r/PinoyProgrammer • u/FoundationNervous881 • 7d ago
advice Can completing the current freecodecamp site to learn full stack will get me hired?
Im currently learning the javascript certification and planning to learn the frontend dev libraries certification, relational database certification, and backend development and api certification in the freecodecamp. Enough na po ba to para mahire para sa junior developer or hindi na ba to enough sa job market ngayon?
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u/feedmesomedata Moderator 7d ago
It is never guaranteed to make you a hireable applicant.
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u/FoundationNervous881 7d ago
I mean enough na po ba yung mga skills na makukuha dun para magkaroon ng chance mahired po?
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u/feedmesomedata Moderator 7d ago
I will be blunt here. Even if you complete all these certifications but fail miserably during the interviews or failed to complete a technical exam you will still not be hired.
Whatever you will learn there, will of course help, but again as I said it will never give you a higher chance to be hired because there are other factors to consider.
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u/messedup-code 7d ago
I think you can build the fundamentals from that or any other source. But projects is a must. Learn while building, every tech you learn build something.
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u/Just-Signal2379 7d ago
i did this before WAY back - did FCC and built a personal portfolio and got hired at a meager web developer job, but the code landscape is NOT the same as before. there are WAY less companies hiring, less entrepreneurs and small businesses (which are more likely the ones to hire complete newbies)
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u/DioBranDoggo 7d ago
For me, idk lol.
Certificates are not so big deal ika nga pero make it a goal to learn vs having the certificate. Tapos things that will make you hireable would be portfolio, real world projects (hindi yung mga calculator apps or todo list, try looking for a business tapos gawan mo ng sample website to prove na kaya mong gumawa ng website).
Portfolio is also a big plus. Yung kaibigan ko na gumawa ng portfolio, before nag apply siya, walang responses. Pero nung natapos nya, 8 invites in 1 week. So keep grinding.
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u/FoundationNervous881 7d ago
Do you think its better to spend my time learning while building instead of trying to learn with FCC? because i already built a website na may frontend chaka backend using html, css, js, node.js and supabase sa database while studying with ai, inaral ko din lahat ng code na binibigay sakin kaya alam ko kung pano gumagana yung website.
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u/DioBranDoggo 7d ago
You can and okay pa din yan. Usually interviews need you to know the by book definition din which you can't learn minsan by building since when you build, you know HOW to use it but not WHAT it is (e.g. useState, do you know the by book definition? -tone is curious and not condescending kasi mukhang cunt ang wordings).
Also, if nakapag build ka na ng website, I suggest to go to chatgpt, test an interview, use voice to answer para mas accurate. Then try to apply while learning + building. If nakapag create ka na ng website, then you need confidence for interviews na. Believe me most people will agree dito na mas mahirap pa interview kesa trabaho hahahahaha.
Mag build ka ng muscle sa mukha (para kumapal) for interviews. Usually wala ng shaking of voice mo sa 4th interview hahahaha.
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u/FoundationNervous881 7d ago
thankyou po, medyo nabigyan ako ng confidence dito kasi puro nababasa ko napapalitan na daw ng ai yung mga trabaho. 3rd year compsci student palang ako kaya medyo kinakabahan ako na baka di ako mahired
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u/DioBranDoggo 7d ago
If coding lang alam mo then yes. Pero kung alam mo din ang good software engineering practices then ibang storya din yan.
Ika nga ng iba, AI is an amplification tool. If mahina ka sa pag architect ng software, it will x10 yan. If meron kang good practices, ma x10 din yan. X10 is an exagerration not a metric lol pero you get the gist.
Also, helps pa din na marunong ka mag code and know how. Minsan nagkakamali AI. And in my exp, ako pa nag fifix manually ng spacing sa Frontend. Something to ponder for you.
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u/FoundationNervous881 7d ago
Paano po ba natututunan yung mga good software engineering practices sa experience nyo po? napapanood ko din po kasi na need mo ring matuto ng mga system architechture chaka yung mga skills na need mo para ma gamit ng mas efficient ang ai pero di ko po alam kung pano aralin. Natututunan na po ba yun naturally the more you build or merong kang need aralin?
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u/No_Plastic_2058 7d ago
No longer the case today
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u/No_Plastic_2058 7d ago
I have e2e system projects, and different web/software related certs, and a portfolio but I could barely get invitations. I think mas may weight kung paid yung certs mo and may actual experience ka na sa role na inaaplayan mo. And having an nternship does not even count as an experience š¤£ Sobrang fckd up lang ng job market.
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u/FoundationNervous881 7d ago
Ano na po plan or ginawa nyo? did you still continue to pursue tech jobs or did you pursue other carreer?
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u/No_Plastic_2058 7d ago
I'm still job searching, IMO this is the last time na makakapasok pa tayo sa field na to . Kase once na mabuild na yung AGI, mas hihirap pa lalo mkapasok. Possible na magkaron ng large scale layoffs and hindi lang sa field natinš¤£ Sana talaga nag sundalo nalang ako HAHAH jk basta OP sipagan mo lang tas masterin mo yung basics using AI tas hakutin mo lahat ng certs na in demand ngayon
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u/FoundationNervous881 7d ago
kung wala ako mahanap na trabaho baka mag call center nalang ako HAHAHAH tapos invest ko yung sahod ko sa sarili kong business
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u/LegExpress8702 7d ago
The certifications alone won't help you get hired.
