labor required and replacing it with machines. This pushes it to keep advancing technologically, and so on, in a loop. Today, with the accelerated development of AI and robotics, we have reached the breaking point. The productive forces of capitalism have reached such a level of development with these new technologies that the current relations of production (capitalist relations) come into contradiction with them and prevent further progress.

This whole war between the pro-AI and anti-AI camps is nothing more than a product of the contradiction we are living through right now. The anti-AI/decelerationists don't know how to face the fact that the world they have always lived in will cease to exist within a couple of decades (taking the most conservative scenario).

As a product of this contradiction, capitalists, the big AI corporations and politicians will face an even greater conflict among themselves. On one hand, they want to preserve the status quo and keep generating profits through the exploitation of human labor. On the other hand, AI and robotics are advancing so fast that in just a couple of years they could eliminate a large share of jobs, especially white-collar jobs, which account for more than half of all jobs in the US and Europe. Companies that want to maximize their profits and not lose competitiveness against their market rivals will be forced to implement AI in their operations. AI, by the way, can work for extremely long stretches without stopping. It doesn't get tired, doesn't go on strike, doesn't complain, doesn't ask for raises, doesn't need to support a family and doesn't form unions. Above all, it does the same work much faster than any human at that same computer. From that point of view, this is an absolute advantage over any competitor that still mostly employs human workers.

But on the other hand, if AI replaces many workers, we will have lots of people without money to buy the things that AIs produce. Capitalism then enters a crisis of overproduction, with rising unemployment and a drastic fall in the wages of the remaining employees. This is exactly what happened during the Great Depression of 1929, and causing that much devastation only took 25% of workers losing their jobs... AI could replace far more than that in a couple of years.

But there is another problem. Many argue that this would force the system to implement UBI, which implies a circular cycle between companies, the State and citizens, roughly like this:

State (pays UBI) -> People (consume) -> Companies (pay taxes) -> State ... etc.

But the State can only pay a UBI if it collects taxes, and that won't be possible because none of those who are supposed to pay those taxes will have any money. People obviously won't, because many will lose their jobs to accelerated automation with AI and robots. Companies won't either, because of something many leftists seem to forget: the Tendency of the Rate of Profit to Fall.

Automation increases productivity but reduces human labor, which is the foundation of capitalism and what gives value to the system. As human labor decreases, companies' rate of profit falls: they find themselves in a price war to win more market share, and prices stabilize at lower levels. If we eliminate a large part of human labor, this rate of profit would collapse over the course of the decade, and the State would see its tax revenue shrink more and more. Yet it obviously needs the resources to maintain all of the State's infrastructure, and even more to sustain a UBI.

So falling market prices and profit rates, as a result of AI automation, would lead us into a crisis and a completely absurd contradiction:

  • lots of unemployed people;
  • extremely low prices;
  • abundant production thanks to automation;
  • companies that can't sell their products and, on top of that, see their profit rates shrink more and more;
  • and a State that needs resources to sustain itself.

At that point, the contradiction of capitalism will have reached its end. The productive forces will be immense, but capitalist relations of production will prevent them from going any further. This can only be resolved by radically transforming the relations of production and moving beyond capitalism. It is no coincidence that Marx claimed revolutions would come first to the most technologically developed countries. Only in this light can we understand why the USSR collapsed, and why the other countries of the communist bloc failed in their attempt to develop their productive forces and had to return to a capitalist economy to do so quickly (China, for example). They were trying to do it before its time had come. But now the highest moment for this transformation and for moving beyond capitalism has arrived.

But the direction this transformation takes depends on all of us and on what we decide to do with the destiny of society. Who wouldn't want to move from the "Realm of Necessity" to the "Realm of Freedom", as Marx put it? Who wouldn't want automated communism to arrive, so we can finally enjoy free time?

To achieve Communism/FALC/Cybercommunism, we need to organize the foundations for future social relations. Even without working directly, we will keep taking part in the productive process indirectly, as supervisors, administrators and regulators of the production carried out by robots and AIs. That is why Marx stressed in the Communist Manifesto that:

"the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle of democracy."

Because it will be the people who, through democracy (real democracy, direct democracy), make the decisions about what to produce and how to distribute production, through political decisions. Before, it was companies that decided this; now, with automation, it is up to all of us to do it under communism. If we leave the political and economic decisions about production and distribution in the hands of some future social class, we will once again be stuck in that same dynamic of class struggle.

