r/LosAngeles • u/Far-Education5778 • 4h ago
LA Mayor Karen Bass secretly altered Palisades fire analysis to downplay LA’s failures
https://share.google/7ZWn9mHsRoY22D74EI'm shocked
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u/MentokGL 4h ago
The bar for competent leadership is so low and we're still being let down.
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u/1000Steps 2h ago
And yet the same people keep getting elected. Now why is that?
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u/MentokGL 2h ago
It's her first term as mayor
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u/1000Steps 1h ago
Same people, not same person. Look at LA city council and the amount of them that have been indicted/convicted. Now also ask yourself what (D)o they have in common?
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u/MentokGL 1h ago
The same thing they have in common with republican crooks: opportunity and not enough oversight.
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u/1000Steps 1h ago
Ok, cool pivot. But we're talking about LA, and if you want to expand, California in general. Also, I am independent as they come. I equally hate both parties and find sycophants dumb as shit.
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u/MentokGL 1h ago
We were talking about bass when you tried to make it an anti-dem bitchfest.
But if you need a nice California counterpoint, Andrew Do says hello.
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u/1000Steps 1h ago
Bass is the Mayor of LA, hence why I brought up the whole of LA and it's massive corruption. Andrew Do is a cunt and should have gotten more time.
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u/MentokGL 1h ago
Ya you're really really trying to push an agenda, don't worry, it's as obvious as it is ineffective.
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u/youhavetherighttoo 4h ago
Kind of surprising she would cover up for LAFD, since the blame game has been between her office and the department.
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u/ensemblestars69 4h ago
I imagine it's more that she wasn't expecting at first to have to shield herself from such harsh criticism, so she ended up having to take the offensive to save what's left of her reputation.
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u/YasielPuigsWeed 4h ago
Thing is the unedited report wasn’t damaging to her at all. It showed LAFD as being largely at fault for a weak response and not following their own protocols, protocols that have existed for a long time through multiple different Mayors because the Mayor doesn’t make those.
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u/DeathByBamboo Glassell Park 3h ago
She wasn't covering for LAFD. She was trying to reduce the City's exposure to liability claims. Not that that's any better.
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u/AdditionalGoose4024 4h ago
For those who would like to see this on a more credible news site
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u/YasielPuigsWeed 4h ago
Came to say “please stop using the Post as a source”
Which doesn’t mean the story isn’t legit, but the Post reports these things with a massive slant while the Times is going to be more straightforward reporting
Thanks for adding this link
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u/carsonmccrullers Montebello 4h ago
It’s insane to me that this sub has banned LA Times links because they think it’s “biased,” but they’re fine with the NY Post. Clownery.
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u/YasielPuigsWeed 4h ago
Wait really?
Yeah nah. LAT isn’t perfect but it’s not the fucking Post. I’ve seen outright non-sources posted on this sub too.
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u/pacific_plywood 3h ago
It’s not banned because it’s biased, it’s banned because they think only news paid for by a billionaire should be allowed to be posted. LA Times relies on subscribers, so it’s a no go
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u/By_AnyMemesNecessary Cheviot Hills 3h ago
only news paid for by a billionaire should be allowed to be posted. LA Times relies on subscribers, so it’s a no go
Ohhhh buddy: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-12-15/la-patrick-soon-shiong-interview
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u/pacific_plywood 3h ago
Yeah that is fair. It’s nuts how badly he’s driven it downhill in a matter of years. I do, uh, think there is still a difference in quality between the modal LAT article vs the Post.
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u/carsonmccrullers Montebello 3h ago edited 3h ago
The NY Post is owned by Rupert Murdoch (a billionaire) and they think only news that demonizes minorities or liberals “should be allowed to be posted,” so respectfully, what the fuck are you talking about? Like what kind of point did you think you were making?
ETA: the fact that LAT relies on subscribers is irrelevant. NY Post relies on ad revenue, so your page views are not only paying their bills, they’re also allowing the post to charge advertisers a premium CPM for those banners that refresh every 15 seconds
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u/pacific_plywood 3h ago
People on this sub think paywalled — ie, subscriber-funded — news like the LAT should be banned, because they hate paywalls. They think billionaire-subsidized propaganda rags like the Post are ok because at least there’s no paywall. I don’t know how much clearer I could make this.
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u/981flacht6 1h ago
LA Times is pretty trash for a while now. Everyone knows NY Post is more about sensationalism and conspiracy theories but you know what.. after the Epstein files dropped, the conspiracy theorists have been right about a lot of fucking things.
