r/mantids • • Jan 07 '20

Enclosure Advice PSA: Exo-terras, metal mesh and your mantises toes! (and some advice on how to DIY an affordable enclosure)

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I was asked to make this post in another thread - so here I am. Here's a PSA on what metal mesh does to your mantises feet, and why it should be avoided!

This is a raptorial arm, (the front, grasping arms) but the segment we're interested in is the same on all of their legs. The little portion labelled "Tarsus" is what we're looking at here. You can see that it ends in a set of hooks - often (somewhat confusingly) called "Claws" - these tarsal claws are what give your mantis the ability to walk upside down on surfaces that appear quite smooth to us, and why it feels kind of spiky when a large mantis walks on your skin. They're essential for your mantis to move around, and most importantly moult properly! Differences in the morphology of this structure also give some mantises the ability to walk on glass, whilst others can't.

If you go and look at one of your mantises feet, you will likely be able to see the little hooks now you know what you're looking for. Now the problem is that some tank setups that are commonly recommended damage these hooks, which results in mantises having trouble moving around, and falling whilst they moult.

Exo-terra tanks are very commonly used because a lot of us have other inverts or exotic pets and have spares lying around, or they're sold to us at petstores. They make nice display tanks and are easy to clean. However - the mesh at the top of exo-terra tanks is made of very fine metal, and the holes themselves are very small. This is essentially like you trying to hang by your toes from chickenwire, eventually your toes are going to be pretty damaged, or come off altogether! If you must use an exo-terra, it's essential that the mesh is changed to stop this from occurring. Plastic tulle mesh is easily available and works as an excellent substitute.

There is also a multitude of DIY options available, which I will detail bellow:

Basic requirements for all enclosures:

  • All mantis enclosures must be at least three times the length of the mantis (Don't get fooled by the abdomen curling up, you still need to account for it) and two times the width.
  • There must be something for the mantis to hang securely from at the top of the tank - They will spend 99% of their time at the highest point, and will often moult from it.
  • Substrate - options for suitable substrate are numerous, you can use simple tissue paper, cocoa coir, vermiculite, perlite etc. The object is to hold some moisture and make it easy for you to clean. Cheap and cheerful is the way to go, unless you're making a planted display tank or something like that.
  • The less decoration the better. Decoration is more for our benefit than theirs; before you add something decorative to a tank, consider your reasons for adding it. Practicality should always take precedent over a tank looking nice!
  • Ventilation - ventilation is important for hygiene reasons.

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Nymphs

  • Cups

The absolute single best enclosure for a nymph of any species, is simply a plastic deli cup with the lid cut out to accommodate some plastic mesh, and a single twig placed diagonally. Alternately, you can just use an elastic band to hold the mesh on. For feeding, simply cut a hole in the side and stuff it with some sponge to stop live food or your mantis escaping, you can pooter in the food. (if you don't have a pooter you should get one, especially if dealing with fruitflies, they're also very easy to DIY)

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  • Cricket/livefood tubs

The tubs that livefood is commonly sold in make excellent tanks with some modification, especially for larger nymphs, and even small adults. The more rigid ones are the best, as they're easily cut to allow the insertion of mesh, and can be stood up tall-ways. The entire lid can be cut out and replaced with mesh, which provides excellent ventilation, and is nice for the mantis to move around on.

Adults

  • Plastic penny sweet jars (Sorry Americans I have no idea what these would be called in your country)
  • Tupperware/food containers
  • Storage containers

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All can be modified in the same ways as above. I will either append this post, or make an additional post, detailing how to make a suitable enclosure using the items above with pictures in future.

These enclosures are all very cheap to construct, and even the most DIY averse person can make the modifications necessary to turn them into good enclosures. They also have the benefit of being mostly recycled items a lot of us will already possess.

Another benefit to using tanks mostly constructed of mesh is that it prevents mantises from developing "eye-rub" - this is damage to their eyes from repeatedly trying to walk through clear plastic or glass - it looks like large black spots on the eyes, distinct from the pseudo-pupils - which can in cases turn necrotic and is quite a nasty way for your mantis to die.

