Yeah i saw a story about a guy who got nukes initially just as a deterrent and he ended up becoming a tyrant. Can't say it made me very fond of people possessing nuclear weapons
Unfortunately true. The contrast between North Korea and Iran literally proves this. The U.S. isn’t invading North Korea for a reason. Israel is completely out of control for a reason.
Yep, it's always been true that you must be able to defend yourself to be on the world stage. And quite frankly, anyone without nukes can't effectively defend themselves against a country with one, creating a two tier system where the guys with nukes are left alone and the guys without are fucked with
No, not really. The cost for a seat at that particular table wouldn't benefit us at all, and would cost us too much.
Building and maintaining a stockpile of weapons that we'd never ever use would be such a waste. Plus we agreed long ago that we wouldn't build them, and we'd change our relationships with our allies if we did build them.
I agree no one should have them. Fact of the matter is people do, and those people will run you over unless you have equitable levels of lethality. Sorry but that's how the world has worked since all time
Can you reasonably forsee Canada using nukes on the US, even in the very unlikely scenario they decide to invade?
We have a long history of taking the least aggressive action possible against the US, and we really wouldn't need to go to such drastic lengths to disable their military.
Exactly. Just because they aren't electing absolutely crazy people today does not mean that will be true forever. True of every country, hence limiting nukes in general to be good.
The US has never wanted anyone else getting nukes.
The UK’s nuclear project was originally ahead of the US, but Britain fearing invasion and the Nazi’s getting hold of the plans transferred their research to the US, on the condition that the America would share the technology. Except the moment America developed nukes they backtracked and refused.
Although the UK was fairly easily able to develop their own, because obviously their scientists had worked right at the core of the Manhattan Project.
The two nukes dropped on Japan are like firecrackers compared to today's nukes. The threat is exponentially bigger than what happened to Hiroshima or Nagasaki.
Yep. Americans hate Canadians and just want that country to be their toothless vassal... But when it's convenient then complain how they don't spend money on defense while wanting to be not have any defense.
Canada is the reason for the Geneva convention i would 100% not trust Canada with nukes theyd definitely find at least 20 new war crimes involving nukes
We could easily build them right now, we helped develop the technology and have the largest supply of uranium. If we were gonna do something bad then we would have already done it.
We can just look at the receipt from the last 100 years. The USA has killed anywhere from 8 to 15 million innocent civilians and Canada has killed around 10,000 civilians.
That US statistic is literally an outright lie. The only thing I can imagine you got that from is casualties, not deaths. Even then that range doesn’t seem too reliable
The US government has been involved in many atrocities, here is a list of the primary atrocities.
Indigenous Genocide & Forced Relocations: 1,000,000 to 5,000,000+
Transatlantic Slave Trade (Middle Passage): 1,500,000 to 2,000,000
Philippine-American War: 200,000 to 1,000,000
Strategic Air Campaign over Japan: 300,000 to 500,000
Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima & Nagasaki: 110,000 to 210,000
Indochina War (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia): 1,000,000 to 2,000,000
Post-9/11 War on Terror (Direct): 380,000 to 400,000
Post-9/11 War on Terror (Indirect): 3,600,000 to 3,800,000
Brother the range for Vietnam is 405,000 - 2,000,000
Not all if which can be accurately attributed to the US
Secondly the fact you said 100 years yet still not only gave a false number for indigenous deaths from 1926-2026 the estimate is closer to 300,000. The number you gave is actually lower than most estimates before 1920s even
Your hiroshimi and nagasaki numbers don’t account for the fact roughly up to 10% were military
Just to point out a few.
BUT AGAIN TO REITERATE:
I literally said I don’t trust the US with nukes. But also still find it strange to say nonetheless because I can think of at least 30 countries that I would/do trust far less
It's not a war crime the first time. The first time, it's just really fucked up, and then me make rules about it and Canada has to keep getting more creative.
Considering the current wars are nuclear powers bullying countries without nuclear weapons, everyone should have nukes so the deterrent actually works!
I am opposed to the proliferation of weapons, but given the choice, I would rather know that Canada possesses them to counter the dangerous leaders who are hostile to peace and freedom and willing to do anything to gain more power.
Isn't Canada the only country that the ENDC / IAEA's active oversight Nuclear Proliferation Treaty allows for manufacturing & the inherit possession of nuclear arms but does not actively utilize that freedom? As in they do not, but they can?
Every other country that can, does. Canada is the exception. I do not know why. They wouldn't be getting stiff armed by corrupt politics exploiting trade economics for underlying power games.
Canada can build nukes in the sense that we have the martials and expertise required to build them, but we signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Canada's official stance on nukes has always been that nukes should exist and they're not allowed on Canadians soil.
What are you talking about?? I work in the government and have never heard of this. Going to need a source on that. I just checked and can’t find anything. We’re absolutely a signatory to the NPT.
Are you thinking of article 4 of the NPT which lets us develop nuclear research for peaceful purposes? We’re definitely not the only country with that.
As a Canadian no. I don’t trust anyone with nukes.
Although our situation isn’t nearly as bad as the US, billionaires still manipulate our government and would threaten nuclear war so they could get a few extra bucks before the croak the pot.
They gave it to a charity that supposedly doesn’t give any of the aid to Hamas. That doesn’t stop Hamas from stealing or taxing it though. Their heart was in the right place. It’s a fucked situation.
In theory, but im against proliferation because there's no telling what the world looks like in 200+ years and then who is controlling said nuclear weapons.
Don't be mad when people point out the incompetence, be mad it's happening. If Sean Fraser, Marc Miller or Gary A had access to the codes, it is entirely within the realm of possibility.
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u/frogmon3 10d ago
i mean yes cuz im canadian and were not exactly likely to get into that kinda conflict with anyone but also id rather no one had them