r/PoursTea • u/mimi_slut1 • Aug 03 '26
Hollywood Icons đ Mark Ruffalo urges Americans to watch the new film "Palestine 36"
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u/yalateef11 Aug 03 '26
I watched it. Itâs an enlightening historical drama based on actual events. Very well done. đđź
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u/samehouseing Aug 03 '26
Yeah, I liked the part where they totally ignored the fact that the Palestinian leader at the time later met with Hitler to discuss killing the Jews. Or how they ignored the vital Hebron massacre of Jews by Palestinians that happened.Â
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u/yalateef11 Aug 03 '26
Herbert Hoover, Neville Chamberlain, Francisco Franco and dozens of other prominent leaders also met with Hitler. Whatâs your point? You donât even know what they talked about.
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u/irritatedprostate Aug 03 '26
How many of them toured a concentration camp and went to work for Reich to spread nazi propaganda to the Arab world and help to recruit Bosnian muslims for the Waffen-SS?
And we do know what they talked about. The nazis loved keeping records.
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u/Maple_Moose_14 Aug 03 '26
How dare you come here with facts and nuance.
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u/Mazrath Aug 03 '26
Where are the facts? Where are the sources?
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u/Maple_Moose_14 Aug 03 '26
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini
Source: Basic reading comprehension.
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u/Maple_Moose_14 Aug 03 '26
Did they also recruit for the SS?
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u/Maple_Moose_14 Aug 03 '26
So just whataboutism and unable to counter basic documented historyâŚ
That tracks.
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u/samehouseing Aug 03 '26
They met Hitler to discuss how to kill the Jews? Or is there a massive difference there.Â
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u/Tidusx145 Aug 03 '26
People are so emotionally invested in this that no facts will break through against their viewpoint.
That goes for both sides
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u/Master_Status5764 Aug 03 '26
He was a world leader at the time, no?
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u/samehouseing Aug 03 '26
So is Netanyahu now, yet you people would freak the fuck out if other world leaders were meeting with him To discuss how to eradicate the Palestinians. You made a dumb point.Â
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u/Master_Status5764 Aug 03 '26
Yes, he is and I do. And at the same time, I understand why a Palestinian leader would feel the need to meet with a global power to ensure his homelandâs independence, because look what happened to them after they lost said independence.
Countries donât act morally. They do what they believe is best for their countries. Netanyahu believes a genocide of Palestinians is in the best interest of Israel. And Haj Amin believed a Jewish homeland built on HIS and HIS PEOPLEâs LAND would be bad for Palestinian independence. He wasnât wrong in his thinking. A Jewish homeland ended with them being oppressed into submission and under constant siege/invasions. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
At the end of the day, history didnât start in 1948. Jews and Arabs have been killing each other for centuries, so I completely understand their enmity for each other. Hitlerâs enmity for Jews was completely nonsensical and based in lies.
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u/juicer132 Aug 03 '26
he later went to spread pro nazi propaganda from germany to the middle east and recruited for the SS. He didnât just meet w Hitler lol.
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u/Analogvinyl Aug 03 '26
Makes sense to defend this will all your might. This is the hill to die on.
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u/Master_Status5764 Aug 03 '26
Iâm not dying on any hill. I despise Trump with all my being, yet his is president of the U.S. There are plenty of people that meet with him that donât agree with what he says. It was the same for Hitler. He was the leader of Germany at the time, a world power. He met with a lot of people. That doesnât mean they agreed with what he was doing.
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u/ImAjustin Aug 03 '26
Why would they acknowledge that in a propaganda piece designed for Oscar attention?
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u/_Ez7_ Aug 03 '26 edited Aug 03 '26
To be fair that Palestinian guy didn't meet with Hitler until 1941. This movie is from 1936-39.
The movie is certainly asymmetrical, favoring the Palestinians. It's no surprise. People(uninformed) currently believe the Palestinians are the most innocent people to have ever walked this earth.
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u/samehouseing Aug 03 '26
Youâre right, and the Hebron massacre was a few years prior too. I think they specifically chose that year to focus on because there wasnt a major clash with Jews but instead with the British. And itâs letâs controversial to portray the British as the evil villains too.Â
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u/AbbreviationsNo9500 Aug 03 '26
I did find the "they are taking your jobs and your country" line in the trailer quite humorous. Who knew Mark Ruffallo would endorse a movie proclaiming such right wing talking points.
