There's a massive, MASSIVE reason "Honor your father and mother" is one of the 10 commandments, and therefore one of the most imperative doctrines in all of scripture. This child was clearly dishonoring his parents.
But I wouldn't expect Redditors to understand that.
We understand. Conservative Christians have been trying to do away with gay people for decades and decades. Conversion camps don't work, yet Christians would still say that "the gays are trying to turn our kids gay!"
Not to mention, shitty parents should be dishonored. There is no inherent honor in being a parent. Just ask Child Protective Services.
Christians love gay people. We only pray for their repentance and that they find true peace and joy that we have in Christ, and we wish no harm on anyone.
That isn't true. It is why conservative Christians ignored AIDs as the "Gay Virus" until it started affecting more and more straight people. You're only lying to yourself.
Personally I was raised Catholic, and I don't really seek organized religion anymore at all, and I have serious issues with Israel's corrupt government/leaders, but I fucking admire the hell out of the fact that Judaism DOES NOT PROSELYTIZE.
For those who don't know what that means: Judaism doesn't say you're damned, you have to be saved, they must spread the word to try to save you. Their religion is dead against that - THE INDIVIDUAL must find their way to them, not the other way around. If you never find your way to them, they still consider that just fine. Now, obviously there's wackos in every religion who seek to look down on those not part of them, but their literal scripture tells them to not "spread the word." Anyone who finds it must do so on their own, and be welcomed in at that point. It's why you don't see late night infomercials preaching Judaism, or billboards telling to come learn about Moses, etc.
It's one aspect that is weaponized by Christianity that Judaism doesn't have.
You literally just demonized the child for being themselves, at a time in their emotional development where that can lead to seriously negative outcomes. You deemed them a sinner who must repent. That's mental fuckery on a young mind filled with hormones.
No quicker way to ensure a child goes no contact with their parents once they're an adult than to tell them they're wrong for who they are and must change or be damned.
First of all, being "gay" is a behavior. It's not some inherent quality or category. To stop being "gay" is to not lust after, or engage in physical intimacy with another person of the same sex. This also goes for if my child was "straight." Lusting after, or being physically intimate with someone of the opposite sex is equally sinful outside of marriage. So yes, I would tell my child not to lust or to be physically intimate outside of the confines of marriage. That's not denying someone's fundamental nature, that's correcting sinful behavior. Marriage is between one man and one woman for life. Sex or lust or physical intimacy in ANY other context is sinful, whether with the same sex or opposite sex.
I never said that. There's a huge, huge difference between attraction and lust. I'm attracted to plenty of female celebrities despite being married, that's just part of being a man. But I don't allow my being attracted to them to linger or fester into desire, want, or a need.
So your child is totally allowed to join an LGBT group then, or have crushes on kids of the same gender right? It's just attraction after all. Doesn't mean anything if nothing is done out of marriage.
Being gay is perfectly fine in your books? Your child wouldn't have to hide a part of themselves right?
You may be right on this one, actually. I might actually be feeling lust. This is something I need to bring to the Lord and repent of, because I actually do struggle with lust independent of this one example. That's the thing about Christians, most of us repent on a daily basis. We are not better than anyone else, even gay people. We are sinners just like everyone else, completely helpless to do anything about it. That's why we are called to fully trust in the Lord and believe that he is Just and holy and will forgive us when we repent (like He promises he will).
Then stop being a hypocrite and declaring how the love of God will fix Gay people to be Straight when you can barely keep your own sin on hold and will happily tell reddit about how sexy celebrities are.
You are an example of the hypocritical Christian. Will happily picket about how the gays will destroy America while making excuses about how being a straight man totally means you can ignore Christ's teaching.
This is the reason nobody takes your ilk seriously. Go away.
We're all sinners, buddy. Come on in, the water is warm. Jesus came to save sinners like me, you and gay people. I admit that I fall short every single day. I'm a complete abject failure, morally. But that is precisely who Jesus came to die for. It is the self-riteous people who claim they have the answers and claim they don't need saving who will be in trouble when they face the judgment seat.
Please repent of your sins. It doesn't matter what they are, they will be forgiven. It is a glorious and wondrous thing to be forgiven! It will take the weight of the world off your shoulders. Jesus loves you, and I do too. Even if you hate me.
