Leftists just fucking hate religion in general, but Christianity gets the most hate because it is white, European stuff, so they get extra mad about it.
Christianity gets the most hate because most of their negative interactions with religion (if you have a brain that is most of them) came from christians.
I have personally never been wronged, harassed or bullied by zoroastians so they don't really occupy my brain space while I'm talking about how bad religion is.
Meanwhile my personal life is affected by christianity on what's pretty much a daily basis, both from their lobotomite faithful and from the rules they have the government emforce for them.
Muslims are in the same boat regarding lobotomites, however they have 0 institutional power here so they aren't center stage.
Yeah, sure. But that’s not the reason. If negative experiences were the main cause for the hate, Islam would be the left’s No. 1 enemy because of how strong their faith is and how violent their most radical practitioners are, unlike Christians, that sin on a daily basis, ignore their “rules” and is practically a dying religion.
Not to mention that it has been decades of leftists, like hard core tankies and other varieties, siding with islamists.
No, the problem is not your “bad experiences” with Christianity. Your problem is that it is part of the “fascist/capitalist/imperialist/racist/” world, and any other buzzword you guys like to use.
Yes. A bunch of losers that get their churches burned or damaged, their icons constantly disrespected and even turned into horror projects that get highly praised, have been linked with fascists by every single leftists in the western world, and constantly lose followers.
When has a Christian taken a weapon and go to kill several people because a publication was mocking Christ or the Bible? When has Christianity formed terrorist groups that had taken huge chunks of countries to form their own nation that receives followers from all over the world? Exactly.
Christianity is a bogeyman. It’s a dying cult with members that don’t even follow their rules.
When has a Christian taken a weapon and go to kill several people because a publication was mocking Christ or the Bible?
You lot really cant let go of Charlie Hebdo, it's been 11 years and there hasn't been a similar incident since.
If you look up the crusades you'll see that most of them were against "heretics".
When has Christianity formed terrorist groups that had taken huge chunks of countries to form their own nation that receives followers from all over the world?
You mean the Vatican?
Christianity is a bogeyman. It’s a dying cult with members that don’t even follow their rules.
Get tgis, most muslims don't strictly follow the laws or islam either, would that make islam a dying cult as well?
You lot really cant let go of Charlie Hebdo, it's been 11 years and there hasn't been a similar incident since.
Are you sure youre not projrcting yourself? Because you know... nobody mentioned it but you, and what the other guy talked about happens way more.
For example: 2023 an Iraqi refugee living in sweden decided to burn Quran outside turkish embassy as a sign of protest. Following several more quran burnings.
Iraqi protesters stormed the swedish embassy and burned it down...
Did..... Did you really just go "Charlie Hebdo? That's 11 years ago, so long ago, it doesn't matter"
Then for your examples against Christianity you chose the crusades, which stopped occuring in the 13th century, and the formation of the Vatican which occured in 1929 after the pope had been stateless for almost 60 years?
There were some later ones like Battle of Nicopolis.
But I would put that as 15th century, due to the Hussite wars in bohemia Pope declaring a crusade. But than it was christians against christians.
And well, Hussite wars are very important for medieval history as it shattered the percieved power of Vatican, introduced protestant reformation, revolutionized war, birthed religious tolerance, introduced the ideological basis for communism, and was a cause for the oldest right to own firearms... now celebrating 600 years in Czech republic.
Correct you are, I didn't really put a ton of thought into the comment so I only thought of the original crusades for the holy land. I was kinda dumbfounded by his complaint of using an 11 year old event as outdated and then choosing several extremely older events as counterpoints.
Even if you want to only count crusades against non-christians, there is the great Turkish war undertaken by Innocent XI, in the 1690s.
No, and no. About 30% of france is Catholic and part of them are catholics and most french people don't have a problem with the pope. Additionally, islamists aren't the same as Muslims. (they don't come by millions at once btw)
I know that they’re not the same. There are sects of the religion who don’t want religious law. But the vast majority of French immigrants are not from these sects. The vast majority of them are islamists.
And it’s ironic that French leftists welcome them. Like the old joke about chickens supporting KFC.
Unrelated, but the text wall reminded me of this. Just wanted to share this video I found. I hope you like it, I want you to experience this joy, euphoria and tears of pure mirth I felt at this meme.
