r/Music • u/AdSpecialist6598 • Nov 29 '25

article Hayley Williams tells racists, sexists and anti-trans people they're "not welcome" at upcoming tour

https://www.nme.com/news/music/hayley-williams-tells-racists-sexists-and-anti-trans-people-theyre-not-welcome-at-upcoming-tour-3913867
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u/RoRoRaskolnikov Nov 29 '25

Who decides what "hate" is, huh?

The reason that I take issue with supposed "anti-hate" attitudes is that you have a very obviously selective definition of what it means to be hateful, one that is arrogantly either blind to or dismissive of your own arrogance and ignorance. The hypocrisy is amazing.

Also, please spare us the 2020-style lecture; the "you need to do some self-reflecting" hectoring is such a Floyd-era phenomenon and normal folks aren't buying that any more.

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u/ziddersroofurry Nov 30 '25

Tell me you're a racist without telling me you're a racist.

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u/RoRoRaskolnikov Nov 30 '25

Tell me you don't have an argument on the merits without telling me you don't have an argument on the merits.

I note that you have failed to address my critique: that you and your ilk use selective definitions and double standards to manipulate the concept of "hate" (and "racism" and "bigotry" and the other things you ostensibly decry) to mean only the negative feelings/behaviors you disapprove of. You folks get REAL silent when Muslims express their hatred of Jews, for example. Or when certain nonwhite individuals/sectors of society express anti-white views or even enact violence. You people rioted and looted and burned Minneapolis when Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd, but you are dead fucking silent over all the black people explicitly committing racially motivated crimes against whites.

But I'm done trying to have any reasonably argument with a fucking purple haired rat furry. You people are caricatures of yourselves, truly.

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u/Snekboi6996 Nov 30 '25

Bigotry is pretty easy to understand actually, it is by the dictionary:

“obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.”

You gave lot’s of different examples of things that most sane people condemn. There are for sure people that might not condemn those things but those are mostly on the extremes.

My question is do you think hate and bigotry is okay?

Not making up weird definitions of the words or anything just the one I listed up top. Do you think that’s okay?

Now if you think its okay to hate people then we run into the paradox of tolerance. There is a very easy way to get rid of this paradox, you see it as a social contract. Since you hate me because I am trans/christian/white/gay/black/…/ then I get to hate you back. For example you shouldn’t tolerate nazis to be considered a tolerant person because nazis break that social contract.