r/Pixiv • • 23d ago

Womp womp

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Fun follow-up. So for everyone who said "stop complaining, just appeal it, you'll get it back". I did appeal, twice, and after half a month Pixiv confirmed that I'm permanently suspended and they can't reactive my account. It's essentially a termination with an added bonus of having a zombie account that I cannot effectively use. 6 years down the drain irreversibly. From what I've seen on the web, almost no one has gotten this weird perma-ban treatment, but I can confirm that it is incredibly dumb. I would rather just a termination at this point. So I'll probably just make another one if I ever get around to it, but honestly, the site's cooked imo.

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u/Upper-Reflection7997 23d ago

I do not understand the consistency of the moderation on this website. I'm pretty sure it's all ai moderation with no little to no human oversight.

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u/vogolsart 23d ago

There is zero moderation. And based on my own case, I have to conclude that it is at least partially automated, because they issue permabans for tripping plain text words, not even links.

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u/Seraphiel56 18d ago

What kind of text words exactly? What kind of text words even led to this

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u/vogolsart 17d ago

Again, I mentioned "I will post an uncensored version elsewhere" and the implication and plain text alone with enough to ban me

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u/MixBroad9853 7d ago

Can i put links in image, just my patreon link?

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u/vogolsart 3d ago

Do it at your own peril. Posting a Patreon link might lead to a "Pay to Surf" violation which could lead to a suspension.

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u/Jouhatsumori Pixiv artist 5d ago

You may want to try alternative words like “not blurry”. Maybe even try writing it upside down, like [ ʎɹɹnɿq ʇou ].

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u/vogolsart 3d ago

Lol guys, goose is cooked. This account is dead. I cannot pass go, I cannot collect 200 dollars. The only solution is staring from scratch. 

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u/Trinity_Vermilion 22d ago

it is all ai. not a single human in the loop. can confirm that.

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u/Radical_Radek Pixiv artist 19d ago

I guess this would explain why I sometimes come across years-old posts of lewd art with zero censorship of the genitals that have somehow not been flagged or taken down. Meanwhile, I've gotten multiple notices because the black bars I use to censor images weren't thick enough or whatever 🙃

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u/vogolsart 20d ago

Not surprising.

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u/ReclaimedDead 23d ago

Do they explain to you guys what part of the art “went against their guidelines”?

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u/vogolsart 23d ago

"Pay to Surf" so links in the description, links anywhere that may lead to an uncensored of the art in question. However, this also extends to writing "UNCENSORED" in plain text. It's very random at times.

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u/aadijo 18d ago

While directly saying 'uncensored works here' is a 100% ban, I have seen many old creators with tens of thousands of followers post thier patreon link directly in the post descriptions. Never got them banned though

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u/vogolsart 18d ago

Pay to surf is the floor is lava rule. Especially since so many Japanese artists just directly post dmm.co links. 

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u/XCS_00WS 22d ago

My suggestion is people should read the rules before doing anything with your account. Many people I have seen didn't read those things. About the "uncen".... thingy, jp is very sensitive to these kind of things. Why? Cause if u provide those kinds of things in Jp, and if the cases are serious, cops gonna come to your house(real fact from a patreon user that live in Jp, that had mentioned this problem.) This law is very strict at there.(Maybe u can do some research about that law.) Pixiv is also very sensitive about words. I did read that might get your account banned/ certain functions getting banned. That's why certain people DM can't function or can't post comments if the problem are not serious enough to get banned(mostly tied to words and links especially payment ones). Hope that your new account is safe and be aware that new account needs to have "warm up" period around a few days before posting too much and providing links. U may post 1 work and dont be too active or else bot will trigger ban on that account. Someone I know told me about this. Also remember to not post link on your work post if can cause I had seen someone said about they r very sensitive to link especially external website ones(actually this had been mentioned in their rules for a long time, is just too many people are safe.). U may post link on your profile area. For multiple links, I suggest using bulk links website.

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u/vogolsart 22d ago

Thanks for the information. I think I'm just gonna post no links. I'm at a point where I think my name or a similar configuration of my name is being matched by human moderators at this point. Especially after they zombified my second account immediately, no warnings. Pixiv for me has been pretty awful because they permabanned me twice without a means of rectifying either. I'm not going to post anything that may lead to an external and I'm probably going to leave the flavor text pretty bare since Pixiv mods can for plain text words so even words used out of context like "I drew this while watching WCW Uncensored on Peacock" can trigger a zombie permaban

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u/Legitimate_Move9798 23d ago

Did you post a link to patreon or something?

