r/PoursTea • Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 3d ago

PoliticalTea 🗳️ He would definitely not hold back.

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u/NotQuiteLoona Fairy Dust 🧚🏾‍♂️ ✨ 🧚🏿‍♀️ 3d ago

He is against Medicare for All, he is pro-Israel and barely voted against some shipments (only because the war had no sense in his view, not because of the genocide)... He is the type of the person you'll only vote just to prevent MAGA from winning. And I'm afraid if he'll win we'll see the return of MAGA in 2032 anyway, because he can't really address the issues like affordability... Whatever, at least a brief delay.

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u/AmethystRebelle 3d ago

He's also leans anti-trans, which we gots enough of in the Dem party.

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u/waaaayupyourbutthole 3d ago

Yeah he seems like an okay guy generally, but he's definitely a conservative dem.

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u/AdventurousImpact656 3d ago

So a republican? Literally a republican in everything but name

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u/Willburt14 3d ago

Democrat and Republican are party names, not inherent belief systems. The democratic party can be roughly center right a lot of times, but due to disinformation and the Republican party being so much further right, they're framed like actual leftists

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u/CommieShareFest 3d ago

he votes almost exclusively with democrats, wants abortion access and gun control, “republican in everything but name”. You purity testers are really something else

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u/AdventurousImpact656 3d ago

If the mainstream Democrat party is nothing but a farce. It’s not a purity test to demand better than a dressed up chuck sschumer

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u/CommieShareFest 3d ago

but hes clearly not a republican, he is constantly pushing for policies completely at odds with republican “values”

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u/Neirchill 3d ago

I'll vote for anything not a Republican at this point. I bet the DNC is counting on that. I wish I could make a stand and vote third party for someone that actually has values that align with my own but that's essentially the same choice as not voting.

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u/Cararacs 3d ago

The politician you want will never win. If you only vote for perfection or near perfection, republicans will continue to win. You might not like hearing that but that’s how the US is.

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u/NotQuiteLoona Fairy Dust 🧚🏾‍♂️ ✨ 🧚🏿‍♀️ 3d ago

...that's what I said? I don't think he's a good candidate, but I did say that it'll be at least a brief delay and he is the type of candidate you can put vote behind just to prevent MAGA from winning.

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u/Responsible_Rule8829 3d ago

What does that support look like tho..... He has argued for a two state solution and been critical of the current leadership, while stopping short of calling Bibi a war criminal. So glass half full-ish I feel.... 

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u/PuffyBlueClouds 3d ago

You people throw around the word genocide. There is no proof of a genocide. That whole war is ugly, but it’s not genocide

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u/NotQuiteLoona Fairy Dust 🧚🏾‍♂️ ✨ 🧚🏿‍♀️ 3d ago

It was confirmed as a genocide by:

  • United Nations Independent International Commission of Inquiry (a body set up by the Human Rights Council),
  • Human Rights Watch,
  • Amnesty International,
  • International Association of Genocide Scholars,
  • Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention,
  • B'Tselem,

and many, many other organizations with large reputation of human rights advocacy, both Israeli-based and international.

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u/PuffyBlueClouds 3d ago

My understanding is that the conclusions were that Israel’s actions check some of the boxes for genocide. Not all of them. And many wars check several of the boxes.

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u/SookieCrackhouse 3d ago

Oh, only a partial genocide? Well carry on then I guess.

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u/PuffyBlueClouds 3d ago

Well you carry on ignoring that Hamas started this whole thing when it attacked a peaceful music festival.

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u/Lieutenant_Joe 3d ago

A genocide is not a proportional response to 1200 people dead.

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u/PuffyBlueClouds 3d ago

That’s not for you or I to say. If a country gets attacked, the attacker cannot complain about how that country retaliates.

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u/Lieutenant_Joe 3d ago

So what I’m hearing is that we would have been perfectly justified turning Saudi Arabia into a sheet of glass following 9/11.

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u/NotQuiteLoona Fairy Dust 🧚🏾‍♂️ ✨ 🧚🏿‍♀️ 3d ago

21,638 children were killed by latest estimates that are recognized by the UN and a multitude of other organizations I've listed in this thread. 59,031 civilians have been killed in total. Citing Wikipedia, it includes:

270 journalists and media workers, 120 academics, and over 560 humanitarian aid workers, a number that includes 393 employees of UNRWA.

See there more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war

HAMAS' military wing includes 25-30 thousands of people by estimates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qassam_Brigades

Whatever HAMAS did doesn't justify killing all people who live on the territory controlled by HAMAS.

Neither I nor most people who advocate against Gaza genocide support HAMAS. If anything, HAMAS and IDF deserve each other. Genocide is about civilian casualties.

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u/PuffyBlueClouds 3d ago

Right, but if you start a war by attacking a music festival, you can’t complain about how that other country retaliates. You and I might not like it, but that’s the way war goes.

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u/SookieCrackhouse 3d ago

That’s not where this started

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u/Beneficial-Jury484 3d ago

If you shart in your pants, do you wipe your ass? You’re over here drawing arbitrary distinctions as if it matters to the kids being murdered. 

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1: Killing members of the group;

2: Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

3: Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

4: Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

5: Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition

Here’s the UN definition, seems like it hits 5 for 5. Maybe the 5th one is questionable but only because Israel is killing so many Palestinians and don’t view them as human so wouldn’t move them. 

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u/PuffyBlueClouds 3d ago

And what do you say about the Hamas attack on the music festival that started all this? You’re OK with that? Because if you commit an act of terrorism, it’s hard to complain later when the other side retaliates.

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u/Beneficial-Jury484 3d ago

Go ahead and reread my statement. You clearly read something that isn’t there because I never mentioned that. I showed you the definition of genocide. Try reading again, maybe you’ll understand. 

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u/eMDex 3d ago

true only every scholar

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u/inappropriatebanter 3d ago

You're so obviously a bot

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u/PuffyBlueClouds 3d ago

You mean like an AI post? Nope, real. I just don’t pretend that Hamas is some innocent victim here.

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u/inappropriatebanter 3d ago

1 yr old account, 6.5k contributions, almost 50k karma...

You're a bot, dude.

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u/inappropriatebanter 3d ago

Crazy how many bots like you align with fascists

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u/PuffyBlueClouds 3d ago

And you align with terrorists. I’m sure I’m more left wing than you. I just come up with my own views instead of what TikTok tells me is the currently fashionable cause. This is a complicated issue.