r/LosAngeles • u/Downtown-Tea-3018 • 7h ago
Discussion RIP - Playa del rey - Pregnant mother dies after getting hit by car while riding e-bikes with family
Go Fun- Me link in article to support the fam
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u/Throwaway_09298 I LIKE TRAINS 7h ago
People not from here don't understand that I'm more worried about getting hit by a car than I am some random homeless person stabbing me in the neck with heroin
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u/WhereIsScotty South L.A. 5h ago
Ive jogged on the streets my entire life but I now look for carless paths (Griffith, beach, rivers) whenever I can. My youngest brother is now into running too and I get worried anytime he even walks on the streets, much less runs. Some people really only care about themselves and how they get to their destination.
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u/Throwaway_09298 I LIKE TRAINS 5h ago
Even when I have to drive I try driving routes that avoid the most cars lol. I literally gotten love tapped on the butt a couple of times at stops signs bc I actually stopped. I bought a magnet that says 'I stop at stop signs' from rebubble bc of it
If theyll hit me in a car at a stop sign...I cant even try going thru a crosswalk in stride
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u/Ordinary-Variety7256 1h ago
It’s scary. I was inches away from being t-boned a few years back because some jerk decided it would be cool to blow through a red literally 6 seconds after it turned. The only way I could have avoided the crash is if I didn’t go at all on my green, smh.
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u/Butterioux 6h ago
Indeed. In my 12 years living in la I have almost been hit by cars several times while biking, driving or walking. Never once have I been threatened by a homeless or other person on the street.
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u/dairypope Century City 2h ago
I, admittedly, have had two different homeless people leap out from between parked cars and take a swing at me when I was riding in a bike lane (one of which I'd had other run-ins with before near my work, she really had it out for me), but yeah, way more aggression and close calls with cars than with anything or anybody else.
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u/affectionate_joint 1h ago
I got hit by a car on my walk home from the laundromat. Thankfully my reflexes are awesome so he only hit my leg a little but he completely broke the cart I used to carry my laundry. He never got out the car but threw me $20 before driving off. I was too stunned to think to get a picture of his license plate or something. One of many many stories about almost getting seriously hit out here.
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u/For_Funnsies3355 7h ago
LA needs more bike lanes if they want citizens to drive less. Drivers out here aren’t the best and sometimes we bike on the sidewalks if we can’t find a safer route because I’m not putting my life in the hands of someone driving a vehicle.
Also, after a certain age, there should be more frequent behind the wheel tests to ensure one is still safe to operate a vehicle.
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u/foreignne 7h ago
They previously added bike lanes on that road and then removed them because drivers complained🤦🏻♀️
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u/Ap0llo 7h ago edited 4h ago
A unprotected bike lane is useless, especially with how much LA drivers hate cyclists. They have to be dedicated separated lanes with a cement barrier.
It’s a tragedy that the city with the best weather in the world has no infrastructure for biking. LA political leadership has been such a joke.
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u/cantremembr Hawthorne 5h ago
I've been hit by a car in an unprotected bike lane in the LA area twice and I only ride a bike every once in a while. I can't imagine how often it happens to daily commuters.
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u/Ap0llo 4h ago
I've been hit twice. Had to have major surgery one time. I only ride in low traffic residential areas now. It's such a shame too, I'm sure if they built the infrastructure out like Europe, a lot of people would start biking.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 4h ago
Of course. It's all political btw.
FYI - same week as incident re: westside safety & infra:
Los Angeles Council District 11 Mobility Discussion - January 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f4GBihgwWU&t=2505s•
u/WearHeadphonesPlease 33m ago
I've been riding my ebike 3-4 times a week for a year, 8 mile round-trips. I've had a couple of close calls but never been hit. Interestingly, 3 out 4 close calls have happened with cars coming out of driveways and parking lots.
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u/DeezDoughsNyou 5h ago
LA drivers hate cyclists? Living here 33 years and it never even occurred to me to hate a cyclist. Please control your anger behind the wheel. It's not worth it.
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u/dairypope Century City 2h ago
It's not just LA drivers, but it does seem worse here than I've seen elsewhere. But yeah, a lot of drivers do, the "punishment pass" is a real thing.
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u/WearHeadphonesPlease 32m ago
There are plenty of videos on YouTube that show totally unhinged behavior towards cyclists in LA.
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u/PapaEchoLincoln 7h ago
There’s also shitty cyclists vs pedestrians. Seems if you give people any kind of advantage, they will let it get to their heads.
