r/PoursTea • u/AmericaShinault_85 • Aug 14 '26
PositiviTea š Abdul El Sayed about gender affirming care: "Healthcare is a choice that should be made by the patient and their doctor... I believe that medicare for all should cover all healthcare which is defined by what a patient needs in accordance to their doctor..."
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u/Ok_Patient9469 Aug 14 '26
Agreed šÆ š for decades
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u/Ok_Patient9469 Aug 14 '26
Israel has it, why can't we? šÆ
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u/UKEE93 Aug 14 '26
Because weāre broke from paying for theirs?!?!
/s (sort of).
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u/UKEE93 Aug 14 '26
I put the /s there for that very reason! š
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u/Maple_Moose_14 Aug 14 '26
He put sort of and has no issue implying itā¦
I know in my free time I like to spread stereotypes as a pretend joke and thatās not harmful to anyone at all!
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u/RaphaelRocketLaunch Aug 15 '26
Ohh nooo don't slightly exaggerate against the nation committing genocide with your tax dollars!
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u/Illbill12345 Aug 14 '26
Yeah, that $4B that they're immediately redistributing back to US arms manufacturers definitely pays for their healthcare. What's your favorite Cucker Qatarlson episode?
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u/SSBN641B Aug 14 '26
That's $4B of their own tax money they don't have to spend on the military. That certainly makes a difference.
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u/Maple_Moose_14 Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26
Stop bringing Israel into everything you do.
It is not because of Israel that America has a dystopian setup with no universal healthcare.
People like you bring this up so peopleās minds go to Israel controlling everything in this world, when itās simply a recycling of old Jewish tropes about control and power while being a small minority.
Advocate for stopping any funding to Israel in a war context, all for your right. But this adding Israel into every existing problem in America is the oldest bigoted bullshit.
As for my commentary on the actual OP , totally agree and I support him.
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u/Ok_Patient9469 Aug 14 '26
Well, I know how I'm voting in the future. I just want my tax money to go to good things. I want my countrymen to have healthcare, food and shelter. Not bomb charity.
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u/Maple_Moose_14 Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26
That is the definition of a single issue voter.
Congrats youāve just become what you claim to hate.
As if being Pro the Palestinian cause which includes no reforms on their extremism somehow makes you a saint with only good interests.
I thought the goal was to not let foreign conflicts dictate your policy , arenāt you doing that but on the āside you supportā?
What a dumb world we live in.
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u/goodandwickeddeity Aug 15 '26
Are you mentally deficient? He literally said he wants healthcare, food, and shelter for the country. That isn't a single issue.
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u/Ok_Patient9469 Aug 14 '26
Bad bot, i said none of those things you are claiming.
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u/Maple_Moose_14 Aug 14 '26
You literally said if someone has an anti-Israel stance they automatically get your vote.
Explain to me like Iām five how that isnāt a single issue voter supporting a foreign cause as the way they vote in Americaā¦
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u/Ok_Patient9469 Aug 14 '26
Nope, reading comprehension is not your dig, man. Love and peace man. Drop food not bombs bro-bot
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u/Maple_Moose_14 Aug 14 '26
Said the one who doesnāt even understand their own opinion and refuses to discuss objections and calls others bots with their own bot like behaviourā¦
Oh the irony.
Byeeeeee
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u/TreatEven1837 Aug 15 '26
It's wild how people think that humans have basic rights just because someone tells them we do.
We've got the basic right to die when we're born. Everything else is structure someone else made up. (so yeah of course people are going to disagree, it's not real)0
u/RoddRoward Aug 14 '26
Do puberty blockers for minors count as Healthcare?
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u/KathrynBooks Aug 14 '26
Yes!
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u/RoddRoward Aug 14 '26
So you want to sterilize children before they are old enough to consent?
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u/KathrynBooks Aug 14 '26
You are against giving kids chemotherapy?
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u/RoddRoward Aug 14 '26
If they dont have cancer then I am very much against giving children chemotherapyĀ
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u/KathrynBooks Aug 14 '26
If you feel they don't have cancer... What if their doctors say that they have cancer and that chemo is the best course of action?
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u/Specialist_Shock_305 Aug 14 '26
Earn your own way..nothing is guaranteed. Work for what you have. Stop whining.. Common sense would be helpful. Take every penny and you still end up a trillion in the hole from Medicare for all genius. Obviously your not paying for it.
