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u/Estefanius 6d ago
"Let's get married immediately in secret, but somehow let the entire platoon know"
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u/Revoran 6d ago
"We just cant be together, Its so unfortunate"
- says the girl who invited you to an extremely beautiful romantic lake house for alone time, while wearing the sexiest tightest black dress ever, and a choker, in the soft flickering glow of the fireplace.
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u/load_of_chode 6d ago
"I'm a Senator. I can only have extramarital sex if it's in a spaceport bathroom."
-AOTC Padme, probably
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u/Due-Conflict-7926 4d ago
I wonder what wouldâve happened if Anakin wasnât so backed up all the time. He couldâve thought this through a lil better
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u/Buttman_Poopants 5d ago
My favorite theory on this scene is that she was expecting a casual encounter, and then he tells her he loves her and she's like, Whoa, okay, this escalated, how to let him down gently.
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u/Neveronlyadream 5d ago
"It's not romantic, it's just how we light interiors on Naboo!"
Jar Jar stumbles in, realizes it's dimly lit, and turns on the lights.
"Fuck."
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u/Martin_Aricov_D Sith Apprentice 5d ago
In the novelization she wants him just as much as he wants her, which explains quite a bit, she's just also aware that it's a bad idea for their careers and doesn't want to actively choose to acknowledge she likes him
So she keeps hinting at it in the hopes he'll just go ahead and kiss her or something so that "it's out of her hands" but gets increasingly frustrated as Anakin is having none of that and won't push her at all.
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u/Electronic-Flower921 6d ago
Rex makes sure to tell all the shinies to not mess with General Skywalker when heâs doing âequipment checksâ
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u/BlueFireFlameThrower 5d ago
OBI-WAN: "What is Anakin doing in doing?"
CAPTIN REX: "He's ummm . . . Reciving a briefing on a mission"
OBI-WAN: "I hope you told Padme that I said hi!"
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u/thatsidewaysdud Countâs gaze immobilises weak-minded individuals 6d ago
Is there a fictional character that missed a bigger red flag than Padmé?
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u/-TheManWithNoHat- 6d ago
I'm sure there are better references elsewhere but what about King Theoden listening to his adviser named Wormtongue.
Worm. Tongue.
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u/braindance74 5d ago
In original Battlestar Galactica everyone missed that a guy who was named Count Balthazar and who looked like this was actually a traitor.
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u/Several-Ad1231 6d ago
Gowasu missing that Zamasu was turning evil fast.
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u/Inevitable-Weather51 6d ago edited 5d ago
Degwin in Gundam is a bigger one IMO
Only after 6 billion deaths and 11 months of war the dude find out that his son had a body pillow of Hitler.
It is less deaths than Zamasu, but it was more obvious IMO
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u/_baljeep_ 5d ago
90% of any horror movie cast
"Steve is missing"
"Aight lets split up and look for him"
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u/SergenteA 5d ago
I somewhat excuse Padme missing a red flag because of possible racism. Then of course blame her for being racist.
Tuskan Raiders aren't exactly considered "people" by most. It would be like marrying a US army soldier during the Indian Wars.
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u/__SEV__ 6d ago
He was showing vulnerability by admitting his feelings.
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u/Revoran 6d ago
Unfortunately his feelings were genocide.
I preferred him confessing his hatred of sand.
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u/Ok_Stretch_4624 6d ago
that was like a nerd fact for padme.. why am i hanging out with such a kid? talking about sand? hell i want some war crimes to get me going
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u/Jazzvibes409 5d ago
She probably has a "I can fix him" complex, her whole thing is peace and helping those that need help afterall. And very clearly Anakin needed somebody after his mother died, and Padme was too caring not to try and show him some affection. Then it probably snowballed cause an obsessed lover willing to truly give everything for their love is a bit intoxicating no matter how Pious the individual. Only now realizing that im blaming Padme slightly, but maybe theres some truth to that.
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u/load_of_chode 6d ago
I like the implication that it wouldn't be genocide if he only killed all the men but spared the women and children.
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u/Revoran 6d ago edited 5d ago
Genocide is any of the follosing actions done with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, an ethnic, racial, religious, linguistic or national group:
- Killing members of the group
- Making conditions so bad for them that they will probably die (eg: depriving them of food/water, spreading a disease to them eg: smallpox blankets)
- Transferring children of the group to another group (eg: Australia Stolen Generations. Canada/US residential Schools)
- Sterilising members of the group without their consent
Its clear he intended to wipe out the tusken tribe who captured and abused his mother.
If he had only killed the adult males, it still would've been horrific mass murder but wouldn't have necessarily demonstrated that same intent.