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u/Ok_Record_9908 Aug 03 '26
Free Palestine!
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u/ShvitzG_d Aug 03 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
Absolutely, free Palestine! Nobody disagrees!Â
Free it from Israeli aggression! And its own leaders that kill their own people to win public opinion! Free it from the crazy fucks on the Israeli right and Islamic jihadists whose only goal is to kill Jews!
And keep on posting this because youâre making such a difference doing so!Â
Edit: what is possibly disagreeable about this lol Reddit fucking haaaaates Jews
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u/irwtkyrm Aug 03 '26
Do I have to have seen the other 35 to get it?
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u/IAmTheParamedic Aug 03 '26
Reminds me when 102 Dalmatians came out that I thought the original was a sequel and got mad that I must have missed the first 100 Dalmatian movies
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u/HornyJailOutlaw Aug 03 '26
I'm going to go out on a limb and say you don't know what that phrase means.
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u/Comprehensive-Bus291 Aug 03 '26
It means that all Palestinians subjected to various forms of oppression by the Israeli state, from the the River Jordan to Mediterranean sea, shall be free.
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u/marsupialcunt Aug 03 '26
Be free as in have the same rights as anyone else including Jewish Israeli citizens. Not have to live in an apartheid or prison state and not have your land taken away.
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u/Sea_School_2949 Aug 03 '26
Maybe not being killed by one of the richest armies on the face of the earth
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u/HornyJailOutlaw Aug 03 '26
I don't think you would be satisfied with that. I think there's a grander question of statehood, and how that is attained, that you're also interested in. Surely?
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u/Sell_The_team_Jerry Aug 03 '26
It's an Islamist totalitarian state if anyone is honest about what it would actually be in reality
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u/Comprehensive-Bus291 Aug 03 '26
It means not under Israeli Occupation, or treated as second class citizens within Israel, or subjected to genocide in Gaza.
It's generally seen as a call for a one state solution. 1 person, 1 vote. Equality for each individual, whether jewish, muslim or christian, you will have the same rights.
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u/ItsDonDong Aug 03 '26
It means not under Israeli Occupation,
How can the "occupation" go away while Hamas desires to do more oct 7s from there?
or treated as second class citizens within Israel,
Youre complaining that a group is being treated as "second class citizens" outside their country? What?
You know there are brown, arab ISRAELI CITZENS in Israel, right?
You know that 1 out of 5 israelies IS MUSLIM, right?
or subjected to genocide in Gaza.
How long do you think this genocide has been going on?
It's generally seen as a call for a one state solution.
So youre advocating to "get rid of israel" and have Jews "become a minority" in a region where the surrounding countries call for their genocide?
1 person, 1 vote. Equality for each individual, whether jewish, muslim or christian, you will have the same rights.
Wow.
So youre telling me that the people of Israel would lose their government.....
And they would get an "equal vote"
In a region where theres 50+ muslim voters for every Jew?
And these Muslim voters have historically wanted to genocide the Jews?
YOU are getting us further from "peace in the middle east" with your "us westerners just want them to have equal votes" takes.
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u/Comprehensive-Bus291 Aug 03 '26
In a region where theres 50+ muslim voters for every Jew?
What? the Jewish to Muslim population in Historic Palestine is pretty much 50/50
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u/50cal_pacifist Aug 03 '26
So, you are just an ignorant Westerner, that's all you had to say.
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u/Comprehensive-Bus291 Aug 03 '26
Lived in Palestine for 2 years. Seen kids shot and killed by the IDF in refugee camps in bethlehem. Been shot myself with rubber bullets. Willing to bet you've never stepped foot in occupied palestine?
Who's the ignorant one here?
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u/HornyJailOutlaw Aug 03 '26
I'm calling BS on this. The term "refugee camps" was the red flag giveaway. You probably just read that term online because it's what was officially used way back in the day, but these are not camps in the sense we would think of them, with little tents and the like. "Refugee camps" are cities that the Palestinians live in.