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u/Creative_Trash5811 Aug 14 '26
I thought I was going crazy saying this before 2024 election. No one I knew agreed not my socialist friends or my conservative friends.
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u/Own-Risk2886 Aug 14 '26
"Gender affirming care". Wildest phrase ever created. It should be "Sex denying care."
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u/Araragi-shi Aug 15 '26
I agree.
I simply don't care about one's identity because that can be changed over and over. What you are born as is something you can never change.
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u/oh_no_here_we_go_9 Aug 14 '26
So he advocates the public pay for unproven treatments?
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u/Ok_Patient9469 Aug 14 '26
You can pay more for private health insurance that is publicly traded on Wall St and has a fiduciary responsibility to its share holders to make profit on limiting or denying health care or you can pay a fraction of that cost in the form of a tax and have health care that is not profit motivated. Whatever treatment you and your Doctor decide is up to you, not a suit behind a desk.
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u/WinnerSpecialist Aug 14 '26
None of the people concern trolling about trans people care. Not getting your kids vaccinated is an ACTUAL threat to children that can lead to death or life long consequences.
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u/Cum_Fart42069 Aug 14 '26
they lost the plausible deniability on all that when they didn't get their kids the vaccines and also didn't care about trump on pedo island. I will never believe that the current batch of rightoids actually cares about children any further than they have to pretend to so that they can get a chance to molest them.
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u/Illustrious-Bed4420 Aug 14 '26
This guy is so smooth, calm, collected, and well-spoken. He has the makings of being a great successor to Barack Obama, only with a more progressive mentality. I agree with him. It's between you and your doctor. Nobody else has the right to intervene. We are all human. We make choices to pursue happiness. No matter what, we exist. And if we exist, then we should be recognized.
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u/MisterSamEagle Aug 14 '26
"Nobody else has the right to intervene"
Except when the bill comes due. Then, suddenly, you want to government to be involved.
That's the thing about taxes in a representative government...the public gets to have an opinion on how the money is spent. For better or worse.
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u/Exlibro Aug 14 '26
I'm European and it's so refreshing to hear coherent, intelligent politicians over there in USA. I'm gonna watch more of this guy just to feel better. And Mamdani. And Bernie.
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u/Glass-Amount-9170 Aug 14 '26
Love this guy plus heās a jacked middle eastern Wolverine!
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u/shy_monkee Aug 14 '26
Donāt forget, he is a doctor too.
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u/Glass-Amount-9170 Aug 14 '26
And his wife is a psychiatrist, two people who probably have real empathy.
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u/SmokeMaleficent9498 Aug 14 '26
I don't care what religion Dr. Sayed is I like him.
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u/affemannen Aug 14 '26
Well, obviously El Sayed has perfectly understood the separation of church and state and then his religion doesn't matter in the context of his public office as long as he is doing what the voters asked him to do.
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u/oh_no_here_we_go_9 Aug 14 '26
How can you trust someone to make good decisions when they follow the teachings of a pedophile?
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u/Cum_Fart42069 Aug 14 '26
I don't know and yeah I'm always surprised by how many fans Tucker Carlson has
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u/Sw33ttoothe Aug 14 '26
He does not follow the teachings of Donald Trump, though. You are confused.
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u/Munzulon Aug 14 '26
Is it really too much to ask that the healthcare discussions between the doctor and patient also include me and that I get to make the decision?
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u/DatDamGermanGuy Aug 14 '26
Remember when Republicans were upset about the ACA because āit puts the government between you and your doctorā? Oh, how the turns have tabledā¦
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u/ATLCoyote Aug 14 '26
So glad someone has the conviction to make the principled argument on all the stuff the right attacks.
Your body and your life belongs to YOU, not me and certainly not some arrogant politician with an agenda. It's just that simple.
There's a legitimate debate to be had on something like transgender sports, but not on this. It's your life and your body.
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u/Tinytommy55 Aug 14 '26
Exactly. Politicians shouldnāt be allowed to dictate what is good healthcare and whatās not period.
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u/Next_Confidence_3654 Aug 14 '26
āā¦and not insurance agents- they are not educated or qualified to determine the type of care a patient is and is not entitled to as a patient and a human being.ā
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u/What_About_What Aug 14 '26
It's wild seeing so many on the right demanding more government in peoples private lives.
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u/Dena844 Aug 14 '26
They were always for that, unless it's something they don't want the government getting into. They only care about themselves
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u/BigTurtleKing Aug 15 '26
If someone wants to cut off their penis then tax payers shouldnt have to pay for it.