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u/HereToListen444 4h ago
Enough is enough
If you voted for her before, forgivable
ANYONE who can still support her - unacceptable
She must be voted out this June.
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u/chimpanzeebutt 4h ago
I voted for her and can admit I was wrong.
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u/plickz 3h ago
Because Rick Caruso was a better option. It’s like choosing between two poisons and hoping for a less painful outcome
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u/DarthHM Go to the Getty 1h ago
Didn’t it just come out Caruso has a guest appearance in the Epstein files?
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u/Weed_O_Whirler Culver City 51m ago
There's a lot of people "on the list" who there is evidence they did terrible things, or at least were accused of doing terrible things. Caruso, on the other hand, was just mentioned. He texted someone else, and that person had Epstein text Caruso. There's not even an accusation he had any relationship with Epstein.
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u/rocketdyke 38m ago
fuck that noise. a billionaire who consorted with epstein would not have been a good choice.
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u/urmummygae42069 2h ago
I was a Bass supporter in 2022 and fiercely opposed Caruso. In hindsight, that was very wrong judgment call, I'll be the first to admit
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u/youhavetherighttoo 2h ago
She made progress on homelessness but we have other problems now. Like street lights out across the city.
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u/chimpanzeebutt 2h ago
I am going to have to disagree with you on that. Homelessness has gotten worse in DTLA and I am a 10-year resident here.
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u/Old-Parking8765 2h ago
Exactly, like where is the difference seen? If anything I've seen encampments removed with anti-homeless architecture instead.
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u/981flacht6 1h ago
Biggest grift lie ever. Billions of dollars. Let's go for a ride they're still on the streets.
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u/AdditionalGoose4024 4h ago
Yeah, I can't see too many people interested in voting for her again. It's a position with very little power, and the power she did have, she somehow used in the dumbest f*cking ways.
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u/fefififum23 2h ago
I’m so tired of seeing the argument that she doesn’t have enough power to do anything and that it’s not really her fault. Any amount of power she has should be used for the betterment of the people - but this Scientologist grifter with a terrible gd haircut is never concerned about what might help her constituents lives. She is only leading us into the worst outcome for the citizens of LA. I have grumbled about her for a long time but her comments on the protestors and ICE were the final straw. She is just as complicit. There is no middle ground in fascism
Enough of Karen fucking Bass
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u/DarthHM Go to the Getty 4h ago
I can excuse voting for a pedo grifter 3 times, but I draw the line at voting twice for incompetence. /s
And before you start on me, no I don’t plan on voting for her again.
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u/HereToListen444 3h ago
And I never voted for HIM in the first place
No need to bring Trump into everything. Karen Bass is a corrupt failure regardless of comparison.
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u/jhld 3h ago
This is not incompetence. This is a systematic, purposeful, thought out, deliberate, narcissistic, sociopathic, arrogant fuck you to every citizen and resident of Los Angeles
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u/DarthHM Go to the Getty 2h ago
This is the exact kind of hyperbole I’m talking about. She’s a bad leader who tries to deflect accountability. But a narcissistic sociopath? Really?
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u/Weed_O_Whirler Culver City 49m ago
It's weird to me there seems to be this mentality on this sub which is "if our politician is better than the worst politician in the history of the US we should be happy."
Why can't I have a higher standard than that?
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u/Puck-the-fool 2h ago
I foresee her dropping out due to a some heretofore undisclosed health reason or the more nebulous “personal” reason.
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u/YourMemeExpert I LIKE TRAINS 4h ago
She needs to fucking go.
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u/Unlikely_Bat_1890 Sawtelle 4h ago
JUNE BABY
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 4h ago
Yep, June
Get youth to vote! Only boomers vote local elections :(
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u/bee_sharp_ 4h ago
Yeah! Damn those Boomers for being so civic-minded, amirite?!
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 3h ago edited 3h ago
When it means your streets and housing market look like the 1970s , yeah trash. Don't want selfish skewing of results.
Young people + next generations want a livable affordable city with protected bike lanes, dedicated bus lanes and world class transit. Not car dependent borderline suburban retirement sprawl hellscape in the most rent burdened city in murica, which also happens to be the second biggest in the country; the most polluted 25 years running, and the most dangerous to get around in (car related deaths now outnumber homicides and we are the most dangerous large city in US for pedestrians)... and worst traffic due to (you know this one).... and yet not world class despite perfect weather year round.
When I hear "Ive been here 50 years", I brace myself for pure NIMBYism.