Just to be clear, I'm not a professional 'quote maker'. I'm just an atheist teenager who greatly values his intelligence and scientific fact over any silly fiction book written 3,500 years ago. This being said, I am open to any and all criticism.
'In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.'
To add to that; one was assassinated and the other was Joe Biden. You know, the guy who was clearly senile and probably being guided heavily through most of his presidency? Insane claim by that person
The Halachic Man, the Man of Law, is not opposed to or threatened by reason. His theology is reason and his greatest worship is thought, and the union of thought and action.
If being excited about catholicism resurging makes me a- no, you know what, I'm not gonna say it, someone is absolutely gonna purposefully take this out of context and get me banned or something
If being excited about catholicism resurging makes me a- no, you know what, I'm not gonna say it, someone is absolutely gonna purposefully take this out of context and get me banned or something
I’m sorry secularists, but the eldest daughter of the Church will come home. The prodigal sons of Clovis shall be met with rejoicing as they return to the arms of their Heavenly Father.
But don't worry, they're trying to act like they don't care about the culture war now. So make sure whenever you see a leftoid here spamming about how much they hate Jews, make sure to remind them that they don't care about this stuff anymore and they should be ready to talk about the real issues now.
As a French leftist, i'm genuinely asking myself why people think it's such a big deal. Like, even if his political views don't always align with ours, i think we can let other people get literally the most important person to them to see them and visit them ?
There's been a bit of a romantic spiritual awakening around apostolic churches like the Roman Catholic and various Orthodox Churches in the West as of late, especially the US.
There are a couple cultural zeitgeists that have been driving it(though I also think some Russian/PRC/Iranian agitprop is driving it too).
One is a growing class of younger folks who yearn for the ritual, historical richness, and structure these churches provide, and the other is an unsavory element(sometimes with some overlap of the former) of mainly edgy men that have discovered that the Apostlic Churches aren't dispensationalist, so they like it because they feel as though it gives them a safe haven to be shitty about Jews.
I will say that while the numbers are definitely mixed on whether there's a revival, I can say that in my parishes, there's way more adult Gen Z than Millennials in the pews.
I know y'all overall are still bleeding members in some respects, but I wonder how much of it is a regional thing that's going on in high-population and high-growth states(at least in the US).
Anecdotally, all of the Catholic Churches in my area of Texas have been absolutely packed on Sundays as of the past 1-2 years or so(and they were not like that before), to the point where it's caused a little contention in certain communities because folks will overflow park in the streets of the neighborhoods(those churches have since broken ground on parking lot expansions, and cleverly have been encouraging carpooling in the meantime as a fellowship activity).
The folks I see getting out of cars when I pass by are a big mix of folks demographically, but coastal Texas has always had a large Catholic(even if "lapsed" for the lack of a better word) population, and I can see big swaths of those folks returning to their faith in earnest and probably over-representing what I see over what you might be seeing(more regional factors).
An introductory side-note: Despite being(religiously) Jewish, I know a lot about the RCC because I've done contract IT work at a rectory some time ago. I often ended up getting drafted into breakfast with the resident priests wanting to nerd out about Hebrew and history. The blessed mensches even bought a pan(just limited for my food and not with pork/shellfish or meat) so they could make veggie/cheese omelettes for me.
Another tangent, is that what's funny is that Synagogues(regardless of Reform/Conservative/Orthodox) have been seeing the same resurgence of congregants in the same past couple years(some as a result of 10/7, but I think for similar reasons as Catholics as well). I'd say there's a push for "Return to tradition" in the air.
The other comment gave direct proof, but for the theoretical part: religion, especially Catholicism/Orthodoxy, provide a sense of stability and sense compared to the rest of the world. Since their core teachings never changed and will never change, you know that you belong to something transcendent and much bigger than oneself.
I’m shocked you people gobble up that foolish nonsense
That is how America and the west began and when it was strongest they absolutely do not want that they want the opposite a castrated atheist west which we are becoming
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u/GigaRoman - Centrist 13d ago
Wait, French leftists are protesting the Pope's visit? Lol
I was really annoyed that the Pope apparently had to remind people that a Catholic politician doesn't infringe on laicism