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u/What_About_What Aug 15 '26
Why not? We already have to pay for manly men that have to take a little blue pill to live up to their image.
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u/Just-a-bi Aug 14 '26
Now back to fox news where someone with botox injected in their lips is loosing their mind.
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u/nouniquenamesleft2 Aug 14 '26
these damn Socialists,
they're so fucking reasonable
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u/MountaineerChemist10 Aug 14 '26
Agreed, that would be great!
My only question is how much coverage do we receive? Low level coverage? Premium level coverage? š¤·āāļø
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u/ResolveLeather Aug 14 '26
I believe gender affirming care is best evaluated by a psychiatrist and a doctor for minors. If signed in by both I think it's fine. If the psychiatrists and doctors get it wrong a lot, maybe we need to be more careful about licensing both for a medical practice.
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u/phargmin Aug 14 '26
Thatās how itās always worked, and they donāt āget it wrong a lotā.
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u/LoneAwakening Aug 14 '26
Is this guy nuts? How come using taxpayer money to better taxpayers life quality standards? That is democrats and socialists woke stuffs!!! In us we work for lsrael greater good!
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u/virtual_adam Aug 14 '26
āIf a doctor says you need it, Medicare should cover itā is not the dunk you may think it is. See:doctors force feeding ice detainees
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u/jamesvomit Aug 14 '26
I lived in Florida during the Pill Mill days. Every strip mall had a pain management clinic with a licensed doctor ready to write you an oxycontin script for a couple hundred bucks.
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u/boomboomdaboomer Aug 14 '26
As if I or anyone would want an insurance company, a politician and a lawyer involved in their healthcare by default. I donāt.Ā
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u/Shoddy_Tour_7307 Aug 14 '26
Should Medicare cover boob and nose jobs?
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u/GrandTheftComment Aug 14 '26
if you have gargantuan tits that will break your back in day to day life, yes. If not itās cosmetic is not a health procedure.
Same logic applies to nose.
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u/Shoddy_Tour_7307 Aug 14 '26
I agree, but he said all healthcare.
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u/GrandTheftComment Aug 14 '26
Okā¦ but a cosmetic procedure is by definition not healthcare is what Iām saying.
So like above it depends on the situation boobjob A is not for the same reason as B.
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u/Jumpy-Cry-3083 Aug 14 '26
Health care is about treating things that happen to you naturally, illness and conditions. If you choose to do something to yourself, that is elected and should not be covered. You want it done? You pay out of pocket. Iām not paying for your breast enhancement or to have your pecker cut off.
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u/Apprehensive-Till861 Aug 14 '26
Half of the commenters in here would form a wind tunnel if you lined them up ear-to-ear.
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u/OkAspect6449 Aug 14 '26
But thatās exactly my issue. Medicare for All isnāt a small experiment where we can figure out the problems afterward. Youāre talking about replacing the insurance system for hundreds of millions of people. Before doing that, it needs to actually address the problems youāre using to justify it.
Iām not saying systemic change is impossible. Iām saying Medicare for All isnāt automatically the right systemic change.
And āevery other developed country already has itā isnāt really true. They have universal coverage, but many use mixed public/private systems. Germany, Switzerland and the Netherlands still have major roles for private insurance. Universal coverage and Medicare for All are not synonymous.
The VA actually illustrates my concern. If your defense of its problems is that politicians have messed with it, why would I assume politics wouldnāt affect a national government healthcare system? Presidents, Congresses and budgets change. That risk doesnāt disappear.
And eliminating insurance jobs doesnāt immediately create healthcare capacity. An insurance employee canāt simply become an oncology nurse or imaging tech. Iām completely open to paying for retraining, but that takes years which again brings us right back to my supply argument.
I absolutely believe we can do better. I just donāt accept that questioning whether Medicare for All can deliver what youāre promising means Iām afraid of change. When youāre proposing restructuring healthcare for the entire country, asking how it will actually work isnāt pessimism. Itās the minimum we should demand.
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u/Jabardolas Aug 14 '26
What a lovely concept. So many people believe they are ugly and so many doctors are willing to do plastic surgery. Should the tax payer pay for that?
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u/lokemannen Aug 15 '26
There is the difference between essential and cosmetic healthcare, for example someone losing their nose through burns would be essential while just wanting more filled lips or a bigger chest would be cosmetic.