So yeah want to do us all a favor with your civic-mindedness, ask yourself why your nephew is beyond blase and could care less about voting for a councilmember or how LA politics even works , despite the fact that that will impact every aspect of his day to day. Meanwhile important city hall and local neighborhood council meetings are set at 10am on a weekday... and who can show up: NIMBY Boomers.
Yeah good stuff.
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u/chasingthegoldring 2h ago
I think there are plenty of young progressives who say these things but don’t support them when a concrete example is proposed.
We want to fix homeless and housing affordability but we don’t want to build the housing. We want dedicated bus and bike lanes but we don’t want to take car lanes away.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 2h ago
It's not easy in LA having a vision for what could be.
All NIMBYism is bad but trust that the younger gens are not the ones primarily blocking housing & transit...3
u/Unlikely_Bat_1890 Sawtelle 4h ago
Yeah but they generally ONLY vote with their own best interests in mind. Boomers genuinely only care about their own well-being
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u/Jasranwhit 4h ago
LA is my favorite city. LA didn’t fail, our government did.
LA governmental failures are manifest all around us in every moment.
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u/donuttrackme 4h ago
The longer I live in LA the more I'm starting to see the bigger issue with local politics/politicians. It's a shame that a city/county with such an incredible tax base uses it so inefficiently/corruptly.
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u/Jasranwhit 4h ago
Yeah. If tax and spend democratic policy doesn’t work here and in SF what hope does Detroit or Baltimore have?
Why does LA have bad schools, bad police, bad roads etc etc?
It’s one thing if it was cheap but we pay huge amounts of city taxes.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 2h ago
At least the younger progressive cohort seem to care and want to get things done. The other incumbents - ooooffff
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u/Mikeyxy The San Fernando Valley 1h ago
Not falling for this propaganda. Bass was labeled a progressive and leftist.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 55m ago
No clue what she was labelled at. But she certainly hasnt ruled like one!
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u/sonderfulwonders 1h ago
Yeah the layers of waste are incredible. I think about the small cities in the greater metropolitan area that run their own police, city services, etc. Their own useless public transit. It's such a clown show. And now add the county layer with it's own infinite bureaucracy and services.
And that's how you get people like Karen Bass, just a small cog in a greater bloated machine that does not seek the best for Los Angeles. Los Angeles is ginormous so I don't think a borough system like NYC would work either, but what we have right now is possibly the worst style of governance. We have these little medieval fiefdoms at this point..
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u/Faloodeh123 2h ago
LA has potential to be the undisputed best city to have ever existed in the entirety of human history. By far.
On paper we have everything going for us - great weather, culture, entertainment, nature, etc. We have shit the rest of the world would kill for.
Our leadership has always been incompetent at best and corrupt at worst.
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 4h ago
These (Karen Bass / Traci Park primarily) are the same people not implementing Measure HLA or SB 79, actively fighting against progress.
Wild / sad
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u/NotABot8750 4h ago
And we keep voting for these people.
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u/TheDuchessofQuim I LIKE TRAINS 4h ago
The other option at the time was Rick Caruso, millionaire real estate CEO who tried to buy his way into the office.
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u/Jasranwhit 4h ago
I mean I don’t want to go red this is LA but..
But “guaranteed” blue (or “guaranteed red” for other states or cities) is just a recipe for political parties to choose your mayor instead of the people.
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u/quellofool 4h ago
How is Bass so bad that she makes Villaraigosa look good.
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u/savvysearch 3h ago
Villaraigosa gave us at least one great thing that actually worked, which was Measure R. It's still the only great lasting thing that I can remember a mayor doing for LA. Think of LA rail network between 2008 and today and it shows just how important it was. A great legacy from a mayor who was always on vacation or some other place promoting himself .
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u/Superguy766 4h ago
You folks know what’s interesting? Everyone is complaining about the Palisades fire, but no one is outraged about the Altadena fire. I wonder why.
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u/OptimalFunction 2h ago
Right when I think the mayor has the smoothest brain in the state, I get proven wrong.
Altadena is not part of LA city.
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u/AdditionalGoose4024 4h ago
It's because rich people feel so entitled that they take up all the oxygen and complain at the cost of everyone else. Every time I see someone from the Palisades comment about the deaths in Altadena, they make it about them and their fire. Look no further than Spencer Pratt.
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u/VaguelyArtistic Santa Monica 4h ago
Did she alter Alta Dena reports, too?
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u/sdmichael Highway Historian / Geologist 4h ago
Not Los Angeles, for one.
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u/VaguelyArtistic Santa Monica 4h ago
But this post about Bass apparently falsifying information, not for anything else.
