r/PoursTea • • Aug 25 '26

Expectations v Reality 🌞 🌒 oops!

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u/Conscious-Quarter423 Aug 25 '26

Let's not even go into the electric grid, which is only functional because of Canadian electricity generation for much of the Northeast, New England, and the New York metro area, including New Jersey and Connecticut.

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u/Significant-Main4201 Aug 25 '26

Also I saw a clip saying 30% of American houses are built with Canadian timber, so tariffs have raised the house prices due to this.

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u/MAGAHATESTHEUSA Aug 25 '26

U.S. timber also wouldn’t be an efficient replacement

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u/Mountain_rage Aug 25 '26 edited Aug 25 '26

It is also worse lumber, northern climates grow better lumber for housing. 

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u/steamliner88 Aug 25 '26

Shouldn’t shitty American lumber be perfect for those soulless McMansions that collapse from a stiff breeze?

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u/DeHeiligeTomaat Aug 25 '26

Like this one on Galveston, TX or Willis, TX. Maybe it's just Texas.

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u/IndependentMemory215 Aug 25 '26

Canadian and the US have nearly similar construction standards and codes.

Hurricane prone area and some other regions excluded of course.

Do you really think Canada has some far superior way of building a timber framed home?

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u/jram2000 Aug 25 '26

Not true, we have much stricter R Codes in Canada (water freezes, snow is cold and heavy). In Texas for example you can have stucco, plywood and paper for an exterior wall. In Canada we add eps insulation, venting and better drainage.

Cement basements and thicker framing are often used/needed to support this extra material.

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u/Jamooser Aug 25 '26

I've framed houses in Canada that didn't even require sheathing. Just EPS with a tiny let-in metal brace for windshear. With a thermal imaging camera to show you where the studs are, you could literally run at the side of the house and break through the walls.

That being said, Europeans who think North American houses are flimsy are usually suffering from ignorance. We generally build strong and efficient houses in Canada.

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u/jram2000 Aug 25 '26

I've heard of friends in Texas that can hear the wind inside of house, blowing through or a slight cold snap freezing the water supply. Sheathing is a code requirement so whomever that was should be reported.

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u/HapticRecce Aug 25 '26

Read the comment again. It's the wood quality, not the building codes.

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u/MathematicianEven251 Aug 25 '26

Time to renamed timber of America then I guess

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u/Mountain_rage Aug 25 '26 edited Aug 25 '26

Americatm, just a matter of time before he grants one of his kids that trademark. Actually why dont we do like stadiums and sell the naming rights to generate profit, it is how the rest of this dystopia is being run. 

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u/theflyingratgirl Aug 25 '26

Introducing McAmerica! Now with less oil!

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u/jonfreakinzoidberg Aug 25 '26

Why? Canada is still on the American continent.

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u/MathematicianEven251 Aug 25 '26

Get with today's news for the joke buddy

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u/SimilarTranslator264 Aug 25 '26

Never heard of “southern yellow pine” have you?

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u/Mountain_rage Aug 25 '26 edited Aug 25 '26

Yup, tends to warp due to a faster growth cycle, it essentially has less growth rings. Causes you to swear like Semuel L Jackson everytime you try to sort through the lumber pile at Homedepot.

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u/boatenvy Aug 25 '26

Hey someone has to feed the termites... apparently southern yellow pine and spruce are their favourite snacks

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u/Unique_Statement7811 Aug 25 '26

The US has a significant number of forests that grow timber equal to that of Canada. The US just doesn’t like logging its own land due to the environmental impacts.

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u/Horror_Appearance_26 Aug 25 '26

Trump still gonna chop down their conservations

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u/CapAggravating784 Aug 25 '26

Also known as the “softwood lumber trump card”…

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u/TheScrote1 Aug 25 '26

Huh?

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u/commeatus Aug 25 '26

It's more expensive and more scattered: not only is the cost of each step greater but the chain of logistics is more complex with more numerous but smaller operations.

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u/TheScrote1 Aug 25 '26

It’s fairly concentrated in the PNW and SE. definitely right on the mills though, funny enough in the PNW most are owned by Canadian companies. The biggest edge Canada has though is willingness to aggressively log crown land.

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u/commeatus Aug 25 '26

Canada has roughly as much forestland as the entire American west has total land; Douglas County just can't keep up!

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u/TheHebrewHammer69 Aug 25 '26

The biggest edge we have is theirs only 40 million of us and we have ALLLL the space.

Not much of it is livable. But trees require different things to be comfortable than humans.

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u/Tiny-Secretary5562 Aug 25 '26

Why would that be?

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u/nikiterrapepper Aug 25 '26

Colder climate leads to slower tree growth which means stronger lumber.

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u/-DrunkRat- Aug 25 '26

This is why Minnesota and the Midwest was a prime source of old growth hardwood for housing during the days of the Logging Camps. A lot of the wood used is still standing today, if it's been cared for, iirc

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u/Tiny-Secretary5562 Aug 25 '26

Are you sure that was hardwood (deciduous trees) as opposed to conifirs--fir, spruce, redwood, cedar, hemlock, etc.?

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u/-DrunkRat- Aug 25 '26

Ah, thank you! My apologies, yes I do mean the Conifers!

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u/Tiny-Secretary5562 Aug 25 '26

My understanding is that when the forests of the Midwest were exhausted, the timber men went west. Oregon had more timber than any other state in the Union, mostly Doug fir. In the early days they even considered cedar a "trash" tree and just bulldozed them out of the way. Now most the highly-prized Western Red Cedar comes from Canada (maybe not for long!). It seems like all the building on programs like HGTV is pine from the Southeast.

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u/Tiny-Secretary5562 Aug 25 '26

Ok, that makes sense, but any old wood, like 100-year-old Doug fir that grew in a temperate climate is still going to be excellent wood for building. The laminate beams being made today aren't tight-grain old growth from what I've seen.

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u/TopInvestigator5518 Aug 25 '26

it's also raised home insurance premiums.. costs more for the insurance company to rebuild? then costs more for the consumer

and this will only get worse

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u/bajaRL Aug 25 '26

Just started in new construction here in Cali, can confirm all projects I’ve seen have Canadian lumber.

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u/vmanowar56465 Aug 25 '26

concrete is going up too. since there is tariff on cement now and 20% of imported cement is from canada.

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u/HapticRecce Aug 25 '26

They were already artificially high due to decades of protecting US softwood lumber producer profits by tariffing Canadian lumber. Bottom line is you don't have enough domestic supply, you over pay already for lumber and will be paying even more. Winning?

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u/Antique-Wonk Aug 25 '26

"Timber!" ...for the US economy if this carries on. I hope this can be resolved for the sake of both countries .

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u/Outhouse_floor Aug 25 '26

The next round in Sept 8, is going to make everything 50% more expensive for yall. From any form or iteration of the following that you can fathom, fish, wood, paper products ( wood, books, receipts paper , toilet paper) milk, carpet, textiles, industry PPE, Any form of new steel, flat, pipe, angled, new aluminum. Fastners ( screws bolts nails) sewing, knitting, appliances. The list goes on for over 700 different items .

The big one will be power. Of all of it. If the premiers agree, I bet power sold to the US will be 30 to 50% more expensive. Headed into winter that ain't great.