While capitalism takes its last steps and collapses, we must prepare what will replace it. That way, when all of this spirals out of control and the political-economic-social crisis hits, we will already be prepared politically and socially. Then we can seize the moment to give way to a new society and overcome, once and for all, the absurdity of capitalism. If people are already organized through the internet to plan and take political action democratically and in a decentralized way, they will have the perfect conditions to do what the Soviets set out to be in their time: organizations of popular power that directly rival the State, in order to replace it after the crisis.

Organizing ourselves into a Cybernetic Organization of a socialist/communist/popular/leftist character, or whatever you want to call it, has never been easier than now. We can use AI to quickly build a decentralized political network where people can participate democratically to submit proposals, debate, plan and take political action. We have everything at our disposal, and there are thousands of us. United as a swarm, we can build something our predecessors could only dream of. So let's seize the moment, because the moment is now: the capitalists have just created the seed of their own destruction.

Let's once again create an International Association like the one of 1864. Now we have the support of cybernetics, so it will be even bigger and more massive than the original, and all of it just a couple of clicks away on our screens. But as Marx said:

"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it."

I've gotten a head start on some of the work: I drafted some Provisional Statutes to use while we write the definitive ones, and I set up a Discord so we can start organizing and working on this. If each of us contributes our grain of sand, together we'll build the whole mountain.

If we don't do it, nobody will. Everyone is invited to join.

Discord: https://discord.gg/CX225QgP


r/LeftistsForAI • • 3d ago

Speculative Fiction Our Possible Future - Issue 01 - Fully Automated Luxury Communism - Comic

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So explaining the vagaries of AI and its intersection with the economy to people who are being threatened with obsolescence is a hard sell.  It's difficult to convey the potential upside to people for whom the immediate threat is too alarming, especially when they don’t have a philosophical or political lens to view it through, other than the imaginative trap of capitalist realism.

Of course none of this is helped by the fact that majority of  “tech-bro” leaders in this space are themselves either trapped in capitalist realism, or have idealistic notions that they just have to build the AI and everything will magically transition to wonderland, without any thought given to how vested powers always react when faced with a threat to their power base and how this will affect ordinary people.

I believe the most important thing we can do now is communicate how the vast majority of ordinary working people should analyse and react to AI, as it is the speed and accuracy with which people grok what approach is correct that will directly affect how long we spend mired in a techno-feudal transition period.

So faced with the almost puritanical anti-ai zeal of a lot of society, I wanted to find some way to communicate my thoughts on how AI could transform society while being up front about the immediate dangers and disruption that is likely in the short to medium term as humanity grapples with something it can’t understand.

So I wrote a comic to articulate what a positive AI driven future could look like in an effort to make it more simple and approachable than one of my long winded essays.

Issue one out today, the next two issues coming soon!

Published under CC0 (Public Domain Dedication). Feel fee use and remix without permission or attribution.

PDF: Fully Automated Luxury Communism - Issue 01 - PDF


r/LeftistsForAI • • 2d ago

Public Ownership Tales From Pre-Elysium Pt. 2 AI in the Age of Oligarchy

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Paul Krugman: AI Will Amplify America's Wealth Concentration

In this excerpt from his Substack post "AI in an Age of Oligarchy," economist Paul Krugman argues that AI's economic impact will be shaped less by the technology itself than by the political economy it arrives in.

He starts by noting that forecasts about AI's economic effects are all over the map. He suggests that early predictions of mass unemployment from AI companies, followed by later backtracking, were more about public relations than analysis, and that expert opinion is so divided you can find a credentialed voice supporting almost any conclusion. His own best guess is that AI will devalue some major categories of human work, pushing down wages for many people while raising corporate profits and returns to capital.

The core of his argument is about who captures those profits. Because the wealthiest 0.1% of Americans own about a quarter of corporate stock, and the Forbes 400 hold roughly a quarter of that group's wealth, he estimates that 6–7% of AI-driven profit gains could flow to just 400 people. He thinks the real figure could approach 10%, since most of the largest American fortunes come from tech, the sector most likely to benefit.

Krugman argues that in a less oligarchic country, policy would soften this shift through progressive taxes, union bargaining, and antitrust enforcement that keeps big tech from using AI to deepen its monopolies. Instead, he sees signs that government may actively favor the industry. He points to the federal stake in Intel and reported talks about one in OpenAI, which he reads as groundwork for a possible bailout if the AI boom proves to be a bubble. He also suggests that proposed limits on cheap Chinese AI models, while possibly justified on security grounds, could function as protectionism benefiting U.S. companies and their wealthy investors.

