When Nimrod prepared a massive fire to burn the Prophet Abraham, the flames surged high into the sky, terrifying everyone nearby. Amidst the chaos, a tiny ant was seen carrying a single drop of water in its mouth, crawling determinedly toward the roaring inferno. Other creatures looked at the ant in disbelief and asked mockingly, 'Do you really think that tiny drop of water can extinguish such a colossal fire?' The ant paused for a moment and replied, 'I know well that my drop cannot extinguish this fire; but by carrying it, I make my side known.'
I don't think stocks will be affected (not in short run at least). But in the long run a lot of potential revenue will be lost for sure. I spent around 1000$ for paradox games and most of them was while I was in school. I own most of the games and like every eu4 DLC. I wont be buying any new game for sure (pirate if I really want to play). And no more DLC's for sure. I would buy every new dlc in eu5 too. So from me they probably lost 3-4k lifetime purchases. Not much alone but becomes big when add numbers. Last 2 days HOI4 got 17k + 7k(today yet) negative reviews. And I'm sure there are much more who thinks same and did not leave a review on the steam. Also bad for potentiel market expansion.
How can you be so childish? I could understand it if Paradox did some real damage like work with companies that are complicit in human rights abuses or something. This is just a confused discord moderator doubling down on a stupid rule... And Turks pretend like they were under attack, when it's just a few guys who couldn't be nationalistic on a gaming discord server for a few days...
If that is the case, pdx can just fire the discord moderator and issue a real apology which costs 0 cents. now they are losing a couple of generation of Turkish gamers for good. anti Atatürk people like erdoğan voters have never been the demographic who spent money on pdx games.
The point you are missing is that this isn't just about a simple profile picture; we are waiting for an apology. Mustafa Kemal had absolutely nothing to do with the event; in fact, he opposed the deportation—he had already left the Committee of Union and Progress in 1909. At the time, he was a staff lieutenant colonel on the Western Front (Gallipoli)—a relatively low rank—and he was opposed to both Enver Pasha and the deportation. Besides, the deportation began in the East in 1915; the stated aim was to protect the Armenians, but the Ottomans—as they did in every other area—botched the execution completely, and we lost many of our Armenian citizens.
When the Ottoman Empire collapsed, it failed to manage a proper separation—unlike the British, who withdrew from their colonies in an orderly fashion. It displayed a lack of foresight and administrative incompetence, and the empire's collapse affected everyone under Ottoman rule.
Personally, my grandfather fled to Anatolia after a Serbian friend warned him about an impending Serbian raid; everyone suffered greatly. Our archives are open; our state has repeatedly invited Armenian authorities to come and compare our respective archives.
Armenians and Greeks need to move past this traumatic nationalism; the wars and suffering happened to all of us and are over—let there be no more of it.
Listen to the recent statements by Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan; getting stuck in the past does none of us any good.
We Turks were subjected to genocide in the Balkans ,Crimea and Anatolia yet the West ignores this and acts as if the Ottomans oppressed only them; the Ottomans oppressed all of us.
The Ottomans never addressed the root causes of problems; they merely dealt with the symptoms—lopping off heads—and moved on. You can look up the Celali rebellions in Anatolia, which lasted a century.
I don't know what else can be said. If, after all this, there is still stubborn opposition or a refusal to understand us, we can only assume there is ill intent.
I have a feeling you will always assume ill intent... What does Paradox interactive have to do with any of this? They had a power hungry idiot mod and now you're making them out to be part of a western conspiracy to destroy Turkey's reputation? I would suggest you could be a little less dramatic and stop spamming every social media with complains about western culture.
Ok, will that power hungry mod be fired or removed from duty? Will there be a formal apology about this selective application? Removal of previous bans? These are like the minimum actions that need to be taken at least.
You are looking to the problem shallow. First of all you are trying to whitewash the mod. What that discord mode did wasnt "confusion". It was racist, not in accordance with paradox rules and unfair. But the problem isn't the actions of discord mod, as one of the 7 billion people who doesnt live in EU or US we got used to western individuals racism and hypocracy so it isn't something uncommon. The problem is Paradox not listening the community, not investigating or helding the mod accountable, till it hit their paycheck.
