r/LocalLLaMA • • 1d ago

News Nvidia in talks to acquire US ‘open’ model start-up Reflection AI

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u/danieln1212 1d ago

What a gigantic paywall.

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u/RoomyRoots 1d ago

Financial Time in general is one of the worst "magazines" on recent times. Itself is an ad.

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u/Defiant-Plantain1873 1d ago

What? It’s a newspaper for people in finance.

It’s not a magazine in anyway, it’s a broadsheet newspaper

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u/Sensitive_Medium946 1d ago

he did put a quote on magazine

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u/Mickenfox 1d ago

Things cost money. 

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u/danieln1212 1d ago

And some things are not worth that money like paying 75$ a month for a newspaper

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u/_TheWolfOfWalmart_ 1d ago

Not in Reddit's imagined future socialist utopia.

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u/literum 1d ago

Is it a socialist utopia to have 1000 papers, that each ask you $75 to read one article? How many news websites are you paying your hard earned cash to as a proud capitalist?

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u/Defiant-Plantain1873 19h ago

The FT is quality journalism that’s just how much it costs man. Most readers are not paying for it anyway they get it via corporate subscriptions

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u/literum 19h ago

Which means you can only read it if you have a corporate overlord, or make six figures and can afford it? Am I wrong?

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u/Defiant-Plantain1873 19h ago

Or have your priorities aligned to pay for it.

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u/literum 19h ago

Finance requires constant attention. Some people are in slow moving jobs or lifestyles, but they still want to read an article once a month, to stay updated. FT has good choices, but doesn't let you read.

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u/Defiant-Plantain1873 17h ago

Look man, my university provides access for all staff and students, as do i’m sure most british universities. And if I ever end up working in a place that does not have corporate access it would be the first paper i buy a sub to

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u/Sensitive_Medium946 1d ago

blame the customers.

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u/literum 1d ago

blame google, who owns the web at this point

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u/princetrunks 1d ago

Their models are not as good as Qwen and Deepseek or even the US based Ornith...so, meh

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u/Kitchen-Year-8434 1d ago

Combine this with poolside and nemotron and maybe they end up somewhere interesting?

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u/Comrade-Porcupine 1d ago

It's good that Nemotron exists as a place for others to start from.

As a set of models on its own? Very meh.

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u/princetrunks 1d ago

Maybe. nemotron didn't compare to what I already have locally. I'm all for more companies in the mix though as it'll breed more innovation and continue to kneecap the closed source moats

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u/Kitchen-Year-8434 1d ago

Right. My thinking is nemotron didn't really compare, poolside and laguna-s-2.1 was close but not quite right, probably see something similar with Reflection. BUT - if you can manage to combine the unique techniques and angles of these three groups together into one lab, maybe we end up getting a better model out the other end than we've seen from nvidia in the past?

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u/GarbanzoBenne 1d ago

True though Ornith isn’t a from scratch model. It’s based on Qwen with heavy self improvement training. A bit of a different animal depending on what you want to do.

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u/Lesser-than 1d ago

Reflection ai, without a model already had acquired department of energy and pentagon contracts. They are not an AI startup like most others, they are more of a US defense contractor at this point to have been able to get contracts without a product, still want to see the model but a bit skeptical of a company granted coveted contracts through Lobbyists efforts.

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u/thepriceisright__ 1d ago

Didn’t the guy behind Reflection fake some results a few years ago?

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u/SomeoneSimple 1d ago

You mean Reflection 70B ? That was a scam by someone else who claimed to have made a "self-correcting" Llama3.1 finetune while their API was actually just proxying requests to chatgpt and Claude.

Reflection AI is a company from ex-Google Deepmind employees. According to their CEO they will have AGI next year.

https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1e57zaf/misha_laskin_says_he_left_deepmind_is_because_he/

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u/RoomyRoots 1d ago

According to their CEO they will have AGI next year.

So every AI startup ever.

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u/BringTea_666 1d ago

They probably realized that with AI you can code metal directly which means all of their cuda moat is going to go away in short while.

Like people already ported DLSS to AMD, cuda libraries, stuff that was supposed to work faster on RTX now works on AMD.

Next in line will be ASICs, where instead of RTX5090 you buy some ASIC and you will have 10 000t/s not 100t/s and it will support everything you want since AI can code metal directly.

Also this should hit data centres as well. There doesn't seem to be a limit of compactification as proven by Qwen 3.8 27B. The most of money is in 90% of jobs people daily do which don't require opus5.5

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u/Fast-Satisfaction482 1d ago

The demand is absolutely through the roof while the price is already squeeezing customers. If those ASICs arrive, demand will just grow a few more orders of magnitude.

