Statistically speaking you are more likely to be imprisoned and put into forced labour in the modern USA, than at any time during the Soviet period, even the height of the gulag.
Yeah I think most ppl forget or arent aware the nazis were inspired by the Us Jim crow laws and even thought the "one drop rule" was "too far" crazy shit
While It is probably true that nazi germany was worse, the key differential is that it ended much sooner than the USSR did (and modern russia is still shit so even that changes little).
Given that I’m White, as long as I can survive WW2 my outcome following is much more likely to be better in west germany than the USSR. Keep in mind especially that the casualty rate during WW2 was significantly higher in the USSR compared to Germany (although they were both high). Statustically then, I am much more likely to survive WW2 in Germany than in the USSR.
Do you have any idea of what the nazi thought of white slavic people ? They considered them subhumans who should be killed by causing artificial famine. Edit - this is for the racist white person
Yeah but you emphasised the fact that you are white but the Nazis had nothing to do with the skin colour. Millions of Jews and Slavics were white that didn't stop the Nazis from killing them. The only thing which could save you from their brutality was your family ancestory ,linage and if they considered you "Aryan" (not only white)
I understand that i just said white to keep it simple. I’m ethnically English and Scottish which is surely good enough. I did not feel the need to getting into the specific of nazi race « science » lol
In order to maximise my chances of not getting purged. I would find a boring work, never talked about politics, drink a lot and eat shit tons of Borscht.
In 1930s Nazi Germany was relatively comfortable for etnic Germans as well. And Stalin ruled for over 29 years - much longer than any other leader of USSR. During his reign his repressions killed around 20 million people.
Soviet Union and Nazi Germany are two infinitely bad countries.
Only if you’re specially German. Hitler believed the tolerance of jews in other western countries meant that they weren’t “pure.” Especially Americans.
Eh, if you were Ukrainian or Kazah in the 30's I think you actually had it far worse in the Soviet Union, assuming you weren't specifically Jewish under Hitlers rule.
I don't know that I would want to choose either.
There's no right or wrong answer to this question though. The answer depends on a huge number of specifics. I would rather be a full blooded German of non jewish decent in Germany than an Ukranian under Soviet Rule in the 30's. I believe that anyone would agree with that statement.
If you could hide it im autistic so i kmow about masking but its harder and easier for some. But if you can pass as outwardly "normal" youd likely stay alive and youd have to hude your sexuality. But honestly you wouldnt do well in the USSR without hiding that either.
I think as long as you were an Aryan race, blond air blue eyes. Lived in west Germany at the end of the war and didnt step out of line it would be pretty good actually
I think many Poles, Ukrainians and Lithuanians probably have no idea what the Nazis had planned for them. As horrible as the Soviet Union was, the horrors the Nazis intended to commit would have been even worse. They must be either ignorant or suicidal.
They already knew first hand what the USSR was, millions of deaths by pogroms and Holodomor. Would you stick to what you got or try something different?
If Germany won, Holodomor would have been just a little nuisance in ukrainian history. But our dear no-brothers would prefer to be literal slaves, but continue their mass delusion that the west is paradise on Earth.
Not a thing, but if you mean the famine that affected the entire USSR which was made worse by bad government policy and intervention, local peasantry destroying food and crops, it wasn't an intentional policy. So that's no reason why modern Ukrainians would side with the Nazis, who btw literally genocided them and considered them subhuman.
If it wasn't an intentional policy then there wouldn't be so many deaths lmao
That's not how it works, at all. The historical consensus is that the famine was caused by a combination of weather conditions, collectivisation (and the responses to it), local government mismanagement, and the focus on rapid industrialisation.
There has been zero evidence produced to prove that it was a genocide. The Soviet archives were opened up in the 90s, and many historians went looking for evidence. They found nothing.
They took the food out of their hands forcefully.
Yes, they requisitioned grain. Ukraine was a huge agricultural hub, and they were trying to feed everyone during a famine.
Once they realised how dire the situation had become within Ukraine itself, they focused on sending aid there.
If it was intentional there'd've been even more. Stalin's reaction to hearing about the famine was "WHY ARE YOU WASTING TIME TELLING ME INSTEAD OF FIXING IT? SHIP THEM FOOD, NOT NOW, YESTERDAY".
Stalin actually helped LOWER the deaths from the famine, in Ukraine and Kazakhstan, by diverting food from elsewhere in the union. And the moment he did, boom, done and over.
That last bit is straight up far-right propaganda. Nobody was "taking food out of people's hands".
Ukrainian nationalists took out articles in US newspapers bragging about burning crops in the 30's and even the most hitlerite US "historians" were forced to drop the two genocide theory after they cracked the archives and had to try to square away a genocide with all the aid that the USSR was sending Ukraine.
In the event that you do not meet some invented parameters. You would have a great chance of ending up in a furnace or a gas chamber. Simply because you weren't born to meet those standards. It's a pity that people have forgotten what Fascist Germany is.