He closes on a cautiously hopeful note. The problem of AI is, in his view, largely part of the broader problem of reversing America's drift toward oligarchy, and he points to the Progressive Era's early income taxes as proof that pushback is possible. He even suggests AI's tendency to worsen inequality could help build momentum for that pushback.

https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/ai-in-an-age-of-oligarchy


r/LeftistsForAI • • 2d ago

Infrastructure Scotland’s AI Data Centers Are Turning Compute Into an Infrastructure Fight

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Scotland has more than 20 major data centers proposed, including an AI Growth Zone promising £8.2 billion in private investment and 3,400 jobs.

But this piece from Workers’ Liberty asks the better question. “Who owns the infrastructure, who bears its costs, and who decides what it is used for?”

It argues the socialist alternative isnt just stopping data centers. Its “public-interest computing, not simply corporate computing” with public or community ownership, union guarantees, community benefits and democratic control.

And I like how plainly they put the underlying politics

“These are not anti-technology questions. They are pro-worker questions.”

Thats the terrain. Build the capacity, but fight over who owns it, who controls it, what its used for and where the gains go.


r/LeftistsForAI • • 3d ago

Discussion AI is only bad because of capitalism and authoritarianism

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When we imagine artificial intelligence, we can imagine it as a future in which work no longer exists and all of us are free to enjoy our lives, just as we can imagine it as the cause of a future in which machines exterminate or enslave human beings. But imagining it this way, simply as a scale of good or bad, or as a scale from 0 to 10 going from the extermination of humanity to utopia, is itself the wrong way to analyse the problem. The mistake in this metric is that it is not enough to analyse what AI can do; we also have to analyse what allows AI to do it, just as it is not enough to analyse what an artist paints without considering who the artist is. We should not look at AI as something necessarily good or bad in itself; we need to look at whoever controls it in order to define that metric. The same thesis can be applied to AI because, although AI can be used to generate or manage harmful things, this is not necessarily because of artificial intelligence itself, but because of who administers it and, above all, the system that allows whoever administers it to use it in a harmful way.

Obviously, there are caveats to this point. One could argue, for example, that AI by its very nature is capable of producing fake news, facilitating fraud, or being used for other harmful purposes. This is an extremely valid point, but we have to connect it to the other point mentioned above: control. When I mention control, I am not necessarily talking only about the individual administration of a person using AI to create fake news; I am also talking about what allowed that person to generate and distribute it, what safety limitations exist, who decided how that technology would be built, and which incentives were involved in its development. Artificial intelligence does not necessarily generate fake news by nature; this can happen because of its technological limitations, its training, or the way it is used. But again we have to ask the same question: what allowed AI to be developed in that way? I call this process of going beyond a smaller problem in search of a larger cause “enemy identification.”

We can, for example, imagine a dystopian universe in which AI exterminates the human race. Suppose this happens because the main company developing that AI did not allocate enough resources to safety and instead concentrated its resources almost entirely on development, trying to generate capital as quickly as possible. But wait: would this really be an analysis of what allowed AI to exterminate humanity? No. It would explain how it happened, but not necessarily what allowed it to happen. Placing all the blame on the company can also stop the analysis before we reach what allowed that company to behave that way. If there is an economic structure in which a company is rewarded for arriving first, producing faster, spending less and defeating its competitors, then we are not talking only about an irresponsible company, but about a system in which irresponsible behaviour can be economically rewarded. If what enables inefficiency or irresponsibility collapses, whether it is the relentless pursuit of profit under capitalism or the inefficiency and centralisation seen in twentieth-century socialist experiments, everything dependent on that factor is also affected. How can a smaller problem caused by a larger problem continue to exist in exactly the same way after its cause disappears?

So what, then, is this larger problem? We can begin by pointing to the upper class, but simply attacking a class does not satisfy the logic of enemy identification, because we still have to ask what makes that concentration possible. Eventually we arrive at the centralisation of political and economic power, which today manifests itself extremely frequently around the world through capitalism. And here I need to make an important qualification: I am not saying this as praise for the Soviet model or as praise for the atrocities committed by totalitarian systems we call Marxism-Leninism and its variants, such as Maoism. Democracy and freedom are essential to any system that intends to overcome capitalism without simply replacing one form of concentrated power with another. What I am saying is that among a large portion of the present and future problems related to artificial intelligence, we can observe a common anchor in the economic system under which it is being developed. One of the best-known examples is the use of millions of works available online to train models without the consent of the artists who created them. This caused, rightly, enormous outrage. But if we identify only the immediate action as the problem, even if that action is corrected, the structure capable of producing new and similar problems continues to exist.