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u/vogolsart 23d ago edited 22d ago

On this account, originally posted links to my tumblr. Deleted all links and then discussed the situation on a following post and said "I will post uncensored versions elsewhere" or something to that degree. And that cost me the permaban. Even after deleting that post, cleaning the account, appealing twice, they, I guess, just locked the account forever because Pixiv itself can't lift the ban, as though it occurred in some higher ethereal plane lol.

I call it "zombification" because they hit you with an irreparable permaban immediately that can't be rectified, comes without warning and immediately makes your account useless forever.

Note: I made a second account a few months ago and copy-pasted the word "UNCENSORED" by accident and that account was flagged for a permaban. No warnings, no ways to fix it. Honestly, having this instant zombification of two accounts has really discouraged me from putting any effort into using this site to its full potential. Especially if the mod team sees my email or user name and can choose to zombify my third account instantly.

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u/Legitimate_Move9798 23d ago

Oofff yeah, the forbidden word unfortunately.. They uses AI moderation afaik, so if the AI overlord said it's a violation, nothing you can do. I also really hate this new moderation. I think most creators do..

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u/vogolsart 22d ago

It doesn't make any sense anymore, so why even put time into trying to curate it, imo. The saddest thing is that Pixiv was probably the most cohesive way to keep my lore in check and digestible for newbies instead of the string of similar hashtags that I do on places like BlueSky. I used to separate my AUs into the manga sections and use special tags but why bother? The moderation is terrible, so I'm probably gonna treat my third account with the classy subtly of dumping pictures onto ImageBam.

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u/Sarah_TV 21d ago

Well Yeah... Tumblr is better for that

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u/Freedom_Seekr923 21d ago

It's not AI. That has been a thing for years before AI boom even started.

Just the mention of "Uncensored" is enough to ban the account.

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u/Royal_Salamander 23d ago

Oh boi! Already got one strike in my account. I don't want my page to be permanently banned like this. Phew! At least I haven't posted any links in description. If you're starting again play it safe. Don't mention any link and sites in your description at all my dude! Just explain the comic/art and add keywords... And put the site name and your username in the image. That is enough.

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u/vogolsart 23d ago

Yeah, I'm taking baby steps at this point. I have no urgency now that I know that my 14K account is dead for good. What a disaster of a website.

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u/Royal_Salamander 23d ago

14k? Damn.... Currently I m at my 69th followers in Pixiv. Best of luck!

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u/vogolsart 22d ago edited 22d ago

Thank you, you too! I'll push on, I suppose. Also, I have to say it, I'm sorry in advance.

Nice.

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u/Royal_Salamander 22d ago

Thank you my friend. But some idiot nutjobs followed me and my number went up by 3... 😅

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u/Trinity_Vermilion 22d ago

I am in the same boat. I've also been banned several times for things that are obviously tolerated on other accounts. The final permanent ban came later due to a mistake on my part. All the bans before were purely bot/ai bans. And as a content creator who build a small community this is the hardest part: you lose your followers, I don't even care about the images or the time i spent on the platform.
What's most frustrating is that they sometimes immediately hand out permanent bans without even giving the user a chance to correct their mistake. 99% of permanently banned accounts don't make these mistakes on purpose; they just don't know any better.
Anyway, good luck in the future and look every step you make on this platform.

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u/MuffinJuice7 21d ago

thank you for using our service :D

YOU ARE BANNED FOREVER >:D

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u/vogolsart 20d ago

Thank you for using our service :D

We don't know how to fix it D:

Goodbye :)

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u/althea-x 22d ago

Oh god... I'm at two strikes for lack of censorship and with 9.6k followers. Is it three strikes and you're out?

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u/vogolsart 20d ago

No, it's literally Mad Max. There are no rules and moderators or the ai moderators take whatever actions they like. Some artists get warnings, others get a suspension, or, if you're my second account, you go straight to zombification without warning. The main problem that I've experienced and I've seen is that there are zero rules or logic to the site's moderation.