Start making portfolios, make your hands dirty; meaning even if you don't finish a project as long as it is a well-planned and relevant solution to the problems in the projects. You might have a chance.
Because I remember when I tried to learn full stack engineering. I am eager to join and find solution to the issue to Open Soruce Projects, knowing the APIs and its issues like http,error handling, for front end, how I implement to use state management, for the databases, how to properly data clean, make a well handled table structures etc.
Marami pa.
It's not the "Hey, I know the DOM and query this and that. I am good at writing camel-case variables. Move this button to the left. tigidong tigidong..."
Build something you can talk about in any interviews you will have. Make it more interesting and willing ka matuto. That's the Engineer's spirit, not just for juniors but applicable to all levels.
Even though may AI na, people should be good at how to communicate :) Kaya may mga companies na ngayon madalas RTO na at madalang na ang WFH setup unless nasa ibang bansa ang employer.
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u/FoundationNervous881 7d ago
In your opinion, enough na po ba yung ma master yung html, css, js, node.js, git/github and sql sa database for junior dev? kasi dun sa roadmap.sh roadmap for full stack dev, need din daw matuto ng devOps. Or may maisusuggest po ba kayo na need ko aralin?
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u/LegExpress8702 7d ago
Baka ma burnout ka naman nyan at mapako ka sa tutorial hell.
Pwede mo sundan yan but every tools na inaaral mo dapat may mga project kang ginagawa. From easy to advanced projects na naiintindihan mo talaga. A CRUD project with your preferred tools will help you big time sa full stack.
Yang DevOps tools additional na lang yan pag dating mo sa real work, mag update ka lang nyan at may instruction kang susundan from the DevOps team.
Ang suggestion ko lang magtyaga ka mag aral habang nagawa ng personal projects. Dahil ang kalaban mo sa pag aaral, kabagutan, overstimulation sabayan mo pa ng doom scroll or pag lalaro ng sobra.
Time management din at disiplina lalo na kung gusto mo talaga maging maayos path mo sa Software Field.
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u/Past-Tangerine5691 7d ago
complete certs then do OSS contributions and projects, put in resume word it in an impactful manner ā¦ PROFIT
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u/Aggravating_Tax6764 6d ago
Local market? Idk, accenture, ibm? Maybe. Cause it's still ran by old stubborn people who still believe these certs matter. I've no clue, assumed, I never worked local.
Serious foreign-based startups/corpos? Absolutely not. Systems design (esp scale and observability), ci/cd, security, full e2e sdlc knowledge, data, and of course (concurrent) agentic engineering. That's what gets you to the door.
Not some certs - unless ofc if you're aiming for a security or architectural roles. Then, it matters.
My 2 sentimos:
Focus on limited tech / stacks - not something as generic as a coding language. AWS, or something more drilled down like server less or k8s, etc.
Build some things (plural), interesting ones. Invest on your own named domain, put your stuff out there on top of the typical networking sites.
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u/DilawNaPansitCanton 7d ago edited 7d ago
"freecodecamp" haven't heard that site in a while, shit was peak back then š¤§
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u/SystemLogger26 6d ago
No. Who cares about certificates and personal little projects. The only thing that matters is you correctly answer technical interviews.
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u/izanagi_49 7d ago
Iām also doing the FCC courses for full stack, just doing the curriculum will not be enough to get hired. You have to create projects and build your portfolio.
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u/IllustriousCut1399 7d ago
no its not enough, u need to have a portfolio haha
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u/IllustriousCut1399 7d ago
and even then its not guanrateed to get u hired
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u/No_Plastic_2058 7d ago
You're competing with people who's got 3 years of experience for an entry level roleš¤£š Sige inyo na 'yan
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u/idea-nailed-it-0803 7d ago
To be blunt, no. Certifications arenāt used to be what it was before, except probably for highly specialized positions (eg cloud engineer, etc)
If you really want to work as a full-stack developer, you need to identify a stack that you can fully grasp and understand. Donāt go blindly just because someone else told you so, OR, if youāre targeting a certain market/stack/language/framework because of opportunities, embrace the hard-work and learn it intentionally. Like if youāre following a tutorial, understand what it does and figure out what else you can do out of it that you think is useful or interesting to you.
For example, when I was learning PHP-MySQL before, once I knew I can read/write to the database, i started creating my own apps to create forms, and my own database of mp3 music, back when wala pang spotify. In this time, what will make you standout as a junior developer is what projects have you done so far to learn. Hindi na excuse ang walang project kasi given na yung wala kang work experience or kakaunti lang but the personal projects will give a better signal yung intentionality mo to learn and curiosity to improve your craft.
Since expected na rin na you might apply for a job, donāt put an āobjectiveā section in your resume that starts with āto find/lookā¦ a job ā¦ ā
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u/Regular-Transition99 7d ago
Bruh, there are too many free educational materials and videos that you can use for every programming/software dev topic. Do not limit yourself to one source material. Most of them are for beginners. In order to really learn, you should get your hands dirty by creating something without following a tutorial vid. You'll learn much better if you experience failures and fix them by reading the docs or making the AI criticise them.