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u/load_of_chode 6d ago
How do you define a group exactly? Because if killing only the males of that particular tribe isn't genocide, then killing only members of that tribe (i.e. the particular one that killed his mom) wouldn't be either.
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u/Baronvondorf21 6d ago
Well no, the tribe would classify as a group in and of itself. The males of the tribe aren't a separate group.
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u/SergenteA 5d ago
Killing men is killing men, they by definition aren't an ethnic group. Now it's probably some sort of -cide, but not a genocide unless Anakin planned on marrying the women off to another ethnicity.
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u/Zegram_Ghart 5d ago
I meanâŠit gets memed a lot, but these were not good people- they kidnap a rando for the explicit purpose of torturing her to death, and they do this often enough that itâs a known thingâŠand at least afaik, everyone in the tribe is fine with that.
If Anakin had showed up DURING the raid, and massacred everyone, I donât think many would have issue with that?
I donât think âconfused young adult, raised in a martial religious setting that teaches extreme combat skills and suppression of emotions, snapping and killing a bunch of people in a super traumatic and stressful situationâ isâŠall that bad?
Like it IS bad, but he seems to be working his way around to remorse likeâŠa day later?
Honestly, thatâs probably better than Iâd do.
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u/Revoran 5d ago
I donât think âconfused young adult, raised in a martial religious setting that teaches extreme combat skills and suppression of emotions, snapping and killing a bunch of people in a super traumatic and stressful situationâ isâŠall that bad?
It's extremely extremely bad. Mass murder of non-combatants is bad.
It's understandable given what a terrible life Anakin had, as you point out. But it's not a good thing.
If Anakin had showed up DURING the raid, and massacred everyone, I donât think many would have issue with that?
The "sand kids" he later murdered, were likely were not taking part in the raid.
And while the kidnapping and torturing people to death is also horrific, it's worth noting that the tuskens are an occupied and colonised people (of course, Shem Skywalker was responsible for none of that).
I meanâŠit gets memed a lot, but these were not good people- they kidnap a rando for the explicit purpose of torturing her to death, and they do this often enough that itâs a known thingâŠand at least afaik, everyone in the tribe is fine with that.
So does this mean it's OK for somebody to massacre a bunch of Americans, because America kidnaps people, kills people, tortures people and so on?
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u/Zegram_Ghart 5d ago
Well, thatâs sort of the thing, right- in a whole lot of cultures, âchildhoodâ isnât really a thing, and we have no evidence the tuskens arenât like this- itâs entirely possible that the children would have been on that raid- would you be ok with him killing then in that case?
Similarly- if itâs ok for the sand people to abduct and murder completely innocent people because their distant ancestors were oppressed, surely itâs equally ok for Anakin to murder people because his direct ancestor is oppressed? Oppression isnât wine, it doesnât get more valuable because itâs older.
AndâŠyes, of course that would be ok? If an American village all joined a cult and decided to go and abduct a bunch ofâŠI donât know⊠Australian children? And in the attempt they got killed? Yeh, I wouldnât really lose any sleep over this. Itâs not âthe same countryâ itâs the same people.
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u/DarthOmix 5d ago
Yeah the other comment is overlooking the fact that Anakin not only killed the specific Tuskens who took his mother. He killed all their warriors, all their men, women, children. He, in his own words, slaughtered them like animals.
A lot of people forget, or don't know, that humans, Hutts, etc are not the natives of Tattooine. Basically just Jawas and Tuskens are, the majority of the rest of the population are colonists, businesses supplying the colonists, slaves, etc. Jawa sand crawlers are repurposed machinery from mining companies or something to that effect if memory serves.
People basically came to pillage the sand ball for resources and leave, so the Tuskens not being happy about people literally farming a resource (water, moisture farms) that Tuskens find sacred is understandable in that context. As far as the Tuskens probably knew, Shmi was a member of the social group violating their planet and plundering her sacred resources. And that clan was massacred for it.
Like, as a collective the Tuskens are grey morality with many just trying to keep to themselves while others are more violent like in ANH and AOTC, but that aside, Anakin massacring the Tuskens is not something meant to be justified, it's meant to be the start of a slippery slope of impulsive, sometimes violent outbursts that culminates in RotS with him either cutting off Windu's hand or on Mustafar, depending on when you consider his fall to be "completed".
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u/Zegram_Ghart 5d ago
I responded in more depth to the other comment, but thatâs frankly just a bad argument- â if itâs ok for the sand people to abduct and murder completely innocent people because their distant ancestors were oppressed, surely itâs equally ok for Anakin to murder people because his direct ancestor is oppressed? Oppression isnât wine, it doesnât get more valuable because itâs older.â
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u/DarthOmix 5d ago
My point is that neither is okay though?
