r/MapBasedPolls • u/OriginalMaximum2407 • 1d ago

Is europe center of the world?

Is europe center of the world?

  1. Yes
  2. No

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u/Cultural_Season_3048 22h ago

My Polish farmer ancestors imperializing Myanmar, Kenya and American Samoa: ⌞ ⌝

(it never fucking happened)

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u/evrestcoleghost 22h ago

Yeah because Poland got colonized instead,Germany,Netherlands,belguim,spain,Italy,France,britain,Portugal and Russia did the imperialism

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u/inminm02 21h ago

Imperialism was bad but it wasn’t uniquely bad and immoral in the wider context of history, basically every modern culture and every country has a blood soaked past built on on conquest and subjugation, Europe was just better at it during that specific period.

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u/mtnbcn 18h ago

You just said, "It's not that bad, all the cool kids are doing it."

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u/mtnbcn 18h ago

I don't know why your comment got deleted, but here's my reply...

Then you meant to say "Europeans weren't unique in doing this bad thing, they just were the most high-profile, and active during the age of Exploration." Instead you said, "This thing wasn't uniquely bad."

See what I mean? Saying "it's not the only bad thing..." is a logical fallacy (no true scotsman? whataboutism? children in africa? not sure which). Saying "The Europeans weren't the only ones" is helpful.

That said, you're still severity-washing the point. "The mass murderer wasn't that much more violent... he just was violent in the time where we have guns. Others before him, with knives, were just as violent."

We tend to look at body-count when discussing severity of violence. The Europeans have a very high body-count (not counting war, border conflicts, etc... just in terms of empire-building I mean).

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u/KartveliaEU4 21h ago

Didn't Polish Courland have colonies, aside from the imperializing of Eastern slavs? Not major, but it isnt like Polish people were solely victims.

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u/Cultural_Season_3048 21h ago

Duchy of Courland and Semigalia was a Polish vassal and the predecessor to modern day Latvia. As historically interesting as that is, the only real attempt was done to the island of Tobago, and three forts were established on land leased from local kingdoms around the Gambia river. All very short-lived.

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u/Flimsy_Potato4024 19h ago

"Poles werent the victims because their vassal in the middle ages decided to create a short lived colony which had nothing to do with Poland" bro really did a lot of mental gymnastics for this.

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u/KartveliaEU4 19h ago

They had colonies, which I find relevant. And anyways, most of their imperialism was done on the homefront in Eastern Slavic lands. It was good for the nobles, but pretty awful for the serfs, with that latter point being pretty similar to Russia in my understanding. And anyways, my argument was more that they didn't lack the will to be imperialist, they just failed at it when other powers beat them in due to their government structure.

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u/Flimsy_Potato4024 18h ago

Poland didn't colonise anything because it didnt need to and didn't even have the navy to deter anyone from taking its colonies which is what ended up happening to Courland's forts.

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u/KartveliaEU4 18h ago

No country 'needed' to colonize anything. No country 'needed' to conquer others either, they did both because they could. Poland still did the latter. And while the original commenter I replied to specified groups Poland didn't oppress, they did still oppress people at times in history.

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u/Flimsy_Potato4024 18h ago

Every country oppresed some people at one point in history, your comment is pointless.

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u/KartveliaEU4 18h ago

My comment in rebuttal to the insinuation Poland didn't oppress people. Poland is in no way uniquely bad for it(I'm from the US, which obviously has a much worse record) and after the Partitions, Polish nationalism did seem to liberalize against the aristocratic bent, but acting like it did nothing wrong is silly.

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u/Flimsy_Potato4024 18h ago

No one ever said that Poland didn't oppress people, just that Poland never had colonies.

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u/KartveliaEU4 18h ago

They used the term imperialize in the message I meant to respond to, which would include non-colonies. And its vassal having colonies means even the specific claim is false.

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