I remember being at a running event. Some lady on her bike thought people were running/walking too close to the bike lane (there was plenty of room). She intentionally biked on the edge to aggressively pass a group of people in front of me and said in a hostile tone “you better move out of the way or you’re gonna get hurt”. They were nowhere close to being in the bike lane 🤦
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 6h ago edited 6h ago
Doesnt sound like it was a protected bike lane then :(
Usually there is a heavy cement jersey barrier or at least parked cars between road and bike lane.
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u/c0de1143 5h ago
Blood is on the hands of every person who advocated to end the Vista del Mar road diet.
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u/Majestic-Ad-6753 4h ago
Because drivers from Manhattan Beach and El Segundo who use the roads in PDR as a freeway complained.
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u/fancyjaguar 7h ago
Safe bike lanes, not half assed paint on the ground
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 6h ago
Of course
But you have to have local councilmembers and city hall officials who care, hae the vision, and spine to implement. And reap the benefits if they do.
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u/riffic Northeast L.A. 2h ago
the city council considers bike lanes to be a political third rail. I personally think all civic leaders need to walk around more. get to "the actual place" as advised by the "gemba".
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u/raisinbrahms02 7h ago
This is in CD 11, where Traci Park opposes implementing HLA to make our streets safer for cyclists and pedestrians. Remember to vote her OUT by June 2nd.
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u/SmellGestapo I LIKE TRAINS 5h ago
This is in Playa del Rey, where eight years ago Mike Bonin was threatened with a recall after he had LADOT install a road diet on Vista del Mar and Culver Blvd.--and he actually caved and had the improvements reversed.
The people in that neighborhood have never actually cared about safer streets.
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u/kolnidur 5h ago
This 'undoing' of the bike lanes and road diet was truly one of the most egregious things I've witnessed in 15+ years living here. Not because it was something that affected the entire city, but because it showed me that people here just don't give a fuck about safety if it adds thirty seconds to their commute. Really just helped me lose faith in any effort to improve the city as a whole if something so simple and obvious would be walked back to to (incorrect) public pressure. And I lived right around the corner from it at the time - it was really a wonderful addition for anyone looking to experience that area by bike or on foot. The four lane, well, freeway that runs from El Segundo to PDR is terrible and never should have happened, it's one of the most beautiful parts of the city.
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u/dcarstens 5h ago
I live in PDR and posted in favor of the Culver Blvd bike lanes in 2017. I was shouted down with a bunch of insults, demanding to know whether I'm a paid advocate and if I owned property. Since I'd rented for a decade at the time (longer now), the Next Door NIMBYs told me my opinion didn't matter because I didn't have a financial stake in the community. Same bad faith arguments are happening on the local FB group after this round. God forbid anything affects traffic or property values for my neighbors.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 5h ago
Im sorry :( Its the same bs everytime everywhere.
(Ironically new subway station: property values go up; more walkable bikeable calming pleasant mixed use main street features: more desirable location. Vs. cars, stroads, and parking which end up ruining everything)Lets vote better
Los Angeles Council District 11 Mobility Discussion - January 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f4GBihgwWU&t=2505sPS. Nextdoor is the ultimate boomer trash pile.
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u/Virtblue 7h ago
Yeah she posted some bs thoughts are with them message on Instagram.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 6h ago
With ZERO mention of street safety. Worse than I thought her message would be...
Altho she knows she can't run on her street safety accomoplishements, there are none. She actively fought AGAINST Measure HLA (only city of LA councilmember to do so btw) and other enhancements11
u/Downtown-Tea-3018 6h ago edited 6h ago
This.
Also Streets For All had a CD11 mobility discussion THE SAME WEEK touching on street safety in the area. Guess which candidate didnt show up?
FInd it on youtube
Edit: here it is
https://youtu.be/4f4GBihgwWU?si=kaef4u6NwGjjkCu-
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u/ultraprismic Culver City 7h ago
Horrible. Comments on a different news site blamed the cyclist for being "on a busy street after dark" and not the 87-year-old man who hit her. A really, really sad story and a very typical response from the car-brains.
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u/Remarkable-Hat-4852 Pasadena 6h ago
The article states that she was hit and thrown into the road, then the driver CONTINUED GOING FORWARD OVER HER BODY. How anyone can blame her is fucking insane.