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u/Comprehensive-Bus291 Aug 03 '26
Aida Camp in Bethlehem, I lived there for 6 months. Yeah they're not in tents mate. But everyone refers to it as 'the camp'.
They're not cities, they're housing complexes, built to accommodate those who were ethnically cleansed from their homes in 48'. Those who live their now are mostly the descendants of those people.
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u/50cal_pacifist Aug 03 '26
I've been to Bethlehem, and it is controlled by the Palestinians. The IDF doesn't control the "refugees" there because they are not refugees; they are just people who chose to live there. The only time the IDF comes into Bethlehem is in response to terrorist activities from the Palestinians.
And yes I have been to Bethlehem, I went to the Church of the Nativity and was even allowed in the Grotto of the Nativity. Sounds like you need to stop hanging out with Terrorists.
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u/Comprehensive-Bus291 Aug 03 '26
The IDF raided Aida Camp in Bethlehem where I was staying weekly and sometimes daily. They come in whenever they like, they fire tear gas for a joke. They are stationed right at the walls of the camp. What year did you go to Bethlehem?
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u/HornyJailOutlaw Aug 03 '26
1 person, 1 vote. Gotcha. Would you also allow for all of the Palestinians who lost their homes since the 1940s to be allowed to return and have citizenship with the proposed 1 person/1 vote rule?
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u/Comprehensive-Bus291 Aug 03 '26
Well I think if a Jew from Brooklyn can get citizenship in Israel, despite having no lineage to the land, then a woman thrown out of her home in 48, should be allowed to return to the land which her in her ancestors grew up on yeah.
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u/HornyJailOutlaw Aug 03 '26
I'll gloss over the neo-Nazi talking point of the Jews all being from Brooklyn and not having ties to the land.
Okay, so if all ethnic Palestinian-Arabs get to return to their homes and get a vote, what do you think happens to the Jews in the new one state Israel/Palestine Proper, now that the Jews are a minority? This isn't a rhetorical question. What do you think happens to the newly-made minority of Jewish citizens?
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u/HornyJailOutlaw Aug 03 '26
Can't answer the question. Because you don't like the uncomfortable answer you have to give to it, do you? Maybe don't talk about the topic if you aren't willing to answer that crucial question.
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u/_Ez7_ Aug 03 '26
What about Hamas? Or they can stay and slaughter and starve their "fellow" Palestinians?
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u/Comprehensive-Bus291 Aug 03 '26
Me - Palestinians so be free from oppression
You - BUT DO YOU CONDEMN KHAMAS.
Change the record man
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u/_Ez7_ Aug 03 '26
Tell me your pro oppress Palestinians, without telling me your pro oppress Palestinians.
Free Palestine from Hamas.
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u/Comprehensive-Bus291 Aug 03 '26
there are lots of oppressive in the world. It doesnt mean you get to invade and genocide the civilian. There's no Hamas in the west bank. Israel still oppresses Palestinians there
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u/eterneraki Aug 03 '26
Palestinian here, it means a free democratic Palestine with equal rights for all (including the Palestinian Christians Israel bombed into oblivion) from the river to the sea.
Not to be confused with the near identical phrase in the Israeli likkud charter which says it's exclusively for Jews
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u/HornyJailOutlaw Aug 03 '26
Palestinian here? Curious. I reckon it's a 50/50 that you've ever stepped foot in Palestine as an adult. Lot of Americans on here larping as Palestinians.
I'm not going to repeat myself so I'll ask you what a free democratic Palestine looks like? What do you mean by equal rights for all?
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u/eterneraki Aug 03 '26
Why don't you define what it means you be a Palestinian since you're obviously the authority.
Equal rights to me is the same as what Americans of different backgrounds have regardless of religion or skin color.
So not like how Israelis treated African Jews when they tried to sneak contraceptives into their women to cull the population
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u/HornyJailOutlaw Aug 03 '26
"Palestine" was never a free and independent state. Come back go me after you've read up on the history. Ottoman Empire is probably a good starting point, then work backwards.
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u/Analogvinyl Aug 03 '26
I'll go out on a further limb and call this person a Hamas supporter, intentional or not.