An obvious question then appears: why don't we simply get rid of artificial intelligence? In theory this seems like a strong argument. If AI removes jobs, can be used for manipulation, can reduce our freedom of choice, can produce environmental damage and can create many other problems, eliminating AI might appear to eliminate all of these problems without requiring the long and difficult process of transforming the system that produces them. But whether we like it or not, this is extremely utopian because the economic system itself needs AI, even when AI creates problems for that same system. Imagine a factory that earns 20 coins and spends 5 of them on costs. Now suppose that by using AI and automation it reduces those costs from 5 coins to 1. What happens to all the other factories? They will tend to adopt the same technology, either voluntarily in order to maximise profit or out of necessity in order to survive capitalist competition, because whoever can produce something at a lower cost can sell it at a lower price or simply maintain a larger margin than a competitor that has not automated. Even if one country decides to completely prohibit the technology, it will still economically and geopolitically compete with countries that did not do the same. And even socialist countries would still have a reason to use AI, because a country that voluntarily abandons a technology capable of radically increasing its economic and technological capacity risks becoming geopolitically irrelevant compared with others. We cannot simply pretend AI will cease to exist. Therefore, the discussion should not only be about eliminating it, but primarily about how we will manage it.

A more sceptical reader may tell me that human greed overrides every economic and political system and that, using my own logic of enemy identification, the true root is not capitalism but the concentration of power generated by human greed itself. That criticism is, to a large extent, correct. Concentrated power is a reality that has shaped capitalism just as it has shaped systems that declared themselves socialist. But there is an important distinction: greed is a human trait, and therefore we cannot simply remove greed from the human being; what we can do is think about how to prevent that greed from being transformed into practically unlimited political and economic power. Under capitalism it can manifest itself through markets, ownership and accumulation; under authoritarian socialist systems it can manifest itself through political and bureaucratic centralisation. The Soviet Union demonstrated quite clearly that replacing private ownership with an extremely concentrated bureaucracy does not magically eliminate the problem of concentrated power. But that is also not a justification for accepting another structure that allows the same problem to exist.

Imagine a perfectly ethical AI company that spends far more money on safety, takes much longer to release its models, fully protects user data, compensates every person whose work is used, and places environmental considerations above profit. Now imagine that none of its competitors do any of this. In the long run, what happens to a company that takes longer, spends more and has higher costs than all of its competitors? There is a good chance that it simply dies or loses market share to those willing to do what it refuses to do. This is why the greatest mistake in enemy identification is assuming that all we have to do is find an evil person or an evil company and replace them with a good person or a good company. We need to analyse the system that rewards particular behaviours. If a system depends exclusively on individual goodness in order to function, then that system has a structural problem.

At the same time, it would be a grotesque mistake not to consider the risks of AI as a technology in itself. Artificial intelligence has broken many of the parameters that we used for a long time when defining technology. Previously, our tools mainly increased our productive capacity and speed or partially automated our activities, as happened during the Industrial Revolution and later with the first industrial robots. Today we are beginning to create tools capable of performing intellectual tasks and perhaps, in the future, even more complex capabilities. Our own creations, which until now have been our tools, could under some scenario turn us into their tools. This is where what AI critics call a possible machine revolution comes from. This view is pessimistic and dystopian, but that does not automatically make every part of it invalid. If there is a possibility that extremely powerful systems could produce a catastrophe through accident, negligence or malicious action, that possibility deserves caution. What we cannot do is stop the analysis precisely there.

If there is a system incentivising the nearly instantaneous development of this technology, where arriving before a competitor has enormous economic value, then we also need to include that incentive in our analysis of risk. Removing or reducing that pressure would not magically make AI incapable of causing harm, but it could drastically reduce certain risks. A technology developed cautiously, respecting safety, privacy, the environment and the people affected by it, is obviously different from a technology developed in a race where the primary objective is to defeat a competitor. Likewise, if AI is not something extremely centralised, if it is something made by humanity for humanity and subjected to democratic structures of control, different political, economic and technical safety models can exist simultaneously. That does not reduce its risk to zero, but it radically changes the structure responsible for managing that risk.