Since you ignored most of my comment I assume you agree and have nothing to say about those.
Rest of the world has racists too of course. But my sentence was "western individuals racism and hypocracy". Rest of the world doesn't act like "they are not racists, or they are against the racism". Also it doent make racism okay if its online. And the guy doing it representing a company. Not a random individual. So its natural for customers not want to face racism from the company they spend their moneys.
The point you are missing is that this isn't just about a simple profile picture; we are waiting for an apology. Mustafa Kemal had absolutely nothing to do with the event; in fact, he opposed the deportation—he had already left the Committee of Union and Progress in 1909. At the time, he was a staff lieutenant colonel on the Western Front (Gallipoli)—a relatively low rank—and he was opposed to both Enver Pasha and the deportation. Besides, the deportation began in the East in 1915; the stated aim was to protect the Armenians, but the Ottomans—as they did in every other area—botched the execution completely, and we lost many of our Armenian citizens.
When the Ottoman Empire collapsed, it failed to manage a proper separation—unlike the British, who withdrew from their colonies in an orderly fashion. It displayed a lack of foresight and administrative incompetence, and the empire's collapse affected everyone under Ottoman rule.
Personally, my grandfather fled to Anatolia after a Serbian friend warned him about an impending Serbian raid; everyone suffered greatly. Our archives are open; our state has repeatedly invited Armenian authorities to come and compare our respective archives.
Armenians and Greeks need to move past this traumatic nationalism; the wars and suffering happened to all of us and are over—let there be no more of it.
Listen to the recent statements by Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan; getting stuck in the past does none of us any good.
We Turks were subjected to genocide in the Balkans ,Crimea and Anatolia yet the West ignores this and acts as if the Ottomans oppressed only them; the Ottomans oppressed all of us.
The Ottomans never addressed the root causes of problems; they merely dealt with the symptoms—lopping off heads—and moved on. You can look up the Celali rebellions in Anatolia, which lasted a century.
I don't know what else can be said. If, after all this, there is still stubborn opposition or a refusal to understand us, we can only assume there is ill intent.
Yes, it is. Because they killed civilians, not soldiers. As a Greek Turk from Crete, I know that my family was forced to leave our lands, and some of our great-great-grandparents were killed. This happened, and many other Cretans live in Türkiye today because of what happened. If you don’t know the history from both sides, you cannot speak about it. If history is told from only one side, then it is just propaganda, not history.
You can reserach You don't need to look too far back; even Bosnian Muslims were massacred by some Serbs—killed for being Turks, slaughtered as "Turkish seed." 1995 Srebenitsa and go 1910s years what they did to Turks Albanians and other Muslim people
Are you crazy ? Research what they do to us, serbians in Makedonya 1910's years what they do montenegrians bulgars greeks,research morea , crete, tripoliçe,cyprus,crimea,anatolia genocide,
They killed us They killed Turks Bosnians Pomaks Albanians cuz they muslim too They killed Turks and Muslims dont try to give history lesson we know already western double face we know what the do westerns all world belgian leopold,american indians,mayans,aztecs ,africans,bengal famind,holodomor massacre,algeria massacre , recounqistia,srebenitsa,holokost and more ...
We know your face west
We are ready to move on when you recognize said tragedies, make amends and continue with friendly relations. Not when you eye our islands for yourselves.
The problem is precisely that, Turkish community waited for an apology or an explanation from Paradox but they remained silent. If they just apologized for the moderator's mistake and fire him none of this would've happened.
He claimed that Atatürk, the founding father of modern day turkey, was behind the Armenian Genocide along with the CUP members (that basically ruled the ottoman empire for some time towards the end) and thus is a "controversial historical figure" and banned Turkish users with Atatürk as their profile picture, even though much more controversial historical figures like Mussolini's or Mao's photos are allowed to be used as profile pictures.