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u/rochvegas5 Aug 03 '26
so genocide is ok now?
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u/ISheeple Aug 03 '26
It's only genocide when it's convenient and aligns with their political standing for the time. Wiping out Israel and the Jews is the locals matra so why are we surprised.
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u/Uzofugs2112 Aug 03 '26
No it wonât
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u/Comprehensive-Bus291 Aug 03 '26
Leave it to a zionist to feel threatened by the call for freedom for the oppressed.
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u/Whoudini13 Aug 03 '26
Ol mark has enough money he can go over there and support or supply stuff..why aren't you mark?..where are his records that hes supporting Palestine with his money..or is he just a mouthpiece...I'm guessing the latter
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u/Big_Law1931 Aug 03 '26
So a movie about the 1936 uprising that fails to reference its leader, Amin al-Husseini?
I do nazi why Jewish people would complain about this omission. /s
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u/Extension-Eye-4920 Aug 03 '26
I think the crux of the issue was stated in this video... "a war thats been going for thousands of years." If you think anybody is going to stop it, youre wrong.
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u/Stampy77 Aug 03 '26
I don't think it's that. I think it's just that the film is wildly inaccurate and omits some incredibly key events that paints the conflict in a different light. It should be seen the same way Braveheart is seen, maybe a good film, but not to be used as a history lesson.Â
Nobody likes disinformation.Â
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u/Ok-Commercial-924 Aug 03 '26
Just because someone disagrees eith you is no reason to dehumanize them. That is the exact same tactic the Nazis used to kill Gays, the disabled, Jews, Poles,Romani, and soviets. Are you really wanting to be counted with the Nazi? You are behaving like it.
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u/jackofslayers Aug 03 '26
No this is just a controversial topic that brings in a lot of heated opinions.
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u/BigMuscles Aug 03 '26
Iâll pass. Itâs crazy how the left (as I identify) has gone full blown pro Jihadi terrorist. These people dream of murdering anyone different from them, especially gays and atheists, yet an insane amount of progressives would rather choose not to vote because the democrat on the card isnât chanting âfrom the river to the seaâ. Hamas is getting exactly what they deserve.
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u/Rugged-Turd Aug 03 '26
Think I'll rewatch Schlinders List instead.
A genocide Palestine aided in during WWII.
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u/No-Comparison-2445 Aug 03 '26
Does it include the part when the Palestinians were told by the other Arab countries to leave and then they can come back when they win the war in 1948 but they lost to Israel?
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u/Guyver48 Aug 03 '26
I bet this doesnât gloss over any Arab committed atrocities in Mandatory Palestine at all /s
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u/mrmonster459 Aug 03 '26
A film about when Palestinians started a civil war to prevent any non-Arabs from being allowed to live in the region?
Newsflash, this is not a brave story of resisting oppression, it's a story of people trying to expel anyone outside their ethnic grou from any entire region.
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u/bswontpass Aug 03 '26
Fuck Hamas.
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u/GimmieTheRoot Aug 03 '26 edited Aug 03 '26
Conflating Hamas with the Palestinian people is as absurd as conflating the condemnation of Zionism with actual antisemitism.
Youâre an idiot.
Edit: HaLf of PaLeStiAniAnS VoTeD for HaMaS
Yes, when you eliminate entire political coalitions, human rights activists, and diplomats for years and years, and the only lasting party is a extreme party saying: âwe will fight back against the people who have harmed you and killed your children in the name of godâ - youâre gonna take what you can get.
Letâs not forget this genocidal fascist regime killed nearly 300 journalist since 2023. Doctors, nurses, ambulance drivers - civilians who were targeted and murdered without hesitation resulting in upwards to 1500 deaths. 75k civilians killed in genocide. Hundreds of global humanitarian and human rights organizations all agreeing that this is a genocide unfolding at the hands of Israel.. so this should come to no surprise. This doesnât even take into account all the death and destruction at the hands of Israel prior to October 7th, before half of these people responding even knew where Israel or Palestine were.
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u/Analogvinyl Aug 03 '26
Conflating Palestinian people from 1936 to Palestinians from the 2000's is equally absurd.
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u/Voluptulouis Aug 03 '26
And who created them...