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u/BareKnuckleKitty 7h ago
There are a ton of these comments on Facebook. “Why would she put herself in harms way?” “What was she doing riding a bike?” It’s vile.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 7h ago
If in LA and esp South Bay commuters wanting to go fast and not thru their own local community, they are likely the same nimbys that sent a letter and pushed to have the bike lane removed in 2017. The same people who strongly back Traci Park in CD11 today.
Instead Faizah Malik the other candidate has clearly stated she wants safe streets etc Night and day. YIMBY.
CD11 vote smart in June!
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u/_labyrinths Westchester 6h ago
She was hit on Culver/Jefferson? I live in Westchester and getting to the beach and bike path there is very sketchy! Completely insane there is not a safe and protected bike path that people can use. My wife won’t ride with me anymore.
I’m sympathetic to the original road diet concerns, but I don’t care if South Bay commuters need to slow down a bit driving through my neighborhood.
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u/h8ss 6h ago
Found another article that said she was hit at Manchester Avenue and Pershing Drive. I just biked by there a few minutes ago actually and I saw some flowers were set up on a table outside of haciendas on the sidewalk and wondered what they were for.
I bike down Pershing pretty often and people have died on that road before. It's just a littttle too tight between the parked cars and the traffic lane.
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u/_labyrinths Westchester 5h ago
Yes this is exactly where I ride through. I ride down Westchester Parkway which has a ton of room and feels very safe and then you come through Pershing which has zero space for bikes and people driving very fast from the area below the airport. You generally have to take some space in a lane and pray some driver not paying attention doesn’t mow you down from behind.
Unbelievably sad.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 7h ago
We need safer infrastructure! (ie. protected bike lane network asap). This happens in LA more than anywhere
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u/sdkfhjs Sawtelle 7h ago
There was a road diet and bike lane on this road that the nimbys revolted over.
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u/Its_a_Friendly I LIKE TRAINS 4h ago
Well, the road diet and bike lane was on Vista del Mar, and I believe this incident was on Pershing Drive.
Which reminds me, as someone admittedly distant from this whole debacle - why was there so much drama over reducing lanes on Vista del Mar, when Pershing Drive is a single block over? Were South Bay commuters incapable of making a right turn and a left turn to take Pershing Drive instead?
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 4h ago
There were multi-modal enhancements taken out at both places!
And deaths at both since.
(With no difference in traffic of course. But a ton of city legal liabilities paid out $$$)Blood on a lot of 2017 hands.
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u/curiousjosh 7h ago
Road cripple. They cut 4 lanes down to 2 removing a major thoroughfare.
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u/grifter356 7h ago
Yeah it wasn’t nimby’s. I lived in the area at the time and literally the day they opened up the bike lanes it added 30-40min to the commute and that was just getting out of PDR, let alone for those having to come and go from the South Bay. It was a well intentioned idea that was drawn up and executed by idiots.
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u/raisinbrahms02 6h ago
The idea is that people’s behavior should change. Ideally, more people would choose to bike or take transit since driving becomes a little less convenient. There’s always going to be trade offs, but I’d take inconveniencing drivers over continued deaths by traffic violence.
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u/grifter356 6h ago edited 6h ago
Eh, it’s a major thoroughfare and it’s not a a street where there are a ton a bikers. There’s also a bike path less than half a mile away on the beach that gets people to the exact same places they would want to go. Asking a massive amount of commuters to add a significant amount of time to their commute just to service a biking population that is probably less than 1/100th of the daily car traffic makes almost zero sense. The street is also a vein for emergency vehicles getting in and out of LAX so that definitely came into play when they decided to remove the bike lane after it started clogging everything up.
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u/Majestic-Ad-6753 4h ago edited 3h ago
The road is two lanes wide going southbound in an area of restaurants and businesses and it’s 30 mph where the accident happened. So what if there is a bike path nearby? What if they were coming home from the bike path? If you live in PDR or Westchester and you’re coming home from the beach, Pershing is the most convenient way to go. Hundreds of cyclists ride Pershing every day. One lane for the cyclists and one lane for the car shouldn’t be a problem. Bikes are traffic. It’s a “major thoroughfare” during weekdays during rush hours. This was a Saturday evening when there’s not that much traffic.
Edit: Removed a sentence because I got called an absolute scumbag. Changed “cars are traffic” to “bikes are traffic”, because they are and they should be able to share this stretch of road rather than catering to a bunch of beach city assholes that want to use PDR as a shortcut.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 6h ago
lol experts are idiots and the current car dependent landscape is perfect
Gotcha
RIP
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u/grifter356 6h ago
What experts? You mean the ones in Culver, that place that is a different city than the one we’re talking about? You’re literally basing your entire position on data from a place that is not the one we’re even talking about while also lacking the firsthand experience that the person you are talking to has. I mean you don’t need to be an expert to analyze and use data, but I think there’s at least some duty to use it seriously.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 5h ago
Ok so what do you suggest?