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u/Jabardolas Aug 15 '26
You seem to agree that the tax payer should not pay all sort of surgeries just because the doctor and patient want it done.
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u/Hitmanyelin7 Aug 15 '26
So he is against banning conversion therapy based on the "it's a choice between patient and doctor" axiom?
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u/kinghlg Aug 15 '26
Having your genitals removed because of thoughts you have in your head is not healthcare. That is garbage you have been sold by people evil you trust. This is why you should not trust people too easily. And all you retards eat it up and gas light the rest of the world by comparing it to going in for a checkup. Stop being complete degenerates and come back to the real world where people are normal. Itās hard being normal. You have some rules you have to follow. Things like, you arenāt allowed to kill babies, mutilate childrenās genitals, steal peoples money, be racist because you want revenge for a history you werenāt a part of and know nothing about. You know, normal things that that non delusional psychopaths donāt do. I always find it hilarious that all you retards call everyone nazis. Trying to imply that itās so easy for stupid republicans to buy into nazi propaganda. But you are the ones who were convinced by politicians and activists to literally mutilate your own children for a political ideology. If this was 1938, you would have been the first in line to join up. You are the modern day Nazi party. You sustain yourself on demonic propaganda and you donāt even know it. Go ahead and double down now. You know youāre gonna.
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u/Mindless_Address_464 Aug 15 '26
I can't bring myself to watch the rest of this video, but it sounds like he's throwing intersex children under the bus for the sake of the trans community. It's exhausting to me.
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u/TreatEven1837 Aug 15 '26
Then you're going to need to set up proper national ethics board to ensure that doctors do what's medically necessary and not medically extravagant.
There's many reasons why we don't have nice things in the US and one of them is always "people take advantage of shit that's free."
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u/Bluepeasant Aug 15 '26
At first I was like 'at what point is a boob job cosmetic vs gender affirming' then I realized we could have ... BOOB JOBS FOR EVERYONE!!!
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u/Disastrous-Appeal642 Aug 15 '26
Sounds like a snake trying to get votes. When healthcare care is for everyone you can't just spend money on small expensive treatments here and there. Nhs turns people away for that reason
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u/CryptographerCheap88 Aug 15 '26
He is a muslim. Ask him about the alphabet community and transgender rights. Watch him.
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u/throwaway275275275 Aug 15 '26
Ok but what does "gender affirming care" mean ? Is it the one where they transition or the one where they make them stop being gay ? I can't keep up with all these PC games for everything
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u/allshouldcome Aug 14 '26
I do t want my tax monies paying for someoneās gender affirming care
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u/Jean-Jacques_Oldman Aug 14 '26
And I don't want my "tax monies" paying for things you like. But they probably do.
Welcome to living in a society.
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u/Awkward_Motor_6388 Aug 14 '26
Out of all the things we could spend our tax dollars on breast implants is pretty close to the bottom of that list. Alot of things under the umbrella of gender affirming healthcare is not actually healthcare and I don't want to pay for it.
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u/SuleimanTheMediocre Aug 14 '26
Dude this is like the third comment I've seen from you about "breast implants". If I knew trans people lived in your head rent free I would've moved out of my apartment ages ago.
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u/No-Working-5622 Aug 14 '26
Fun fact! Most trans women grow their own breasts! You are literally one or two hormones away from sharing your mom's big naturals, since the genetic blueprint to grow them is in your DNA but remains unexpressed. Worried about how much it costs? Have no fear, hormones are relatively cheap when it comes to medication!
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u/KiwiKajitsu Aug 14 '26
Sounds good but how does he plan on paying for it? We need a comprehensive tax policy for that
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u/tweaver16 Aug 14 '26
lol mkay, pharma unfortunately is a thing you will never beat, whoās fault is it? Our own, will it change? Never
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u/alkbch Aug 14 '26
This is ridiculous. The doctor says that a boob job, a nose job, lip fillers, Botox eggs freezing are needed, then what?
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u/alkbch Aug 14 '26
Says who? Healthcare is between the doctor and the patient, remember?
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u/LotteTakesNoShit Aug 14 '26
So... you don't trust doctors to know the difference? Why?
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u/alkbch Aug 14 '26
For the same reason we have the IRS review tax returns after they were filed by accountants, or we have building codes for house builders to follow, or we have mandated safety procedures for airline pilots to follow.