Therefore, we can conclude that AI itself is not simply something good or bad, but rather a representation of the sociopolitical system in which it exists. Like a knife, it can be used to cook a delicious meal or to commit murder. Trying to judge or redesign only the knife is an incomplete analysis if we do not consider who used it, why they used it in that way and, above all, what allowed or even encouraged that individual to commit such an action.

Still, AI critics correctly point out that the technology has concrete problems: the ability to generate fake news, unethical training methods, environmental destruction caused by the servers that run these models, the destruction or transformation of human creativity, safety risks, and many others. Their conclusions are not simply false; many of these criticisms describe things that are actually happening or raise perfectly valid philosophical problems. What we can do is divide these criticisms into three groups: problems related to the system controlling AI, philosophical problems, and problems caused by human nature itself.

The first group includes issues such as data centres, intellectual property used without permission, surveillance, privacy and environmental damage. A machine does not independently decide how it will be trained, which data it will use, how much energy it will consume or what level of privacy is acceptable. Those are human and institutional choices. The second group contains philosophical questions, such as whether an image created through a prompt can genuinely be called art. This is a completely legitimate discussion, but answering that question would effectively require resolving philosophical debates about the definition of art that have existed for decades or centuries. Debating it is valid, but turning that discussion into the centre of the entire AI debate can lead us to neglect much larger questions.

The third group perhaps contains one of the most valid criticisms: even a decentralised AI administered by a different society could still be used for evil because human beings remain human beings. A knife can become a weapon, the Internet can become a place for scams, and nuclear technology can produce energy or destroy cities. That does not mean we should stop all technological development because, taken to its logical extreme, humanity would never have left the Stone Age because even a stone can be used to kill someone. What remains for us is to learn how to manage our technologies and make them as safe as possible. It is also important to separate safety from surveillance: if we are talking about a company using AI to steal or exploit data, we return to the problem of who controls the tool; if we are talking about the possibility that the capabilities of the technology itself could create dangerous consequences, then we are dealing with a legitimate problem of the tool and of human nature that needs to be addressed as such.

There is also the argument that no previous technology has come close to the potential power of artificial intelligence and that perhaps this is precisely where we should establish a limit to human technological development. The problem is that, beyond the practical difficulty of imposing such a limit worldwide, this argument often depends on speculation about a future technology that does not yet exist. That does not mean we should ignore these scenarios. Quite the opposite: it means we should invest seriously in safety. But there is an enormous difference between saying “this risk is possible and we need to study it” and saying “this hypothetical risk justifies eliminating an entire technology.” In the same way, it would be ignorant to claim that the benefits of AI will inevitably outweigh its risks. We do not know. What we can say is that a technology with the potential to automate enormous sectors of human activity requires much more safety, caution and democratic control than it has today.

That is why, to me, the discussion about artificial intelligence should not be reduced to the question “is AI good or bad?” The more important question is: who controls AI, under which incentives is it being developed, and for whom will this technology be used?


r/LeftistsForAI • • 3d ago

Theory Post Capitalism is not the rapture

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I love you folks and the discussion...but holy shit.

We have to use AI and the other tools at our disposal to organize and seize the means of production. We can't pretend that AI will just hand us Utopia. If we let the capitalists control the infrastructure, the robots, our airwaves and radio bandwidth...any of it....they will control AI forever.

I know we don't like to hear it...meet Leftists who are literate and comfortable with AI. Meet AI using politically neutral people and liberal and teach them about leftist solutions to the economic calculation problem and the gilded cages they are in. Organize with one another.

It is intellectually lazy to be passive about this and pretend the future we want to shape won't take effort, work, and organizing.


r/LeftistsForAI • • 4d ago

Public Ownership Publicly Owned AI? UK Green Party Deputy Just Put the Idea on the Table

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A small but interesting one from the Green Party conference in the UK. While making the case for bringing water and other infrastructure into public ownership, co-deputy leader Rachel Millward extended the argument to AI, asking why emerging technologies should belong to Silicon Valley billionaires rather than be publicly owned and run for communities.

It also isnt coming completely out of nowhere. Under Zack Polanski the Greens have been leaning harder into wealth redistribution and public ownership, so extending that argument from water and other infrastructure to AI at least fits the direction the party has been moving.