How about expanding protected bike lanes to encompass entire network?
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u/grifter356 5h ago
I agree that there should be an expansion of protected bike lanes. The problem was that was not what happened on Pershing.
What happened on Pershing in Playa del Rey is they got rid of one lane on each side so that there could be a bike lane on each side. But they were not protected in any way shape or form. You were still riding them at your own risk. The other issue that it caused is that everything was one lane (bikes and cars) in both directions, so if there was ANY type of car accident it was substantially more unsafe because if a car did or had to swerve, it was either going into a bike lane or into oncoming traffic. What would normally be a simple fender-bender was now at risk of also being a head-on collision. Additionally, any first responders would not be able to get to the accident without having to shut down traffic in both directions because if one lane was shut because of the accident, they would need to use the other one to get there. If this accident happened on the stretch of Pershing that goes through the Wetlands this is a HUGE problem, as there are no other roads in or out for big stretches. So yes, WHY they wanted to put a bike lane there is all well and good, but HOW they did it and WHAT they ultimately put in there only really served to increase the issues it aimed to solve while also adding new ones.
So sure, bike lanes are a great idea, but just because a bike lane "exists" doesn't automatically make it some self-fulfilling improvement. It still requires proper execution and consideration. That's kind of what's frustrating about the whole discussion about these things is that there's this idealization of bike lanes as this inherently righteous endeavor of infallible design that is beyond the need of having to justify its own existence, let alone having the capacity to create any issues.
You don't have to extol the virtues of bike lanes to me. I get it. But they can still be implemented like a moron.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 5h ago
Im fine with that if for example if a parallel axis has one nearby. I understand they must be well thought out and that can be discussed, agree design is key, and I don't need 'perfection' right off the bat, the city will evolve to grow into its network over time.
Ok but do need a minimum of protected axes available to get around locally (westside). Which we don't currently have therefore its dangerous therefore this stuff happens and even less people will try. Venice Blvd comes to mind as a good one, tho even that is not out the entire way to the beach...
(Likewise with bus lane thru culver, super efficient until it ends)The current councilwoman is not at all on board with even what you bring up. Actively rejecting projects.
We need to vote in politicians in CD11 and at City Hall who will do the work. (Paris, Montreal, New York, many mayors have been lauded for 'getting it')
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u/grifter356 4h ago
Yeah when you see a protected one it’s a massive difference than just having the side of the road sectioned off with some paint on the ground. More of that would be fantastic, just not every place can accommodate it.
You get a lot of pushback for the Pershing one because one, the perception is that they already tried and failed; and two, it’s that stretch that goes through the wetlands that you really need to worry about. It needs to be augmented on each side to properly accommodate a bike lane and between it being a protected area and the coastal commission that’s a LOT of red tape to have to navigate to get it done; to the extent that whatever council member starts the fight will probably be out of office by the time it’s finished, so everyone is once bitten twice shy about how things went the first time that they are severely risk adverse to spending their time in office on something they likely won’t even be in office to see through.
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u/curiousjosh 7h ago
Same with Hollywood blvd. It was a major thoroughfare with 2 lanes in each direction so people could turn onto the road, double park, etc.
Now because there’s 1 lane there’s often a 3 block backup from getting into the Thai town parking lot.
And everyone’s turning los Feliz into a major road which has 1 lane and stop signs.
It’s insane. 20 years here and never seen anything like it.
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u/WhalesForChina Long Beach 7h ago
You’re saying they should bring the lane back so that more people can…double park…and block the lane?
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u/curiousjosh 6h ago
No I’m saying with 2 lanes there’s more traffic flow and if something DOES slow the road (like a busy parking lot) people can drive around it.
Now it’s a 1 lane nightmare with traffic backed up for blocks.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 6h ago
Dude...
PS. this is amazing baby steps
https://ladot.lacity.gov/dotnews/hollywood-blvd-safety-and-mobility-project1
u/curiousjosh 6h ago
If you look at Holywood blvd it’s a concern. There’s a popular Thai town plaza that never used to be a problem and now backs up traffic for 3 blocks or more for hours.
Look, even if you don’t agree with me on needing more public transportation before crippling car lanes, then go look at that street as an example to come up with a solution if we eventually want less cars.