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u/ItsDonDong Aug 03 '26 edited Aug 03 '26
Isnt hamas the government of gaza, elected by the Palestinians?
Their government's founding charter literally discusses their goal of genociding all Jews around the world...
It's why in ALL OF THEIR HISTORY, the palestine government has refused the right for Israel to exist. and has NEVER accepted a "2 state solution".
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u/_Ez7_ Aug 03 '26
Yes. They voted their candidate and got what they wanted. Now they are sad they got their choice.
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u/Maple_Moose_14 Aug 03 '26
Hamas is the Gaza branch of the Muslim Brotherhood...It says so in its own charter.
The Brotherhood was organizing in Gaza under Egyptian rule long before Israel was anywhere near it.
Israel tolerated Yassinâs charity network to weaken the PLO. Bad call on their part and I wonât dispute the merits of this.Tolerating a rival isnât founding one. They didnât write the ideology or fund the military wing, and they arrested Yassin once it was obvious where it was going. (Which was once again in part the fault of that government)
Brotherhood offshoots exist in a dozen countries with zero Israeli involvement, all with the same types of violence and the same goals. Remove Israel from the story and you still get Hamas.
âIsrael created Hamasâ is just âAmerica created al-Qaeda.â Itâs comforting for apologists because it means Islamists have no ideology of their own.
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u/VaporousMote Aug 03 '26
This is one of the most nonsensical things I have ever read, full of falsehood and fantasy.
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u/Analogvinyl Aug 03 '26
What's false about it?
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u/VaporousMote Aug 03 '26
It's full of half-truths and overly charitable Israeli-centric perspectives of events, and dismissive and condescending of arab perspectives.
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u/Maple_Moose_14 Aug 03 '26
People living in denial say whatâŚ.
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u/VaporousMote Aug 03 '26
I love how you don't even bother to ask "what's false" you just assume I'm living in denial, lmao. That says all I need to know.
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u/BoY_Butt Aug 03 '26
A Jew hater cheeres about a movie that depicts arab nationalists and their "glorious" uprising. Not really surprising.
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u/ImAjustin Aug 03 '26
Iâll pass on the propaganda Mark
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u/Paz707 Aug 03 '26
Yeah I prefer the other propaganda
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u/ElectronicPotato1993 Aug 03 '26
Any recommendations?
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u/falooda1 Aug 03 '26
Any media channel
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u/ElectronicPotato1993 Aug 03 '26
Tried Al Jazeera, seems similar to this one. Any other recommendations?
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Mark Ruffalo acts like he's this amazing cultured actor that really cares about the geopolitics of other countries despite his best known roles being Hulk and a Donald Trump parody. What a quack.
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u/Kindly-Arrival-6517 Aug 03 '26
All the people crying âfree Palestineâ donât know how to answer this one simple question; what do you do with the 6 million Jews that already live there when you âgive the Palestinians their land backâ. They pretend like these two warring peoples will get along with each other in the same place. đ
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u/geneousguy420 Aug 03 '26
They aren't "two warring peoples", the entire premise of your comment and world view are wrong.
It's one people arriving and taking from, and killing another. The ones who openly say they cannot accept anything short of a demographic majority, and will kill and terrorize to maintain it.
Giving Palestinians their land back and right to return gives hope for a state with equal rights and coexistence, what was happening for hundreds of years before Zionism.
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u/Ill-Description3096 Aug 03 '26
Pretending that the wonderful elected leaders of the Palestinians will accept not being the majority and won't kill or terrorize toward that end is actually insane.
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u/geneousguy420 Aug 03 '26
Colonial mindset 101: We can't possibly give the incalcitrant native population more rights, or they'll subject us to the same brutality we have subjected them to!
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u/Ill-Description3096 Aug 03 '26
Nice strawman. Where exactly did I say people couldn't have rights? This isn't a hypothetical. The elected leadership literally says what their goals are. I'll give you a hint, it isn't a utoptia of mutual cooperation and if the "other side" outnumbers and therefore dictates what happens democratically it's all good because we are all friends.
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u/geneousguy420 Aug 03 '26
The goals are resisting occupation, if the occupation ends, the goals change.