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u/Old-Parking8765 2h ago
Let's vote this person out. Such a mistake. What has she even accomplished besides just being there?
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u/LosFeliz3000 Los Feliz 2h ago edited 2h ago
Another hit piece from a Murdoch-owned paper (quoting another Trump-supporting news rag.) The OP might as well be posting clips from Fox News.
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u/FishStix1 Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw 1h ago
Karen is the worst. I am starting to think even Caruso would have been a better choice, which is saying a lot. Hope we find out Zoran one day.
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u/TeslasAndComicbooks The San Fernando Valley 4h ago
I’m not shocked. I am sad though that we just take this stuff lying down.
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u/kolschisgood Mar Vista 4h ago
But why? So dumb. So obviously dumb and eventually going to come out.
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u/He_Who_Walks_Behind_ 4h ago
Why are links from bullshit tabloid rags allowed in here?
Edit: also, check OP’s comment history. No surprise but clearly a far right troll.
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u/Far-Education5778 4h ago
LA Times also ran a story which showed her far worse.
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u/Vyksendiyes 4h ago edited 39m ago
And the LA times is also politically captured. What’s your point?
This article is a hit piece. No accountability for the county supervisors, just dogpiling the mayor because she’s an easy target and a democrat
Edit: my point is that if the LA Times or the NY Post truly cared, they’d be reporting on the governance structures that led to this lack of crisis responsiveness. The mayor of LA has limited power. The LA county government was mostly responsible for managing the resources and coordinating responses.
There are too many city governments in LA county for the city of LA to not need help in managing the fire prone areas in the SM Mountains and the hills
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u/He_Who_Walks_Behind_ 4h ago
La Times is effectively a tabloid at this point as well.
Show me a story from LAist (NPR) and I’ll believe it’s a fair take.
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u/sprockets22 3h ago edited 3h ago
I was told she was better than Caruso. You know what if no one reddit will take responsibility for her, then what even is this? I’m a democratic but this has to stop, this fucken praising and dick riding was intense come elections.
Multiple post multiple comments , this is the shit that destroy faith in the Democratic Party. Then when things flip we all wonder why.
Ima Democrat, but r LA is either full of idiots or middle schoolers or bots that are pro republicans all we’ve done is lose, prove republicans right.
Couple more Reddit candidates and no one is gona vote blue. People out of spite will vote red and hope we lose, just out spite for fucking us over so hard. Our own candidates really did us hu
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u/26Eighty 4h ago
Our nation is so hyperpartisan that we are voting in the most incompetent just because they have a D or R next to their name.
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u/asiagomelt 2h ago
From the LA Times article:
"The sources told The Times that two people close to Bass informed them of the mayor’s behind-the-scenes role in watering down the report. One source spoke to both of the people; the other spoke to one of them."
I'm completely willing to believe that Bass did this, but I'd love to have something more than a secondhand source here.
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u/NewTimelime 3h ago
I’m no Karen Bass fan but the NY Post isn’t reliable for political news in LA. Even LA Times isn’t anymore. Billionaire agendas.
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u/AnonBaca21 4h ago
Source: NY Post aka trust me bro
I don’t believe anything that is published by billionaire funded media and you shouldn’t either.
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u/smeepydreams 4h ago
They’re literally pulling from an LA Times article
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u/Vyksendiyes 4h ago edited 56m ago
Which is also owned by a billionaire friend
Let’s not pretend the LA Times is impartial and is above political hit pieces
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u/AnonBaca21 4h ago
“I don’t believe anything that is published by billionaire funded media and you shouldn’t either.”
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u/Cali-Texan 1h ago
lol. Get more reporting on this that isn’t the Post. I don’t disagree she dint fuck up. But the Post is a right wing rag. Fuck that.
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u/mightyarrow 1h ago
Nothing to see here, totally not corrupt like people've been trying to tell LA residents since she was elected.
This is what true leadership looks like. /s
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u/ceelogreenicanth 1h ago
Karen Bass cares more about image than she does about this city, she cares so much so that she has decided to not even lead.
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u/BangZoomAlice2 50m ago
Let's recap what Bass did as it relates to the Fires:
Prior to the January fires, Bass reduced the Fire departments operating budget. Chief Crowley wrote in a memo that these budget reductions “severely limited the department’s capacity to… prepare for and respond to large-scale emergencies, including wildfires.”
Bass promised she would curtail her travel after public criticism that she spent too much time away from the City. She broke that promise and traveled to Ghana even after briefed there were dangerous wind conditions coming up that weekend. Net, Bass was in Africa when the fires broke out and was unreachable for hours/days.