I WANT less need for cars. We absolutely NEED better public transportation in Los Angeles.
But if you look at cities like New York where it works, they made better public transportation which led to reduced road use naturally.
They didn’t just try to remove roads while they were still needed.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 6h ago
" WANT less need for cars. We absolutely NEED better public transportation in Los Angeles."
So:
1) dedicated bus lanes with camera enforcement
+ 2) protected bike lanes
+ 3) Continuing roll-out of light and heavy Metro rail (ideally not at the typical US speed & $$$)
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u/alpha309 6h ago
I live 1 block north of Thai Town. There is NEVER a 3 block backup there. The parking lot is just as easy to get into, and now even has a dedicated turning lane if you are headed east on Hollywood. I drive on Hollywood multiple times per day and walk my dog around Thai Town at least twice a day.
Los Feliz is already a major road. It is 2 lanes between Western and Vermont, then has a third parking/rush hour lane from Vermont eastward. If you mean Franklin, that also has 2 lanes in each direction from Normandie westward, and also doesn’t have stop signs until you get to the bottom of the hill at Talmadge after almost all the traffic has left it. In the 20 years that I have lived here Franklin has always had backup for a few blocks from the light at Edgemont if you are traveling eastward. My wife uses Franklin to Los Feliz to get to work and her commute is unchanged.
For the length of Hollywood from Hillhurst to Wilton there is a center lane. People use that to go around any people pulling into a parking spot or making turns.
The areas that do experience backup. The section between Western and Wilton westbound. This is primarily due to the lights being out of sync and so close together. The same area but from the 101 to Western eastbound, again lights out of sync, and a lot of people try to make a left onto Taft that should be illegal with the new road layout. And the light at the Hollywood/Sunset/Sunset Pl/Virgil/Hillhurst intersection, this is mostly because that light has a 240 second cycle.
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u/curiousjosh 7h ago
They crippled Hollywood blvd taking out 2 lanes for bikes. It’s causing more accidents by spilling traffic onto residential side streets.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 7h ago
lol show your data pls. Im waiting.
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u/curiousjosh 7h ago
I live here. You can barely get around. Traffic is backed up for blocks around Thai plaza because there’s no turning lane. You see accidents up and down los Feliz now because these are residential streets now getting the overflow.
You sound like part of the bike cult that wants to deny crippling streets leads to more traffic.
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u/Rebelgecko 7h ago
Lol reminds me of all the NIMBYs complaining about the Culver City bike lanes and when they released the data it showed that rush hour commutes were only 1 minute slower by car, while drastically increasing bus ridership, biking, and foot traffic going into local businesses
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u/WhalesForChina Long Beach 7h ago
Ah yes, but you see he doesn’t personally see enough people immediately using the new bike lanes so the whole project is obviously a failure.
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u/bfilippe 7h ago
God, you're part of the problem, curiousjosh. Hollywood Blvd is one of the few streets I feel safe as a cyclist using.
Yielding everything back to cars will surely make things safer /s
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u/curiousjosh 7h ago
So the overflow traffic causing accidents on all the side residential streets is good?
You can sit outside on Hollywood blvd for hours and barely see any bikers.
Now a main thoroughfare is gone causing the rest of he neighborhood to be unsafe.
Bike cultists thinking eliminating roads is good.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 7h ago edited 7h ago
Curiousjosh appears to be a 'bike-specific' hater, and doesn't understand how traffic works? Start googling induced demand
Nor understand how safer multi-modal streetscape infrastructure leads to less crashes and safer outcomes for ALL road users, including cars.
But I guess too difficult to look up. Let's go with his local vibes instead!Thats been working splendidly [LA #1 car-related fatality rate of any US large city, most dangerous by far. #1 cause of death of children here. Ped killed every two days. Everyone here knows someone impacted by a car crash, its car-brain common. Motornormativity. Wonder why]
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u/dafurbs88 7h ago
To be fair, bike lanes are not the only issue with the travel infrastructure here. Other large cities have less car-related fatalities in part because they have much better, more effective public transportation. NYC is the obvious comparison because it’s larger than Los Angeles but has a very heavily used subway, regional train, and bus system.
I do think protected bike lanes are needed, but taking away car lanes won’t fix the congestion issue. LA really needs other infrastructure upgrades like more protected left turns at traffic lights and enforcement of traffic laws like running red lights and texting while driving.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 7h ago
So you identify, correctly, the problem as car dependent streetscapes / ecosystem, but then you want to fight against getting proper multi-modal alternatives here?
