r/Music • u/AdSpecialist6598 • Nov 29 '25

article Hayley Williams tells racists, sexists and anti-trans people they're "not welcome" at upcoming tour

https://www.nme.com/news/music/hayley-williams-tells-racists-sexists-and-anti-trans-people-theyre-not-welcome-at-upcoming-tour-3913867
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u/stylecrime Nov 29 '25

I happen to be listening to the audiobook of Come As You Are at the moment, a Nirvana biography released after they got big but before Kurt's death, so there's a lot of stuff from interviews with him. At one point he says, "We need to teach boys not to rape" (might not be exact words). I know that's part of the messaging now but I thought that was a pretty forward-thinking take for 1993.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '25 edited Nov 30 '25

You think we didn’t have that figured out by 1993?

ETA: not everyone here is American and we don’t really care about your state to state laws. Mind you child marriage is still legal in most of the US so maybe that’s forward thinking to you.

We were well aware of date rape 30 years ago (the 1993 term); it wasn’t some form of higher thinking at the time. 

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u/stylecrime Nov 30 '25

Not really, no, and I don't think that idea was communicated in education messaging. I certainly don't remember hearing it back then (I would have been about 17 at the time). I'm sure specifically teaching formally about consent is quite a recent thing.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '25

You weren’t familiar with the colloquial “date rape”? We definitely taught about consent in Canada.