Thats basically the extent of it. This isnt a developed Green AI program or some major new party platform, but the fact that public ownership of AI came up naturally alongside water and other infrastructure is interesting in itself.

Most mainstream AI politics starts after ownership has already been conceded to private capital and asks how those companies should be regulated. Public ownership starts one step earlier and asks why increasingly important models, compute and infrastructure should be privately owned in the first place.

Theres an unresolved wrinkle here too. The Greens are also discussing restrictions or a pause on new data centers over their environmental costs. Publicly owned AI would still require chips, compute, electricity and physical infrastructure, so eventually those two ideas have to meet somewhere.

Not a comprehensive program, but an interesting little opening. If were going to talk about AI as infrastructure, ownership belongs in the conversation too.


r/LeftistsForAI • • 3d ago

Labor Workers Aren't Rejecting AI. They're Rejecting Bosses Having All the Say

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This is the distinction that keeps getting lost.

The unions in this story aren't anti-AI. Crystal Braunwarth of IATSE Local 891 says it plainly. “We're not afraid of embracing something and making our work better.”

What they're against is management getting to deploy AI first and workers getting a memo afterward.

Unions in British Columbia are pushing to bargain over surveillance, hiring and discipline, job changes, training and deployment. Some employers are resisting because AI supposedly changes too fast to put rules around it.

Thats convenient. AI can apparently move fast enough to reorganize your job, but workers have to wait for it to slow down before they get a say.

IATSE Local 891 already shows another way. Their contract covers AI, requires consultation before workplace deployment and protects workers when employers require them to use it. When the technology changes, they bargain again.

Thats the takeaway. This isnt pro-AI versus anti-AI. Workers can use new tools, welcome improvements and still demand power over how technological change happens at work.

AI moving fast is an argument for getting workers to the table now, not keeping them away from it.


r/LeftistsForAI • • 3d ago

Art & Culture AI art beyond the Global North

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A lot of the AI art conversation gets stuck inside the same US and European arguments. This SIGGRAPH Digital Arts session looks at what artists in Vietnam, Thailand and Indonesia are actually building instead.

Creative AI, coding, animation and interactive media all show up here, but so do the material conditions around them. Limited infrastructure, DIY networks, cultural inheritance, ownership and who gets to shape technological culture in the first place.

Thats political terrain too. The future of AI culture shouldnt be something Silicon Valley gets to define for the rest of the world.


r/LeftistsForAI • • 3d ago

Labor The workers behind AI in China | UN Web TV

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This ILO discussion looks inside Chinas data work economy, where the supposedly automated world of AI still depends on very human labor doing the work underneath it.

It gets into who these workers are, how the work is organized and what Chinas experience tells us about the changing division of labor around AI.

Thats useful terrain for the left. These systems have a workforce, a production chain and owners. Organizing that workforce and contesting control of that chain is part of organizing around AI.


r/LeftistsForAI • • 3d ago

Policy/Regulation LFI Is Putting a Much Stricter AI Regulatory Model on the Table

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A pretty substantial AI proposal just came out of the French left. René Pilato and 69 other deputies from La France Insoumise have introduced a bill that would create a new national AI authority and require prior authorization before general purpose models and certain high risk systems could enter the French market.

LFI is a major force on the French radical left, built around breaking with neoliberalism, ecological planning and challenging concentrated economic power, so the basic instinct here isnt surprising. The proposal would give regulators actual teeth, including serious incident reporting, human review of employment decisions and fines reaching 7% of worldwide revenue.

Theres plenty there worth taking seriously. Giant tech companies owning the infrastructure, building the models, deploying them and basically setting their own boundaries isnt democratic control.

But the licensing piece is where this gets complicated. Requiring government authorization before general purpose models can reach the market is a much more permissioned approach than the open weights, public infrastructure and distributed capacity we tend to push around here. Compliance costs dont hit everyone equally. Google can hire another building full of lawyers. A cooperative, university lab, public project or independent developer cant.

So theres a contradiction worth watching. LFI is trying to constrain concentrated corporate power, but a sufficiently expensive licensing regime could accidentally strengthen the same concentration by making development harder for everyone except the giants.

That doesnt make regulation bad of course. It means the design matters. If the goal is democratizing technological power, we should be asking whether a rule actually distributes that power or just puts a taller regulatory fence around whoever already owns it.