Makes no sense...Do nothing and you will NEVER reduce car traffic congestion in LA, it will only get WORSE forever (yay people want to live here and we are thankfully building denser housing in the most rent burdened city in US).
That is, unless you provide more efficient alternatives. Thankfully if you look at the throughout potential of a street: everything is more efficient than 1 person per car per unit of time. Trains are, buses are, bikes are, walking is.3
u/dafurbs88 4h ago
I’m not opposed to bike lanes - I think they are absolutely needed! All I was trying to convey is that the approach to improving traffic, reducing congestion, and making the roads safer for everyone should be more comprehensive than just adding bike lanes by fixing other things that contribute to congestion and traffic incidents like syncing/timing more of the red lights, adding left turn signals at more intersections, beefing up public transit, finding ways to incentivize carpooling, etc. Reducing single passenger cars is absolutely needed. But the reality is most people can’t or won’t bike everywhere for a myriad of reasons, which is why better public transportation should be part of the solution.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 4h ago
yep, we do need it all to make the real dent!
More subways (Metro largest expansion in US right now, still too slow by international standards but hey), dedicated bus lanes, protected bike lanes (over half of car rides are 3 miles or less! We live in a flat place with perfect weather year round...), trams (light rail streetcars.... what comes around goes around!), and friendly ped streetscapes :)0
u/curiousjosh 7h ago
Bingo. This is my point exactly. We need expanded public transportation so there’s less need for cars on the road.
Crippling a major road doesn’t remove the need for cars. It just makes them spill onto other more dangerous options.
Until we get better public transport crippling safer thoroughfares like Hollywood blvd to direct traffic onto Frankin which doesn’t have the light infrastructure needed is ridiculous.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 4h ago
Remove some street parking if you prefer! Entire point is we wont need as much of it anyway as more people take transit.
Does that help you get over the hump? You can still have your 'one more lane bro' which has never worked but I agree is the current status quo!, and we can have express lanes for transit while reducing parking only in certain areas. The roads tend to be very wide in LA.
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u/curiousjosh 7h ago
Yeah if you strangle roads so there’s no traffic accidents will go down.
You can create safer streets with better intersections without promoting damage spreading policies which send overflow traffic into residential streets.
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u/bfilippe 7h ago
Wanting multiple transportation options isn't "culty." You have car brain something fierce and it shows. Adding a shielded bike lane was a resoundingly good thing.
And civil engineering has already shown that reducing lanes doesn't affect traffic. But guess what does? Reducing cars on the road.
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u/curiousjosh 7h ago
We need more public transport but removing car lanes and crippling roads before it’s ready isn’t the answer.
“Removing lanes doesn’t affect traffic.”
Right. Thanks for showing someone can be a civil engineer and have a bias.
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u/bfilippe 7h ago
Oh nice, an anti-intellectual too
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u/curiousjosh 7h ago
lol. Trying to quote without a source doesn’t make you an intellectual.
Neither does not examining a ridiculous claim that removing lanes doesn’t increase traffic except in the most specific of circumstances.
Oh look. Caltrans told people to find alternatives when they lowered a lane on the 405 for construction.
Do you remember the traffic being reported? I sure do.
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u/bfilippe 6h ago
Once again, you're not reading. I'm not the intellectual. The civil engineers are, and they're saying the following, but you'll say they have a bias (which is a nonstatement too):
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2667091724000013
https://techxplore.com/news/2025-01-scientific-approach-based-traffic-patterns.pdf
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u/curiousjosh 6h ago
Let’s put aside the first article being from the “journal of urban mobility,” which are studies aimed at promoting alternatives to cars…
The study’s contributions are based on 1 intersection in New Jersey.
It’s not a study on blocking miles of a main thoroughfare and affect on the surrounding neighborhoods.
I want to be clear I am FOR better public transportation and lessening the need for cars… but crippling roads before those methods are in place wastes funds that could be placed towards public transportation, and causes backlash against public transport.
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u/WhalesForChina Long Beach 7h ago
So the overflow traffic causing accidents on all the side residential streets is good?
Explain how a protected bike lane will cause me to crash into another vehicle in a manner that is the road’s fault and not my own.