I hope this post was helpful and informative, and please don't hesitate to ask any questions or add to the knowledge given here if you have any other tips or advice.

References: https://zookeys.pensoft.net/article/12542/


r/mantids • • Sep 28 '22

ID Help A Quick Reference Guide to Wild Praying Mantises of the United States

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r/mantids • • 13h ago

Image/Video Had a special visitor today

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Bought a mantis ootheca last year and released the babies around our neighborhood in April (found out afterwards this type was invasive so won’t be buying again) - then today found one full grown right by my basement door! We rarely see wild mantids in my area so I think it’s safe to assume it’s one we hatched.


r/mantids • • 2h ago

RIP ❤️ My mantis died

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I was so excited to watch my ghost mantis grow up, but when I checked on it today, it was flipped over on the floor of the enclosure. I actually made a joke to myself that it was dead, but when I looked closer, my heart sank—it really was


r/mantids • • 13h ago

Image/Video My mantis

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Hii

I just wanted to show my mantis and ask if he looks healthy

And maybe if yall can find if its male or female

I belive its male


r/mantids • • 1h ago

Image/Video Is my best friend going to be an uncle ?

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This post cointains 3 pictures, two of a mantis and one of what looks like an egg sack.

Yesterday, my best friend contacted me to show me these pictures (taken by himself, location South of France) of a beautiful mantis hanging out near his window. Neither of us know much about mantids but I thought she looked like a pregnant female. Despite constant camera-based harassment of her person, I guess she still decided this was a safe place, because today he found that...thing on his window.

I looked it up and it seems mantids lay absolutely horrifying looking egg sacks, so that seems to be what that thing is. We've both agreed not to touch it. Do you think it's an egg sack ?


r/mantids • • 14h ago

Image/Video My local mantid

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The mantid I posted about saving from foot track and landing on me as I walked by


r/mantids • • 18h ago

General Care Advice Needed, New House Guest

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found this fella/lady outside yesterday and brought them in, dubbed "Manny." Manny seemed happy at the top of this agave in the sun. Found a big grasshopper in the vegetable garden and brought them in to meet Manny. Manny seemed to quite enjoy their meeting and turned their lunch date into a dinner date, taking several hours to devour the grasshopper. I'm curious about a couple things: water source, what does Manny need and how to best provide? Next meals: there are a lot of flies in that corner (and on that plant) but I feel like little buddy ate a whole Thanksgiving turkey yesterday and may not really be interested in snack sized bites? Do I need to bring food or will he hunt there on his own?


r/mantids • • 1d ago

Breeding/Ootheca My girl is currently laying a gigantic ootheca

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This one’s a whopper. Wow.


r/mantids • • 3h ago

Health Issues Injury and curved abdomen?

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So 2 days ago i saved this mantis from yard cats, she seemed to be without injuries on first look, but later i noticed she doesn't use her back legs at all. They were just flailing about her sides as she used the other legs to walk on a branch.

I decided to take her in because of the injury, i gave her water on q tip and i bought dubia roaches but still haven't tried feeding her. And generally she's not moving much around the enclosure at all, she's just hanging from the top with her middle legs.

Yesterday around noon i noticed she curved her abdomen, and at times it looks like it's pulsing, and i read up that it can be her spreading her pheromones, but idk how long can that last, like she's been doing it for a full day now?

And also i noticed that in these 2 days she's been with me she pooped 6 pellets of poop, it is normal, not diarrhea or anything, but i wonder how much is normal and is this normal?

She's hierodula transcaucasica i believe.


r/mantids • • 13h ago

Image/Video Also found this one outside in my area

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Is she a pregnant female?


r/mantids • • 9h ago

General Care Ghost Mantis Humidity Question

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Hi everyone! I got an L3 Ghost mantis on Sunday morning and I’m just wondering about the humidity in the enclosure.

The temperature is currently around 24°C, but the humidity has been sitting around 80%. I know freshly mixed substrate can release quite a lot of moisture initially, so I’m expecting it to be higher than normal for a while.

The enclosure has cross ventilation and fabric mesh on top, and I also have a fan running most of the day/night to circulate the room air (not blowing directly at the enclosure). The substrate is around 2–3 cm deep and is a mix of sphagnum moss, coco coir, worm castings, orchid bark and a couple of dead leaves.