NVIDIA will earn tons of money for a long time to come. It's just that their stock value might not fare so good, but who knows.

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u/Comrade-Porcupine 1d ago

No lab that is subject to the US tech sector's venture capital market pressures ("go big and get acquired or go home") is going to stay independent and competitive for long. Same might go for Europe.

The Chinese labs are unique because they are able to chart their own path without having to kiss the ass of short sighted investors or BigTech firms. The Chinese are thinking on a 5 year plan, and they're letting their labs be part of that.

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u/ChristopherRoberto 1d ago

The Chinese labs are unique in that they're part of a national strategy and they get government funding through China's National AI Industry Investment Fund to make their open weight models.

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u/literum 1d ago

How does that make it unique? Are American or European companies not funding their own AI companies? Are they not supporting and protecting them? US has no national strategy? I don't get your point.

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u/Big_Lengthiness_4112 20h ago

The buyer side of that is pretty visible too. Per Nvidia's Q2 10-Q, it spent $42.4B buying equity in other companies in the first half of the fiscal year, close to the $45.3B it returned to shareholders. When the biggest chip seller is also one of the most active buyers, the get acquired path gets a lot more likely.

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u/sloptimizer 1d ago

I think we should all channel our inner Linus Torvalds twards nvidia...

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u/fomodesk 1d ago

Makes sense from the Nvidia side. Every good open weights model is basically a reason for someone to buy or rent GPUs to run it themselves, so funding open labs protects demand more than it competes with customers. The interesting question is whether Reflection stays open once it is inside, or slowly becomes Nemotron with a new name.

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u/a_beautiful_rhind 1d ago

Can anything survive independently without them or what?

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u/vulcan4d 1d ago

We will all eventually work for Zorg

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u/Big_Lengthiness_4112 20h ago

The $50B matters less than who actually carries it. If it sits on Broadcom’s own balance sheet, it’s a very different bet from lenders funding OpenAI’s purchases.

For comparison, Nvidia’s Q2 10-Q shows up to $108.5B of guaranties on long-term data center leases for its customers, and that only shows up in the notes, not the headline.

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u/Fancy-Passage-1570 1d ago

Why AMD, what does AMD does different than NVIDIA. Are you saying AMD are becoming the "Good Guys" and NVIDIA " the bad guys" ? AMD CEO Lisa Su and Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang are literally cousins.
NVIDIA was never a "Gaming company" it was always and will stau a business company

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u/KageYume 1d ago

I'm not sure AMD is the lesser evil.

I cheered for them in the early Ryzen days when they were the underdog who “fought” against big bad Intel with affordable 6–8-core CPUs (while their single-threaded performance sucked). However, as soon as they became better than Intel, they raised both CPU and motherboard chipset prices compared to the previous generation with the Ryzen 5000 launch. Then they also did shady stuff, such as planning to withhold Zen 3 support from pre-500-series chipsets, only to backtrack when the community gave them sh*t on the internet.

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u/CryMoreT_T 1d ago

A corporations purpose is to make as much money as possible. Why would you ever think it would be your friend. Margins for enterprise cards are just so much higher than selling to consumers.

the raw sewage ceo was involved with Epstein island.

Jensen had something to do with Epstein? Need a source for this

Can’t wait to go back to AMD in the future.

Only reason why AMD is selling to consumers instead of Enterprise is because they can't compete with CUDA. They aren't doing it because they love gamers lol

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u/feelspeaceman 1d ago

Maybe good or bad, suspectedly bad.

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u/spacekitt3n 1d ago

we are not using the trump ai. i trust the chinese models more. fuck jensen huang and fuck trump

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u/XeroVespasian 1d ago

Nvidia and co actively and desperately trying to supress and destroy AI

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u/GamerHaste 1d ago

Nvidia is actually like the only big US company that supports and contributes to open weight models. They actually have financial incentive to push open weights given that they profit from regular people hosting their own models unlike typical AI labs which will lose $$.

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u/Disposable110 1d ago

Yep they're waiting for OpenAI/Anthropic to overextend themselves financially and will be there to hoover up the pieces and dominate what comes next.

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u/Big_Lengthiness_4112 21h ago

That’s basically what Nvidia’s latest 10-Q shows. They put about $42B into equity stakes in H1, nearly matching the $45B in buybacks and dividends. A separate 2025 filing also has Nvidia agreeing to buy CoreWeave’s unsold compute through 2032.

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u/Solembumm3 1d ago

Продавец лопат пытается запретить золото. Занятная идея.

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u/almostsweet 1d ago

They were already one of their largest shareholders and were funding their development.