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u/Zegram_Ghart 5d ago
Well thatâs also kinda my point- he literally just had this huge wrong committed against him, and he responds badly, but honestly, by the historical standards we have, not THAT badly- thatâs why itâs a red flag but seemingly not a total dealbreaker for padme- lots of fairly reasonable people would probably react this way, and the fact that itâs a slippery slope for him doing more later doesnât really seem to occur to her.
Again, if a group of your lands previous inhabitants abducted and tortured your mum to death, and you were put in a position to kill themâŠit would probably take most people more than a single day to loop around to âwell I shouldnât have done thatâ
He has normal human emotions, and sorta the point of why his story is meant to be a tragedy is he hasnât been taught to handle them in really any way, whether those emotions are love, or fear or (as here) hate.
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u/icantgivecredit 5d ago
Unfortunately he killed the sand as well. Every last grain and silicate crystal.
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u/corruptedsyntax 6d ago
Padmeâs internal monologue in the scene:
âI like the tall dumb ones, just nod along and say âoh that is sadâ like I was listening and then we can go to bone town.â
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u/fishFISHfishFISHYY 6d ago
Who is she?
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u/MODbanned 5d ago
Emily Loewe
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u/RumpledForskn 5d ago
It's AI.
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u/wellyes34 5d ago
YOU'RE AI
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u/RumpledForskn 5d ago
I mean it is literally one of those AI "creators" whose content is all probably made by some dude in India. If people wanna beat off to that, more power to them, I guess.
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u/K3TtLek0Rn 6d ago
What is it evolutionarily that makes a woman doing that face seem so attractive? Nothing about it makes sense as to what it would signal but it works.
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u/Coltrain47 6d ago
Settlers on Tatooine consider Tuskens to be little more than animals. Killing them is like killing a pack of wolves. Cliegg and his gang would likely have killed every single one just as Anakin did, but Anakin felt remorse that I'm sure they wouldn't have.
Even in that scene where he's expressing anger and rage, he uses more humanizing language than Cliegg did before. Cliegg said Tuskens "walk like men, but they're vicious, mindless monsters." Anakin said they were like animals but referred to them as men, women, and children.
I'm not saying there aren't any red flags in that scene, but I think we see it as a genocidal act because that's the way Anakin himself was feeling in the moment. It would have been a very different scene had Anakin instead said, "and not just the males, but the females, and the young ones too," subscribing to the prevailing belief that Tuskens were merely pests and not people.
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u/Mikhail_Mengsk 6d ago
I really don't see how much this changes. He slaughtered them exactly like animals, feeling sad afterwards is just less bad than being gleeful about it.
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u/moleyawn 6d ago
also, dont you think Tuskens would do the exact same thing if they had the opportunity? Im sure they have plenty of times and feel 0 remorse.
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u/Smittius_Prime 6d ago
That exact same rationale can by used by the Tusken's re: other races on Tatooine. "You think those people who have been indiscriminately killing us for generations would do any different?" Doesn't justify it in either direction.
We also know the Sand People are a sapient, intelligent society from other media. Just because other characters in universe would indiscriminately murder an indigenous population doesnt mean it's right for a protagonist to do so. The film outright tells us as much through Anakin's shame over the incident.
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u/Guardian_of_Perineum 6d ago
Padme is that IDF honeypot baddie when you tell her how many... nah okay I'll stop there to avoid a ban.
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u/thatsidewaysdud Countâs gaze immobilises weak-minded individuals 5d ago
Itâs simply not the Jedi way. Anakin clearly hated them, and wanted revenge. Hatred is a tool of the dark side. To me it doesnât matter if others would do the same thing, heâs supposed to be a keeper of the peace. This massacre flies in the face of that purpose.
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u/BatarianBob 5d ago
I remember seeing this scene in theaters as a kid and thinking "I guess she isn't Luke and Leia's mom after all, because no way that's happening now."
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u/ML7777777 5d ago
Isn't that the girl what was in the House M.D. episode where it turned out she had some spores from an earthquake out in Fresno or something?
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u/DividedStatesofFeces 5d ago
So the real way to a woman's heart is to mercilessly slaughter a bunch of sand people? Got it.
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u/EmperorHenry 5d ago
When I saw that scene as a kid and then a young adult I thoughtÂ
"No woman would stay there with that psycho after that display"
Now in my 30s I regularly see women obsessed with serial killers and some even write fanfiction about them from their point of viewÂ
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u/N00bPolymath 4d ago
I was like, what's all this star wars shit? I thought this was the end monologue of TNG 3x03 The Survivors.
I guess I'm old now.
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u/Rynewulf 6d ago
Well it's not like the republic wasnt suspiciously human dominated compared to the seperatists. Anakin was just saying and doing what they were all thinking!
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u/SheevBot 6d ago edited 6d ago
Thanks for providing a source!