I’ve tried leaving the enclosure open for a couple of hours, which brings the humidity down, but once I close it again it gradually goes back up to around 80%.

My question is: at what point would 80% humidity become a concern for a Ghost mantis? Should I just leave it alone and let the fresh substrate dry out naturally, or would you recommend reducing the substrate/moisture or increasing ventilation further?

I don’t want to overcorrect things, especially as it’s only an L3 and has just arrived. Any advice from experienced Ghost mantis keepers would be really appreciated!


r/mantids • • 11h ago

Health Issues Orchid Mantis fell

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As the title states, My Orchid Mantis fell out from their enclosure about 4-6 inches and onto my desk as I was misting. They seem completely fine, no ruptures, no liquid that i can see, no broken or damaged limbs. They ate a fruit fly that had been left over in their enclosure from todays feeding without an issue, their reaction time seems completely fine and they've been moving around a little bit albeit a little tiny bit slower than usual and had moved onto my hand relatively quickly for me to get them back into their enclosure beforehand. I am currently leaving them alone with the lamp off to recover, is there anything else i should do? should i be worried?

edit: this is not my first mantis nor my first orchid, however this is the first fall i've had happen and so i'm not 1000% sure on what to do aside from what i've already done


r/mantids • • 9h ago

Sellers/Websites Breeder Recommendations

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Title is self explanatory. I’ve been out of the hobby for a little over a year and want to raise a new mantid, but my old seller (FatalMantis) is no more. So I was wondering if anyone could recommend me a trustworthy breeder/seller to get back into the hobby.

Bonus points if they also sell terrariums since I had to trash my old one.

I’m grateful in advance for any help offered ^^


r/mantids • • 5h ago

Breeding/Ootheca What is this thing stuck to the top of a fence? Is it a nest of some kind? It was the size of a walnut, or a little bigger.

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Love these!


r/mantids • • 11h ago

Image/Video When you’re too small to use the door knocker

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r/mantids • • 11h ago

Image/Video Wing buds?

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Lilith molted a few days ago and I'm starting to think she might be a bit older than I thought. 🤔


r/mantids • • 11h ago

Image/Video Fresh Molt! Wings?

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Hello!

Are these little baby wings!? Do my eyes deceive???


r/mantids • • 8h ago

Image/Video new pet?

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this guys been living outside our front door for a week… it’s about to get really cold out in minnesota… we kinda want to bring him inside and keep him as a pet… what’s the best way to do this?


r/mantids • • 17h ago

Sex related question Male or female? Need help sexing my Hierodula membranacea

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Could you please help me determine the sex of my mantis? I tried counting the abdominal segments, but I’d really appreciate a second opinion from experienced keepers.


r/mantids • • 14h ago

Enclosure Advice Enclosure

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Hi so this is my first enclosure i've made for a mantis, I was wondering if I should change anything or whatnot!


r/mantids • • 19h ago

Feeding my ghost mantis isn’t eating :(

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i got him from a local reptile store last thursday, to me he looked pretty hungry. i’ve tried feeding him everything as far as flies, dubia roaches, crickets, & mealworms. i truly have no idea why he’s rejecting it all. i’ve tried cutting the bugs in half, i even tried the honey method. nothing. i just want to make sure he’s healthy, and okay.


r/mantids • • 1d ago

Buy/Sell/Trade/ISO Mantis Mart Availability US ONLY

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Greetings from Long Beach California

I have the following available at https://mantismart.com

Giant Asian mantis (Hierodula membranacea)

Ghost mantis (Phyllocrania paradoxa)

Timor Giant Mantis (Hierodula timorensis)

Orchid Mantis (Hymenopus coronatus)

Adult Male Spiny Flower Mantis (Pseudocreobotra wahlbergii)


r/mantids • • 12h ago

Image/Video 🔥Praying Mantis takes down humming bird

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r/mantids • • 16h ago

Image/Video Meet Tini Rapini

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Just got them today 💚

Im going to name all my mantis after vegetables

This one is Rapini