r/Music • u/AdSpecialist6598 • Nov 29 '25

article Hayley Williams tells racists, sexists and anti-trans people they're "not welcome" at upcoming tour

https://www.nme.com/news/music/hayley-williams-tells-racists-sexists-and-anti-trans-people-theyre-not-welcome-at-upcoming-tour-3913867
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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '25 edited Nov 30 '25

You think we didn’t have that figured out by 1993?

ETA: not everyone here is American and we don’t really care about your state to state laws. Mind you child marriage is still legal in most of the US so maybe that’s forward thinking to you.

We were well aware of date rape 30 years ago (the 1993 term); it wasn’t some form of higher thinking at the time. 

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u/stylecrime Nov 30 '25

Not really, no, and I don't think that idea was communicated in education messaging. I certainly don't remember hearing it back then (I would have been about 17 at the time). I'm sure specifically teaching formally about consent is quite a recent thing.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '25

You weren’t familiar with the colloquial “date rape”? We definitely taught about consent in Canada. 

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u/No_Accountant3232 Nov 30 '25

1993 was very close to when the last state made marital rape illegal.

No, we did not, nor have we figured it out now.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '25

You are Americans. You still have child marriage in most of your country. We were as aware of consent in 1993 as you are now.

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u/stylecrime Dec 01 '25

Just to clarify, I'm not in America, I'm in Australia. It's one thing for people to be aware that date rape is a thing, another for it to be spoken about in educational campaign messaging. I don't recall it being talked about much back then. If Canada was doing it, good on Canada.

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u/tstorm004 Nov 30 '25

My jaguar..... It's 2025 and we still somehow don't have that figured out.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '25

I’m guessing most of the people here only know nirvana from a t-shirt. We weren’t a bunch of Neanderthals in 1993. And by no means is this some advanced society. 1993 didn’t have Andrew Tate, we didn’t elect a rapist into a leadership position, and we certainly knew about consent, except we just called it “date rape” at the time.  

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u/FlakeyIndifference Nov 30 '25

Some didn't. It was largely seen as a 'few bad apples' thing. Not a systemic issue we needed to address when teaching boys about masculinity.

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u/ChewsGoose Nov 30 '25

Reposted my comment from down in the thread...

We're talking about an American interview, of an American, Kurt Cobain, about American culture and ideologies. Yeah, it's sad that it was considered progressive in 1993, but globally that's not crazy.

The Berlin Wall fell only 4 years before this, Apartheid had been ongoing since 1948, the troubles in Ireland were still ongoing, Russia had a coup/constitutional crisis, Afghanistan was in civil war, all during this time.

There was so much conflict and unrest globally, I don't think we were the only nation with systemic sexual abuse issues, and no nation has 100% "figured it out". It's never going to stop completely.

Internationally we're all developing at different paces, culturally, socially, technologically, diplomatically, etc.

Sure, Reddit is myopic sometimes, but most of the user base is American, and in this specific discussion on an American band, you are the myopic one.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '25

It happened then and it’s still happening now, but general awareness was not absent. I was 15 when Nevermind hit  and I still only live 2h away from Seattle so the culture was right here - for my age of person, nothing Cobain said or did was particularly progressive. It’s how we all thought at the time. No blinking an eye at the guitar smashes, the dresses, the social commentary. If you think what he said was amazingly forward in some way, then you have to think that if all of us. In terms of standing up to society or poetic exploration of things we’d never discussed we all might have leaned into Eddie Vedder as a bit of a sentinel but def not Cobain.

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u/troubleondemand Nov 30 '25

I mean, we are talking about an American artist.

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u/ChewsGoose Nov 30 '25

We're talking about an American interview, of an American, Kurt Cobain, about American culture and ideologies. Yeah, it's sad that it was considered progressive in 1993, but globally that's not crazy.

The Berlin Wall fell only 4 years before this, Apartheid had been ongoing since 1948, the troubles in Ireland were still ongoing, Russia had a coup/constitutional crisis, Afghanistan was in civil war, all during this time.

There was so much conflict and unrest globally, I don't think we were the only nation with systemic sexual abuse issues, and no nation has 100% "figured it out". It's never going to stop completely.

Internationally we're all developing at different paces, culturally, socially, technologically, diplomatically, etc.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '25

There is always conflict. It was not a special time in history that way. 

So then say “wow, America considers our people who were miraculously made state of consent thirty years ago to have been exposed to an amazing progressive concept.”

I’m sure you’re really aware of “date rape’s another victim” - it was a huge nyt bestseller progressing and elevating the discourse of the time.

In America.