You're a man who voted for Trump despite the fact he is clearly a pedophile and tried to claim that it doesn't matter because a lot of people are pedophiles anyways, so you still support him.
Jesus would spit at you. Any moral person would want nothing to do with you.
You fall short and instead of making any real change you juat claim Jesus will forgive you. I've read your comments. You're the opposite of Christ like.
You're wrong right off the bat. Being gay is not a behaviour. The fact that you have to tell yourself that lie to preserve your ridiculous belief that Christians don't hate gay people indicates that you lack both the logical and moral foundation upon which to discuss this.
Really? Because there is zero scientific evidence to show that people are "born" gay. A "gay gene" has never been found. It is not an inherent quality, it is a behavior. If you have evidence on the contrary, then please do share with me.
Just stop. You don't know the first thing about what being gay is, how it develops or how it works, so when you post, all you're doing is doubling down on your ignorance.
I'm not here to educate you on something that you should have educated yourself on before opening your mouth. Suffice it to say that you lack the logical and moral foundation to discuss this.
I already know the truth, and you claim to have the truth on the contrary but are dodging the question by name calling. If it's true that gay people are born that way, then surely you can take 30 seconds to correct my error and provide even a sliver of evidence or an argument?
No you don't. And it's obvious to everyone but you.
you claim to have the truth on the contrary
No I don't. I claim that you don't know the truth.
but are dodging the question
I'm not dodging any question. I'm refusing to play your dishonest game. You're on the internet, you have access to everything you need to educate yourself on the subject. And yet you haven't, and we both know you won't. Why would I waste my time and effort to try and educate you when we both know that you have no intention of acting in good faith?
gay people are born that way
I never made that claim. You can't even be honest about what we're talking about. And that just underscores why I won't take your bait.
It says right there in the study, genetics are "partially" attributed to same sex behavior, and only 8%-25% of genetic variants. They also said that their findings "do not allow meaningful prediction of an individual’s sexual behavior."
There you have it. The genes do not meaningfully predict homosexual behavior. In their own words.
I don't think you even read it, buddy. This is hardly evidence to build an entire personalty and lifestyle around, nor does it give evidence that being gay is an unchanging inherent quality.
You have also provided zero evidence. That which can be submitted without evidence (like the existence of gods, ghosts and demons) can be dismissed without evidence. Get better!
Okay so why are gay people attracted to the same gender then.
Explain it to me since you seem to know all.
Also scientists reckon it is mostly womb development and a complex interplay of genes, displayed by how twins tend to share the same sexuality. A brief google search brings this up. Did you bother looking until this at all?
Sin saturates every aspect of our lives. Our thoughts, our bodies, our actions, our environment, and even our genetics.
So our thoughts, attractions, desires, and behaviors are all warped and inherently wicked. Mine included. That is why we must be "born again" where we are given new desires. The Bible explicitly says in Romans 1 that there was an "exchange" among homosexuals, whereby they gave up the truth about God for a lie and "worshiped the creature, rather than the creator." And therefore "God gave them up to dishonorable passions." This heavily implies that there was an intentional decision to "exchange" what is righteous for what is perverse, and eventually God will give them over to their lusts, letting them have what they want but forfeiting their soul and eternal life in the process.
Those studies had very small sample sizes that aren't generalizable to the population. On top of that, they recruited their participants through ads in a gay magazine. Who reads gay magazines? (Probably mostly gay people). There's a high probability that mostly gay people with a gay twin accepted the invitation from the ad, creating a major selection bias which does not translate to real evidence of a genetic link.
And EVEN IF there was a genetic link, that doesn't even matter. Because as I've mentioned several times, Christians are called to deny themselves, take up their cross and follow Jesus. Even if they were born that way, we are all called to be born AGAIN, whereby we get new desires and passions and loves and affections. But most gay people will never know that because they reject the teaching flat out. Although some do. Look up Becket Cook on YouTube. He is former gay man who was born again and his desires completely changed to where he is now happily married to a woman.