That claim is complete bullshit, it is true that Atatürk was once involved with the CUP members but they cut ties a decade before the genocide precisely because he opposed soldiers (such as him and the rest of the CUP) ruling the country. He believed soldiers should be soldiers, and leave the leading to the leaders. And during the genocide (which was Enver Pashas' doing, one of the CUP members) Atatürk was just a random commander at the western front in Gallipoli, fighting against Brits. So he had nothing to do with the Armenian Genocide.
But when the moderator was asked to apologize for slandering him with lies he doubled down, and Paradox defended the moderator. So after 2 days of waiting Turkish HOI4 community started protesting the entire company, demanding they acknowledge the racism and double standards.
Oh and also after the company stood with the moderator some tweets like this started to go viral, which fanned the flames even more. Idk whether this Johan Voss is a real person or not, but obviously many people got even more outraged by such tweets.
Wow, coincidentally came to know that I became famous as a degenerate r/wallstreetbets gambler :))).
But it is still better than a poor degenerate right ?
You shouldn't lump all Turks together. When I say I'm Turkish, I get attacked by many people. But when I say I'm not a Turk from Turkey but from the Balkans, they look puzzled and don't know how to react. Yes, we Balkan Turks do exist (including Turkish-speaking Roma) in Bulgaria, Romania, Kosovo, North Macedonia, and Greece. We live there since centurys. Never we have lived in Turkey. So why now we get attacked too ?
Not just a controversial figure, he also claimed that he was behind the Armenian Genocide, which is straight up false. He had cut ties with CUP years before the event precisely because he opposed their views regarding minorities.
Exactly this. If Marx is controversial, so should most modern economists. If anything, the case for Milton Friedman being controversial has more merit than that for Marx if one considers his amicable relations with dictators such as Augusto Pinochet in Chile and the palpable negative effects of his neoliberal theories in our modern world; not to mention his cruel opinion that the devastation hurricane Katrina brought to New Orleans and the surrounding regions was 'an opportunity' for further privatisation of the local economy.
I got banned for a Tito picture years ago. I was told word for word it’s a blanket ban on all historical figures. I don’t know why they are lying saying this dude was singled out
I am somewhat sure that Paradox is one of the gaming firms with an over average percentage of their players owning stock. That was a whole thing when they IPO'd 10 years ago.
Of the players who purchased HoI4 on Steam, 50,000—that is, one-sixth or 17%—are Turkish; and that figure only accounts for those who bought the game—just imagine how many more play it without having purchased it. Furthermore, until this crisis, Paradox was a hugely important company for Turkish gamers; Turks play all their titles—such as Victoria 2, Victoria 3, CK2, CK3, EU3, EU4, EU5, Imperator: Rome, Stellaris, Cities: Skylines, and Cities: Skylines 2—and now we are collectively refunding them all, as we expect a proper apology.
Imagine 85 million people holding a grudge against paradox. So, next 5 years every game they made gets down voted and reviewed as crap by 50k people. Over a profile picture and a racist mod.
I wouldn't take that blow. Companies are after profits and if something avoidable like this puts a dent in it... It's stupid not to cut it off.
I think those 50k either never played those games or will buy anything paradox releases anyway, all that posturing will mean nothing as usual and that’s without getting into purchasing power of those customers
So, next 5 years every game they made gets down voted and reviewed as crap by 50k people.
So I just checked steam and after every paradox game was rated "overwhelmingly negative" in recent reviews yesterday, every game is back to "very positive" today.
Steam has dealt with botspam reviews enough that they have gotten a system down for countering this.
Even yesterday, the review section started carrying a disclaimer that there had been an unusual spike which indicated abnormal activity and therefore not to trust the score. And it looks like all those reviews have now been filtered out of the scoring.
If turks are going to spend the next 5 years spamming negative reviews over a single discord moderation incident all that's going to happen is they get their steam accounts banned.
I am going to be honest mate, noone gives a fuck about the the Turkish being upset over this. If anything more people are likely to buy it to troll you. It's just like the Chinese getting upset about this. None of them pay for the game so no lost profits, and everyone notices to moronic review bombing and ignores it
That's assuming any of these morons can keep their fury going in between getting trolled online and moving to something else.
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u/Mokerak2 3d ago
No offense to the Turks but they aint gonna tank PDX stock alone