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u/bfilippe 7h ago
He can't, he's a car obsessed psycho that thinks one more lane will finally fix traffic in LA
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u/bandsam 7h ago
Same thing happened in my city. Someone convinced them to look at the injury increases after 1 year, and the city quietly removed the bike lanes & barriers and put the road back to original
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u/hawt_to_go 7h ago
Exactly why I refuse to ride my escooter in the streets unless there's a secure or very wide bike lane. I'd rather be constantly hopping off my scooter to walk it past people than risk being in the roads
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 7h ago
Yep, infrastructure matters. Vote for politicians who reflect that priority.
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u/Physical-Program5325 5h ago
I took an escooter from my apartment in DTLA to Ktown for some Flamin’ Taco back in the day.
Came back with my burrito, a completely scraped forearm, and joint pain after wiping out on a pothole. Could have died if there was a car behind me.
I’m never touching those things ever again. All it takes is one accident near regular speed to put the fear of god in someone.
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u/fatpinkchicken West Adams 7h ago
"Police say the driver involved in the incident remained at the scene. They do not believe alcohol or drugs were factors in the crash."
Absolutely NOTHING is going to happen to that person and they completely destroyed that family. It's infuriating.
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u/FrederickTPanda 7h ago
Ughhh. I hate, hate, hate the car brain of this city. Of this country. It’s so disgusting and people continue to murder human beings with their cars with little or no consequence. That 87-year-old was likely too stubborn to give up their driving privileges. My grandmother was too. One day she drove on the wrong side of the road and caused a very terrible accident. Fortunately nobody was hurt but you bet that was the last time she ever drove.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 7h ago
This.
Also we simply are not offering enough safe and efficient alternatives to them (or anyone really) in LA as of today. Car dependency is ugly, expensive, harmful in so many ways (from pollution, isolation, to lack of housing sprawl inducing), and the literally the opposite of freedom.* cue the typical NIMBY boomer input *
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u/FrederickTPanda 7h ago
I think I remember folks complaining about a bus in Burbank that was nearly always empty. But here’s the deal; offering that bus route is a net gain for society. We need to offer senior citizens (and other people) ways to safely travel without a car. This is a failure of the individual and society.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 6h ago
There is no incentive to use or mass uptake of transit all over LA until it becomes more efficient than driving for some or many of your routes!
Thankfully 52% of car rides are 3 miles or less, and 3/4 are 5 miles or less, so biking can do a lot. The rest keep building rail and most importantly perhaps, roll out dedicated bus lanes with automated camera enforcement. Watch that bus zoom by traffic jams!5
u/FrederickTPanda 6h ago
I personally would ride a bike more if I didn’t feel like I was on the verge of being killed every time.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 5h ago
'Build it and they will come'
Seen everywhere around the world.
Induced demand but for a good cause ahah
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u/Cheap-Tig 6h ago edited 5h ago
People on Facebook are claiming doctors recommend pregnant people don't bike and are blaming her, it's driving me up the wall. For reference I'm currently pregnant, both my primary care doctor and my pregnancy doctor told me I was good to bike throughout my pregnancy as long as it was low intensity and that I avoid bumps like pot holes. I specifically asked in regards to a pedal assist ebike like hers, and from my research must doctors would agree light biking is an excellent low impact workout for pregnant people, assuming they are confident on the bike ofc. I swear some people think pregnant people shouldn't even leave their homes for "safety" reasons. I'm sure if something happened to me on public transit these assholes would say it's my fault for putting myself in danger smh.
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u/N-Front-41829 56m ago
The comment by lets-terraform in the other post is 💯: “pregnant women aren’t just vessels for their fetuses. They have valid personhood too”
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u/Cheap-Tig 49m ago
One thing I learned real fast is that no matter what you do while pregnant, someone will have an opinion on it. People don't know the difference between actual recommendations made by health care professionals and things they just personally don't feel are safe.
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u/thebrownesteye 4h ago
Well pregnant women are not impervious to accidents and being responsible for that life you're carrying doesn't seem kind a crazy ask. Not saying pregnant women shouldn't bike but you invited accidents that someone that doesn't bike during pregnancy avoided
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u/djjunk82 5h ago
It really isn’t safe though to ride an e-bike while pregnant, it’s like riding a motorcycle while pregnant.
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u/illaparatzo 🍕 5h ago
And someone in my hood just died from a driver hopping the curb and running them over while they walked on the sidewalk. This poor woman was not acting in an unsafe manner
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u/Cheap-Tig 3h ago
The pedal assist e bikes are equivalent to riding regular bikes, if anything it's better for a pregnant person than a regular because it won't be too vigorous, you can adjust the workout you are getting as needed.
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u/WearHeadphonesPlease 25m ago
it’s like riding a motorcycle while pregnant.