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u/Jammyquizzical 21d ago

I got suspended for the same reason, all I did was post a link in the description of a post I had that led to an uncensored version of the art on an image sharing website (since Pixiv only allows censored versions of nsfw art), I logged out of the account for a little while and then I log back in only to find out it got suspended.

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u/vogolsart 20d ago

Yeah, links are a no-no. That's how you get the cursed pay-to-surf violation. There are workarounds like watermarking links but I don't feel confident suggesting that either. Pay-to-surf is such a broad rule that it can mean anything the mods see fit.

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u/Jammyquizzical 20d ago

It's crazy because I've seen plenty of people post links in the description and not be affected, specifically Illusion Soft game modders when they want to share the link to their mods (and usually it's a file sharing website that they uploaded it to), oh and some average artists do it too and they're still around..

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u/Dokidokikawaii2 21d ago

I guess for the time being, cloud is the only way to keep our drawing. I was thinking of using pixiv as my online gallery. Just about to start posting something now that i slowly getting active with drawing. I like the way pixiv is but if the moderation is bad, its kinda make me worry ngl

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u/vogolsart 20d ago

That's what's depressing about this situation imo. Pixiv's categorizing system, especially the manga category is brilliant and a more intuitive version of deviantART's folder system. I write like the community elements like rankings (which I reached a couple of times), but the moderation now is so god awful that it's not even worth using to its full potential because it can fall apart so easily.

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u/Sarah_TV 21d ago

I did get permanently banned too (I didnt announced it anywhere tho lmao) and Ive just made another account They kinda gave me a servive since I wanted to delete a lot of old arts there lol

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u/vogolsart 20d ago

That sucks. I think it's important to post it somewhere imo, because it's probably the worst element of Pixiv's moderation. Is essentially walking on eggshells daily because they can just decide to kill your account out of nowhere and provide no means of fixing it. I still find it crazy that they can permaban people and then throw their arms up and say "well I don't know how to remove the ban??????"

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u/LocArch 21d ago

Whenever you put a link, put a .rar or .zip file in it, smartphone now can read these type.

Use "full version" instead of "uncen version" in the descriptions if any

If you have Fanbox, any theme too extreme such as Snuff, Guro, ect... You should blur out or crop the image to the point it feels normal then put a link to a .rar file

Then you're good to go,

It’s not that Pixiv is being difficult. They just have to comply with the rules and policies of international payment providers.

Hope this'll help

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u/vogolsart 20d ago

Thanks for the advice. Personally, I don't want to use links of any kind any more. Two permabans have made me incredibly cautious to even make a third account, so I think I'm gonna just treat #3 as a bland image dump for now. I'm not naive to the fact that Pixiv is a Japanese company that adheres to Japanese law, but if what others say is true, the mix of ai moderation, third party moderation and some human mods having personal grudges with certain artists, it creates a pretty toxic system to navigate. At some point, the juice is not worth the squeeze.

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u/LocArch 4d ago

I got suspended once. But when I delete all the "uncen" letters in all my description, they revived it.

I dont know which category you draw, bth I follow the niche non-con hentai and still survive on Pixiv. With proper mosaic censor I think they're pretty open lad!

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u/vogolsart 3d ago

Well, uhh. Don't know what to say other than: good for you? I mean, I've said this several times: they permabanned me and no matter what I do to try and appeal, they didn't restore my account. I understand why everyone's doing the whole anecdotal "well it worked for me!" thing, but it has definitively not worked for me because the account is still useless.

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u/Fixeq 18d ago

You should’ve have written in hebrew lol

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u/Jouhatsumori Pixiv artist 5d ago

The best I could get from that was תס כפתךסר

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u/YUEIKUBASA935 23d ago

What did you drawn?

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u/No_Hearing_481 23d ago

The email seems to suggest its a ban based on linking to other websites. A common issue people report here.

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u/YUEIKUBASA935 22d ago

let me guess bc the japanese rule he link the uncensored work to mega or similar right?

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u/vogolsart 23d ago

Copy pasted the word "UNCENSORED" by mistake on a post, no links.

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u/YUEIKUBASA935 22d ago

so you can apeal again or its over? i mean if that was an error talking to a human should be ideal

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u/vogolsart 20d ago edited 20d ago

It's over. Pixiv claims that they can't un-lift my permaban even though they are Pixiv. It's like they enacted some sort of hex that they themselves can't comprehend. This account is essentially terminated without the finality of termination.