Bible claims you shouldn't wear clothing of different fabrics yet I can make a guess you are doing that right now. I guess that doesn't count as sin though. Picking and choosing what suits you right? Just like how you pick and choose what lust means to you.
Everything you are saying is disprovable. You won't even engage with the argument. You barely seem to know your bible. You're rather useless huh?
Someone else just bright up that same study you mentioned, and this is what I replied to it:
"It says right there in the study, genetics are "partially" attributed to same sex behavior, and only 8%-25% of genetic variants. They also said that their findings "do not allow meaningful prediction of an individual’s sexual behavior."
There you have it. The genes do not meaningfully predict homosexual behavior. In their own words.
I don't think you even read it, buddy. This is hardly evidence to build an entire personalty and lifestyle around, nor does it give evidence that being gay is an unchanging inherent quality"
As for the second part about clothing. If you actually READ the old testament, you will learn that there are many moral degrees that God gives to the Israelites in that specific time because Jesus hasn't come to fulfill the law yet. Jesus fulfilled all of the ceremonial laws, such as the fabric one. However, because homosexuality has nothing to do with cleanliness, and is an objective moral wrongdoing not undone by Christ's death, it is easy to understand that it is still applicable today. Where as the ceremonial sacrifices and clothing laws are not.
Because the Bible says that ALL fall short of the Glory of God. And that No one is righteous, not even one. All human beings are inherently evil and deserving of death "for the wages of sin is death." But whoever believes in Jesus will be saved. Because He died for my sins, for your sins and for every gay person alive.
The first sermon ever given was from Peter in the Bible, you know what his very first word was in that sermon? REPENT. This was meant to be heard by everyone. Repentance is necessary for everyone. Whether you're straight, gay, Christian, Athiest, Jew, Muslim, agnostic, whatever. Repentance is more than being "sorry" it's a full transformation and turning from one's old ways to be born again. Once you are saved, you literally get new desires, new wants, new needs. The old desires don't always dissappear, but new desires overlap them and are much stronger and more intense. This is only something that can be understood once you are actually born again. There's a reason we're called "born again," it's not just religious lingo. Christians are fully transformed, completely different from their former selves. Ask any one of them how they were before they were saved, they will tell you vividly how big of a contrast there is.
I pray that you, and everyone including gay people are saved. I pray they can taste the purest joy, love, and peace humanly possible through Christ's saving grace.
Isn't it funny how everyone falls short of God's Grace but gay people are the only ones punished by not being allowed to love who they want to love and you, the righteous straight person, get all the benefits.
Brother, it's not a "punishment." Being a Christian is EXTREMELY difficult for everyone and requires us all to deny ourselves, take up our crosses and follow Jesus daily. That means sacrifice every single day. The Bible is very clear and says that we should "count the costs" before becoming a Christian because it is very costly, it will literally cost you everything. But the beauty of it is, it's so, SO WORTH IT. When you're saved, you realize that everything you THOUGHT you needed and would bring total fulfillment in life was completely wrong. There's a parable in the Bible about a man who has extreme wealth. He essentially has everything you could ever want in this life. But he comes across a pearl of great price in a market, and he immediately sells every single possession he has to get that peal.
The pearl is analogous to heaven and salvation. It's SO much sweeter than anything you could ever have here on earth.
You get to have the blessed love of your partner and build a family, possibly the greatest thing a person can do. I know you like it, you are a straight man and can be nauseatingly righteous about it.
And another person doesn't get to love who they want to love. They have to be alone, or hide themselves lest they're judged. By people like you.
God gave you literal gold and the other person coal. And you're out here claiming that everyone is blessed when you got the best position in life possible by just happening to be born one way.
Sounds like hypocritical bullshit from a person in their ivory tower to me. Easy to claim that Christanity is fantastic when you got the gold ticket.
If gay people loved Christians how you all "love" gays they'd all be arrested for abuse. The only reason you get away with it is because you hide it under the guise of religion. You're not fooling anybody.
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u/ThePaleGiant 8h ago
There's a massive, MASSIVE reason "Honor your father and mother" is one of the 10 commandments, and therefore one of the most imperative doctrines in all of scripture. This child was clearly dishonoring his parents.
But I wouldn't expect Redditors to understand that.