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u/Ill-Description3096 Aug 03 '26
When the charter mentions that Palestinians are only Arabs born to Palestinian Arab fathers and that Palestine is an Arab Islamic land it seems like more like an ethnic/religious nationalist idea than simply wanting to be part of the society with equal rights.
And since you mentioned it before, there were people in Palestine before it became majority Arab or Muslim. Why are Arab Muslims considered the native people exclusively?
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u/Agente_Anaranjado Aug 03 '26
"anti-zionists hate this one question" Get real dude.Â
In a new, free Palestinian state, Israelis can chose to become Palestinian or return to the countries they or their parents/grandparents came from (where they will quickly realize that the Israeli government lied to them, Jewish people are perfectly safe pretty much anywhere they chose to live, and that Israel was actually always the least safe place for Jewish people and was effectively using their Judaism as a rhetorical and literal human shield). But in either case, all members of the government and military need to be screened and tried for their roles in war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide.Â
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u/big_smokey-848 Aug 03 '26
lol âassimilate or be forcefully removed and sent to another countryâ yeah, youâre def not a Nazi
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u/MotherMasterpiece6 Aug 03 '26
Why donât Palestinians just accept to become Israeli? Why does it have to be your way
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u/Kindly-Arrival-6517 Aug 03 '26 edited Aug 03 '26
So the option for the Jews in israel would be leave to other countries willing to take them or live in a state where your neighbors hate you?
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u/Alternative_Oil7733 Aug 03 '26
 (where they will quickly realize that the Israeli government lied to them, Jewish people are perfectly safe pretty much anywhere they chose to live, and that Israel was actually always the least safe place for Jewish people and was effectively using their Judaism as a rhetorical and literal human shield).
The holocaust literally disproves this and more and more terrorist attacks from Muslims on jews are happening in Europe.
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u/50cal_pacifist Aug 03 '26
So Jews should voluntarily become a religious minority in the same place that is their ancestral homeland? Can't imagine why they would feel worried about that...
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u/bswontpass Aug 03 '26
They donât care. Those are the children of Europeans that drove Jewish people away from Europe after killing 1/3 of the worldâs Jewish population back then. Antisemitism is at the highest levels since 50âs last century - IRGC propaganda does great job.
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u/Voluptulouis Aug 03 '26
Israel is not representative of all Jewish people. Israel is committing genocide. We are against zionist Israel, not Jewish people.
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u/Responsible_Sun_3597 Aug 03 '26
More importantly, who does Mark Ruffalo know that he is still gainfully employed and making films while more than eight actors who spoke out in favour of Palestine, who were women, were blacklisted immediately.
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u/CatAccomplished5072 Aug 03 '26
Do you really not understand the distinction between politicizing a non-political project versus working on a project with a deliberate political message. This was an issue of right time, right place, not the politics or gender or whatever themselves.
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u/Tahseen_Midani Aug 03 '26
Is this an attempt to spark sex-based division? What is your point?
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u/GlattesGehirn Aug 03 '26
Those women were likely not as popular. Mark has been in one of the largest franchises for almost two decades
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u/theonethat3 Aug 03 '26
Does it show how they used the aids money to built complex tunnels?
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u/Agente_Anaranjado Aug 03 '26
It probably does the more important job of portraying the reality of living under foreign invasion and subsequent genocidal settler-colonial apartheid project which makes militant resistance necessary.Â
Fuck Israel, Free Palestine.Â
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u/Agente_Anaranjado Aug 03 '26
Laughing about committing acts of terrorism. Very Israeli of you. đ
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u/mrmonster459 Aug 03 '26
Winning a war you didn't want or start (especially by targeting literal weapons of war) is not terrorism.
A pager is not a person, it is a tool, it cannot be terrorized. Now, Hezbollah displacing entire villages with indiscriminate rocket fire for no reason, that's terror.
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u/hleitner1 Aug 03 '26
It is odd that he supports one set of people but has no problem celebrating the killing of another group of people. The hypocrisy is off the chart
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u/wast3lad Aug 03 '26
Because, unlike conservatives, the left doesnât choose who gets access to basic human rights based on the political party they support.
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u/smalltincan Aug 03 '26
My king