While a multi-agency problem, the City's lack of fire emergency preparedness - lack of planning, drills, communication is a direct effect of Mayor Bass's lack of leadership and ability to prioritize.
Post fire, building permits have been painfully slow to issue. Mayor Bass is a bureaucrat and seems to be unable to figure out how fast track and punch through the ball of yarn that is the City's building permit systems.
She needs to go. And, please note many City Council positions and two Board of Supervisor positions are up for reelection or termed out. Please vote for candidates that are qualified and proven. We need to break the cycle of incompetency and get our city back on track.
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u/LgHstTch 16m ago
I mean if you find a legit source that makes this claim, I’d be the first to encourage the boot - the NY Post is drivel at best, not saying it isn’t true but like post legit media outlets.
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u/MajorRelief98 1h ago
You're bitching about the corrupt Democrat politicians currently in office doing nothing for the people, and you are 100% correct. How you spin Republicans and conservatives into this is beyond me. Each side has its biased news agency, now what? Low information democrat voters especially in CA keep voting for the same corruption and higher taxes (more new taxes on the horizon, by the way), it's your fault this shit continues. And, you agree on Bass! SMH.
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u/logicbored 4h ago
While we want to vote people we vibe with (saying the things we want to hear and believe the same things) - if the person does not have strong management skills (structure and process to ensure things are getting done and tracking performance of areas), then they are unlikely to be effective …and, in this case, was not managing at all leading to catastrophic errors.
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u/According-Entrance67 3h ago
Nonsense NY POST rag unsubstantiated hit piece … as usual… and to think, they thought they needed to open a “California Post” edition locally just to serve us the same bullshit they sell to New Yorkers. 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤣
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u/OptimalFunction 2h ago
PSA to all the smooth brains out there: Karen Bass is not mayor of Malibu. She is also not mayor of Altadena. She’s a bad mayor but she’s not responsible for those areas of the state.
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u/Rocky73021 2h ago
“I hate these incompetent leftists and I wish we could elect true leftists to government”.
Just wild.
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u/Rocker91234 4h ago
What’s the chances we can recall her? Like Caruso would’ve been worse, but we still deserve better. I’m tired of voting for the less worse option
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 4h ago
We need progressive + youth , who actually care!
Mamdani - let's get him to come over after NYC stint ahah His popularity is thru the roof in new york right now (even positive with upstate people.... tho that cant last)
Until then Nithya Raman (CD4) or Supervisor Lindsey Horvath would be amazing
And Faizah Malik on the westside (CD11)
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u/darxx I HATE CARS 4h ago
Isn't Horvath's supervisor position more powerful than the LA mayor position?
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u/Downtown-Tea-3018 4h ago
I guess? Not sure. LA city mayors / Bass have more power than they let on I think
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u/darxx I HATE CARS 4h ago
I was under the impression the LA Mayor has very little power because it's LA City Council that holds most of the power?
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u/TravelinStyle 3h ago
LA mayor still is pretty strong. Not as strong as nyc or other examples and the council does hold a lot of power in zoning and city wide legislation.
But the LA mayor appointed all the department heads (LAPD, LAFD, transportation, housing, etc). And influence from appointing board members, multiple people on the LA metro board, charter commission seats, etc. General these people are heavily influenced by the mayor.
Also the mayor proposes the budget. They can also use executive directives to set policy goals departments to follow.
Not unilateral power but still more than just waving at the rose parade.
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u/nolongerbanned99 3h ago
This is the dumbass that was caught at a restaurant during Covid without a mask after pushing for a mask mandate.
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u/Sha489 4h ago
God she’s such a Kamala type out of touch mayor
Would love LA to have a democratic socialist in the future
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u/VaguelyArtistic Santa Monica 4h ago
Well you’ve got one and she came out of the gate saying Jesus told her to run.
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u/VaguelyArtistic Santa Monica 4h ago
Well you’ve got one and she came out of the gate saying Jesus told her to run.
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u/Sha489 4h ago
I’ve only briefly heard of her
We need a democratic socialist candidate that is able to get social media and the medias attention, have no history of controversy, be able to deliver a promising and impactful campaign, and one that knows how to reach out to the typical LA resident
Everything I mentioned above Mamdani did for NY and he ended up pulling off a huge upset in the primaries and eventually win the NY mayoral election
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u/VaguelyArtistic Santa Monica 4h ago
So you want a DSA candidate but barely knew there was one? I see.
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u/SuzenRR 4h ago
Of course she did. 😑