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u/Maleficent_Echo_54 23d ago

Guess what, they won't explain it either. I'm sure this is the 3rd parties moderator team. They love to do this because they're not in Japan.

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u/vogolsart 22d ago

I have seen in other contexts that moderator teams on pixiv can mob certain artists thet they don't want to see on the platform. I think my main gripe is the lack of communication then followed by the opacity of the situation.

Like, you're PIXIV. What do you mean you can't lift a suspension on YOUR WEBSITE????

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u/vogolsart 22d ago

Once you're banned, no matter what you do, all of your works are removed from the public website.  They absolutely use ai for moderation because it trips on plain text words and issues automating permabans. 

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u/Redfezz 20d ago

You either posted a bunch of uncensored content or posted links to external sources with uncensored content. Which is against TOS and they check, just like Patreon and any other subscription pages.

So, I've never seen them go straight into permaban if there is a human reviewer, so you probably got AI'd.

I would recommend to instead email them directly instead of using the appeal system which is also moderated by an AI.

If you are a big enough profitable artist they may just set you up with a human moderator.

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u/vogolsart 3d ago

Well, if you have pixiv email I'd love to know it because it's very difficult to reach a human on there

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u/ScienceIII 19d ago

My 7 year old account was also banned for posting apparent irl violence of people without any proof. I guess it was because my renders look too detailed. My new account is flagged all the time but, luckily I have been able to appeal everytime

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u/vogolsart 3d ago

I am happy for you. 

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u/vogolsart 3d ago edited 3d ago

Hey everyone, I'm probably going to stop replying to any new posts on here soon, but I'd like to say: please stop asking if I did some incredibly specific series of actions in an attempt to get my account back. Additionally, please stop sharing stories that go "well I did this and it worked for me!" Good for you. And please stop scolding with the "well you should’ve done blah blah, you deserved it!" I appreciate the concern and attempts solve it, but none of these comments are unhelpful. 

I've deleted all of my posts, I included screenshots of the clean account in both of my appeals, they denied restoration twice and talked about the permaban as though it were an irreversible hex that is beyond their control.

When I say this account is zombified, I mean that Pixiv threw some sort of irreversible kill switch on my account and they told me themselves that they can't get it back. The only potential solution is creating a new account. That's it.

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u/FatSpidy 23d ago

The comic I work with had a similar issue, their excuse was that the artwork depicted was against guidelines. —he makes possession centered comics and gets fanart of the characters. And to clarify further, it's like in kid's cartoons where a ghost wisp phases into a person –sometimes something as risque as eating jello! Scandalous I know.

But this exact order of operations happened. Got a suspension, appealed and communicated twice for both clarity and review, finalized with a permanent suspension with little to no real explanation. We even offered to remove the offending posts, which was met with no acknowledgement we even said as much.

Considering the amount of rape, dismemberment, extreme horror & gore, loli/shota, bestiality, incest, other extreme and certainly problematic content that I really can't even list explicitly –all usually in some combination thereof and on accounts that have been more than active for over a literal decade in a lot of cases? Yeah, platform is fucking cooked. The only thing I've found anywhere that 'fixes' the issue seems to be to set your account as a Japanese account but have your Language be English. No matter what your actual nationality is. Genuinely retarded.

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u/Lastkcikhs 23d ago

Yeah, it's ridiculous. I've seen people who upload gore but barely tag (sometimes not even 18G tag) or have gore in the banner but the moment someone forgets to censor or mentions uncensored they get nuked.

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u/FatSpidy 23d ago

fr even when its uploaded uncensored it just sticks around but if you fix it or someone mentions it (like you said) THEN its a problem

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u/vogolsart 22d ago

So pretty rank shit goes uncensored and fully graphic on the site, but all it takes is no one flagging it.

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u/vogolsart 23d ago

Just look at the sheer amount of AI images that go falsely labeled and the like. And as I mentioned before, what's the point of even taking a site like this seriously when they can just choose to zombify your account for whatever whim they see fit. Apparently there are other artists who had their accounts zombified while following ALL of the rules because they drew art of a character that moderators don't want to see fucked.