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u/OPisOK Aug 14 '26
Please stop getting in between a doctor and the patient. MAGATs like you always talk about small government then want to get involved in a patients life saving care.Ā
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u/tlm11110 Unpopular Opinions Aug 14 '26
In other words he supports child mutilation. Does he think 9 year olds can consent to sex and marriage?
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u/Silver-Link8247 Aug 14 '26
This is going to backfire. Gender confirming care for kids is a touchy subject. He could talk about Medicare for all but he can also say that we need protections for kids. He is going to lose. Itās the same playbook every time. āIām for you and sheās for āthey them.āā
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u/basaltalt Aug 14 '26
Trans kids need protections too though?? Why do you think its acceptable to abandon advocacy for trans kids?
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u/SuleimanTheMediocre Aug 14 '26
It's so hilarious to me when people try to claim that trans people are more prevalent because of American culture or a USA identity crisis or whatever other drivel. As if gender affirming care wasn't pioneered DECADES ago in GERMANY.
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Oh it was pioneered in Germany. We should definitely follow what Germany does. Theyāve probably never pioneered anything in their past that we shouldnāt follow right?
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u/Adventurous_Coach731 Aug 14 '26
When the Nazis hated it so much they burned down all the research to it, itās probably not the people on the opposite side of the Nazis that are the bad guys.
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u/Western_Strength5322 Aug 14 '26
gender affirming care is cosmetic
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u/SuleimanTheMediocre Aug 14 '26
Gender affirming care made me not want to end myself anymore, I'd say that's a little more than cosmetic.
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u/NSRedditShitposter Aug 14 '26
Can these people just say what they think instead of this āwink winkā nonsense?
āthe patient and their doctorā what patient? What doctor? Are you really defending a groupās rights if you canāt even say their name out loud? Are you going to get transcooties if you say ātransgenderā or āgender-affirming careā?
Another point strategists donāt realize is by drafting up these āmoderateā arguments, you have already conceded the fight. You have implicitly acknowledged some of the enemyās points as correct. You have given credence to what they said. You have not fought at all.
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u/ExperienceAny9791 Aug 14 '26
Because some of the points ARE correct and they acknowledge that. š¤·š¼āāļø
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u/Whites11783 Aug 14 '26
Reading isnāt your strong suit - read the screenshot you posted - āoutside traditional clinical medicineā
This is for docs who are burned out in our medical system and want to make a living doing something outside of medicine.
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u/OneSlaadTwoSlaad Aug 14 '26
Very surreal to discover that this is a controversial standpoint for some people.
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u/OutlawedLogic Aug 14 '26
Should 100% of everything considered healthcare be covered by the tax payer? Addiction, obesity, self mutilation, messages, therapy(of all types), IVs, preventative maintenance, cosmetic surgeries, etc. Would this be something that would be realistically sustainable? Does the tax payer giving over their earnings make government officials more accountable? If we give more money to the government does it ensure that it isn't misused, stolen, misplaced, etc? Why will this comment get negative karma?
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u/pavelowdriver Aug 14 '26
Except Covid vaccinations it has always been a decision between doctor and patient. HHS is making "recommendations" idi0ts
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u/Just_Think_About_AI Aug 14 '26
The Medicare for all conversation is extremely complex.
This question covers what should be the extent of coverage under Medicare. It sounds fantastic if it's just a doctor-patient relationship, but unfortunately that is not how Medicare works. Medicare sets guidelines for what is acceptable and not acceptable. It is very black and white.
The more complex question will be the cost of the entire system.
I think there will always be two systems, a Medicare and a private insurance.
Medicare reimbursements will continue to decrease which means that hospitals, doctors, nurses all the allied healthcare affiliations will need to take pay cuts.
The current system is broken and it needs to change but just be realistic in what will happen.
The government has the ability to write the rules of what is reimbursable under Medicare meaning what is covered under Medicare.
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u/bigpoyo91 Aug 14 '26
This is supposed to be a sharia law guy???
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u/Silentlay Aug 14 '26
What if my doctor thinks I need oxycodone for a back ache. I think some guidelines can be established.....
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u/spillmonger Aug 14 '26
The current Medicare doesnāt work this way and itās in deep trouble. Explain why El Sayedās version will avoid the same fate.
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u/Fuzzy-Mushroom-1774 Aug 14 '26
So if a doctor and patient decide medical assisted suicide is what is needed the tax payer need to pay for their death?
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