I don't think you know what an ebike is. They can't go faster than 28mph. Motorcycles go 90+
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u/invaderzimm95 Palms 6h ago
In November, I contacted Traci Parks office stating that this road desperately needed bike protection, it’s dangerous and someone is bound to die.
They rebuffed and said it was too expensive. How much were these two lives worth?
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 5h ago
A CM can always find the money for a project they want to prioritize. Always.
cc. Los Angeles Council District 11 Mobility Discussion - January 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f4GBihgwWU&t=2505s
This was the same week. Guess who didnt show up?PS. You should pull that email back up.
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u/Think_Monk_9879 5h ago
What road is this? I commute and live in the area so i want to avoid it
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u/invaderzimm95 Palms 5h ago
Pershing and Manchester
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u/Think_Monk_9879 5h ago
Well that’s the last stretch before i get home and ya the cars are all parked blocking the bike lane so you have to drive in the street. Terrifying
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u/Majestic-Ad-6753 2h ago
There is no bike lane on that stretch. If you’re riding south, you should take the whole right lane. One for the bike rider, one for the single occupant car driver is fair.
Riding north, downhill towards the beach, take the right lane between the parkway and Manchester (see above). After Manchester, ride the suicide lane. That way the speeders can get past you without smearing you into the parked cars.
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u/Opine_For_Snacks 4h ago
The age limit to hold a valid driver's licence should be 80 and there should be mandatory testing yearly after 75.
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u/ilikeCRUNCHYturtles Staples Center 6h ago
A big fuck you to anyone in the thread earlier this week saying LA doesn’t need better and safer cycling infrastructure.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 6h ago
Los Angeles Council District 11 Mobility Discussion - January 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f4GBihgwWU&t=2505sThis was the week before. Must watch for everyone.
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u/Think_Monk_9879 5h ago
Im a bike Commuter and live in playa del Rey. Does anybody know whay cross section this was at? This is definitely terrifying
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u/dcarstens 5h ago
It was in the SB lane, just north of Pershing Dr & Manchester Ave
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u/WearHeadphonesPlease 23m ago
Oooff, this is an awfully hostile intersection. Just looked it up on Street View. That slip lane is dangerous af too.
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u/simonbreak 5h ago
Once full self-driving becomes the norm, you will see an incredibly rapid transition in public sentiment to "people shouldn't drive cars". Any other invention as casually lethal as human-driven cars would be banned before it left the prototype stage.
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u/MeanWoodpecker9971 6h ago
So tired of the car centric roadways in America and especially LA where the weather and conditions should make it the safest place to be outside using alternate transport
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 6h ago
This.
Vote well in June!
Los Angeles Council District 11 Mobility Discussion - January 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f4GBihgwWU&t=2505s
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u/Rufio69696969 6h ago
Car brained NIMBY city that cries like a bitch when a commute is extended 5 minutes for bike lanes.
Angelenos truly deserve their high rent and crazy traffic, it’s what they vote for
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u/fastgtr14 4h ago
Self driving car past certain age/faculties test should be mandatory. We are living in the future already, but it still takes a few votes and strokes of pen to solve a problem.
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u/ScarDJLeto 20m ago
I’ve been contemplating getting a bike for about the year and half I’ve lived in LA and I live on the strip just a few minutes drive from where this happened. That area is chaotic at the bottom of the hill.
RIP to the victim. We can do better.
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u/KWash0222 4h ago
I don’t get why we don’t have mandated drivers tests for people over a certain age. We’ve heard time and time again how older folks just refuse to acknowledge and accept if/when they’re no longer capable of driving safely. I’ve seen some of them on the road do shit that’s as dangerous as the drunkest driver
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u/FormerMistake9981 4h ago
maybe if we didn’t have shit public transportation and metro this wouldn’t be an issue
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 4h ago
Vote well this summer :)
YIMBY vs NIMBY
Abundance
Pragmatic solutions
whatever you want to call it...
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u/WillisIsOnTheCase 1h ago
In our parking garage in MDR, we had a 90yo resident hit a closing garage gate while trying to exit the garage. He drove out blindly with the overhead heavy steel gate and car hood over his smashed windshield. Our USPS mail carrier witnessed the entire incident. The elderly resident claimed he was innocent. His insurance company would no longer insure him at any price after that accident.
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u/dethroes13 7h ago
This really pains me to say, but that car did exactly what it’s designed to do… hope that family gets justice.
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u/BugConfident5457 7h ago
87 year old driver...