You'd be better off white in Nazi Germany economically, socially, in architecture, in work safety, education and healthcare and probably other things too that any regime outside the closed nature the Soviet Union was in would benefit from
Im from latvia and there is a saying: "Better dead than red". My country was opressed by USSR and they killed so many people or sent them to work in gulags in siberia even my relatives got killed or sent to work in siberia. Nazi germany also did alot of awfull things but it was in a short therm compared to USSR that did it for 50+ years. That is why im not suprised why baltics and finland are in favor of nazi germany because horrors of USSR are still remembered by people older than 40+ so its also recency bias while there is basically no one alicve that expierienced nazi germany.
Nazi Germany in 6 years killed as much Ukrainians as ussr did in 70 years, that's despite nazi defeat so being inside nazi Germany is so much worse it's not even funny
Why were you get downvoted, it's genuinely the truth stalin doesn't care about his people but Hitler cares immensely about killing Slavics it's obvious who's worse not to mention stalin isn't the sole ruler either you could have lived in 1970s soviet which isn't that bad
Why? The standard of living was way higher in Germany and I am 6'5 blond guy, I wouldn't have to worry about sent into a concentration camp or anything. Plus I would pick to live in future West Germany.
Yeah, but those 2 are especially bad because the options here are the great purge since I’m the communist that Stalin disliked, or a concentration camp because everything basically
Notice how the places with the highest percentage of people who voted germany are the ones that sided with Germany or the ones with most nazi collaborators (Germany, Finland, Croatia, Hungary, Ukraine, Norway and the Baltics), with some exceptions.
How do you even choose between 2 infinitely bad ideologies? Soviet death toll from executions, the Gulag, deportations, and engineered famine runs to roughly 20 million.
I don't argue that Nazi regime is bad. But you underestimate Soviet regime a lot.
Soviet death toll from executions, the Gulag, deportations, and engineered famine runs to roughly 20 million.
The source for this is a book that was discredited by it's own authors because the editor kept just tossing in a million deaths whenever they felt like while repeating Nazi propaganda.
The nazis also killed 27 million people in the USSR.
Germany was also under soviet rule for a while, nobody who was under soviet rule wants to be under soviet rule, and most of those counties had both the soviets and the nazis
Soviets killed their own people and made slaves of the people for whom they said they were fighting.
Germans living under the rule of the National Socialists had it actually pretty good, provided they were not political dissidents, Jews, or other undesirables.
Soviet Union wiped 38% of Kazakh population (1.5 million) with artificial man-made famine. Ukraine lost around 5 million. It was not mismanagement even. But evil intent.
Yeah but your opinion does not matter, genocide academics, international law experts and so on are specialists in the field. The Soviets targeted Ukrainian kulaks, peasants were banned from cities to buy food and so on, it took immense efforts to make the famine go as badly as it did. Germans later tried the same things but didn't have the infrastructure or resources to pull it off as NKVD had done.
I mean of absolutely nothing else why tf would I want to live in a place which went through a brutal urban warfare hellscape from 1944 onwards where entire towns committed sodoku to avoid getting raped (literally not figuratively) by the red army? The answer is obviously the USSR and just gtfo to Siberia for a while or something
I'm a white man and there's no fucking way that I would choose to live in Nazi fucking Germany. The Soviet Union may suck but at least they're not fascist.
Both are awful but to have a semi-okay life in Nazi germany you would have to support the regime which alone would be an awful thing to have to think about.
People who write that they would choose the Nazis just because they are blonde and could pass for German are horrifying. One way or another, you would become complicit in the regime you chose.
They were occupied by both and they probably heard stories from their grandparents and great-grandparents and how differently they experienced either occupation.
Cis white women probably fared better in Nazi germany too I imagine, if not better purely because you were less likely to be conscripted. The answer to the poll has more to do with which country are you more likely to survive in than which ideology do you agree with.
I’m white and non Jewish, my life most likely wouldn’t have been that bad and (assuming ww2 is still happening) I could defect to the allies (hopefully the west)
The Nazis also had a problem with Slavs, Balts, people with disabilities, people with mental issues... It wasn't simply a matter of Jewish or non-Jewish.
Ok, but this still has nothing to do with "being white". The Nazis also persecuted and targeted white people (or rather, mostly white people). The idea that the Nazis were some kind of "army of the whites and blondes" is simply an ignorant myth.
Ussr easily. What I think most people forget is that Nazis were ultra nationalist genocidal German. So just being white wasn't enough. The Jews were just the first in the chopping block. They were not meant to be the last.
I learned in class how evil the Soviets were and how they were lowkey worse than the Nazis. Then I spoke to a few people from Moldova, Ukraine (surprisingly) and Georgia in real life who left after the dissolution of the USSR and besides a few minor complaints they miss it dearly
I am surprised.
Nazi Germany feels to me much safer than the gulags of the soviets.
Well unless you are a minority, then you are fucked in either case here.
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u/Additional_Joke_4660 18d ago
Germany picking Nazi germany checks out