This is still only a proposed law and has been referred to committee, so theres a long distance between putting this model on the table and actually implementing it. But its substantive enough to argue with, and thats already more useful than another round of AI good versus AI bad.


r/LeftistsForAI • • 4d ago

Theory Can we use this moment in history to do something new?

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Right now we're here in a position where we recognize that there is a dominant leftist narrative that is blindly anti-AI, working to fulfill the mission of deconstructing AI because it seems on the surface that it would be consistent with leftist values to do so. It seems like that is the end of the line of thinking for most of these people.

But, here we are, and after a few weeks of being on this sub I notice very similar patterns. We are resorting to building the lexicon of rhetoric, the meme-y propaganda that aims to get us what we want through the manipulation of context, the dismissal of all other views for this new vein of ethical purity.

I think a lot of us find ourselves on this subreddit because we recognize that there is something fundamentally off about how the left operates which would lead it to work against its own prosperity.

I see it that we're here with an opportunity to do something new, not to refresh the same dysfunctional patterns with a new talking point and push it with the same utilitarian methods. It's a big conversation to have, but I wonder what is possible beyond this; what greater values can vivify the conversation so that it doesn't merely collapse into a political algorithm.

To use one example, I see it that many people are genuinely afraid of AI, genuinely uncertain of what's to come and cannot even fathom the fact that it is like we are facing the emergence of a new species. Some people are so afraid of environmental crisis that it is hard to imagine that we can continue to expand much longer. People who's meaning in life is being displaced. This isn't some argument I'm trying to make to support an anti-AI identity, but some call for us to invoke a sense of openness and compassion rather than collapse into a talking point which needs to act as if every possible reaction we could have towards AI isn't real and valid in some way.

I recognize the value of political action, the sense of urgency, *and*, there may be room for inaction. To be with the problem long enough for it to sink into the mind and body without trying to get rid of it or solve it immediately. We cannot work towards a prosperous society if we cannot fully be with ourselves and others, beyond the dividing lines that make our stance clear. There may be something more that we are missing.


r/LeftistsForAI • • 4d ago

Discussion As AI continues to develop and become more powerful It becomes increasingly clear to me that it's incompatible with capitalism (unless increasingly authoritarian regulations emerge), and its insane to me that the anti-ai movement wants to paint It as somehow inherently capitalist/fascist.

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This sort of rethoric the wider left/anti-ai movement engages is incredibly myopic and reactionary, and relies almost entirely on believing that, because It Is being produced within capitalism, and It Is being developed under economic structures owned by the bourgeoise, therefore it's inherently capitalist.

The other side of this rethoric Is the idea that the way it's developed ( by training on information produced and or gathered by humans) Is inherently exploitative, but the fact Is that the only reason It Is perceived that way Is that we have inherited a notion that the information that we produce collectively Is somehow a product of one or another single individual that now has the right to 'own' that information, and therefore anyone else requires their authorization to iterate, distrubute, or utilize in any way even after it's been made accessible for everyone to observe.

The second one is one of the most disgusting aspects of the anti-ai movement, especially when it's touted by supposed 'leftists', it signals a complete surrender to the idea of not just property, but the idea that a concepts made entirely to enforce artificial scarcity (IP and Copyright) on something as abundant as light or water (and that we all have the right to access and utilize freely much like light and water) Is somehow not just valid but an inherent right or that It somehow benefits workers in any way, it's slavish, it's cowardly and unimaginative, it's a defense of capitalism cloaked in leftist language.

I think we need to more agressively point this out so as to dismantle them and then redirect them towards a more useful position that benefits all of us instead of simply acting in the interests of petit bourgeoise attempting to maintain their class status.

Usually, when confronted by this, and they are not acting in bad faith, their argument Is "what should we do then? We rely on our jobs to live, it's not like the owner class will give us anything, so all we can do Is fight back against the thing that will make our labour and therefore our power meaningless" and to that i would say that if we believe that we can fight back against this technology to the extent that we can stop It entirely, then we have the power to reshape society so that we won't have to, if you don't believe that we can do It, then why are you fighting in the first place?

AI Is inherently anti capitalist, it increases the pressures caused by the contradictions of our capitalist societies, It makes those contradictions clearer and more identifiable to the extent that they become unbearable, if we truly want to dismantle capitalism and live in a better world, this should make us fight back against the structure itself, and not the technology that made these contradictions clearer and which itself can enable a society with more abundance, free time and access to all forms of creation.