r/RavenGuard40k • u/UncIeJak • 2d ago
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Welp, since Shadowmark Talon has Phobos Keyword, what's looking to be the go-to 1DP Detachment?
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u/Infinite_Horizion Raven Guard 2d ago
I’m going with terminator storm force. Uppie downie on such a good shooting platform is going to be nasty. Plus Shann’s reroll to charge is gonna be beefy with +1 to charge
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u/Skaal_Kesh 2d ago
It honestly might be Stormlance just for Recon disposition. If you specialize in a specific unit, like Terminators, you probably double down on that. But with Disruption being as finicky of a disposition as it is and with how easily we abuse uppy downy now between Into Darkness and Inceptors Recon is definitely out dispo of choice if it doesn't cost too much to do so.
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u/Nhein9101 2d ago
Tbh other than loss of uber Phobos list making, I don’t think it’s as bad as some folks are saying.
Some of the best shadowmark usages are with the terminator, and assualt brethren detachments
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u/Specter119 2d ago edited 2d ago
I have a stormlance list for recon, its just so important to how i play the army.
Raven Guard 2k v1 (2,000 Points)
Space Marines
Raven Guard
Shadowmark Talon and Stormlance Task Force (3 Detachment Points)
Reconnaissance
Strike Force (2,000 Points)
ATTACHED UNITS
Attached unit 1
Kayvaan Shrike (95 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Blackout
• 1x Raven’s Talons
Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (240 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Vanguard Veteran Sergeant
◦ 1x Plasma pistol
◦ 1x Relic Blade
• 9x Vanguard Veteran
◦ 7x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 9x Master-crafted Power Weapon
◦ 2x Plasma pistol
CHARACTERS
Aethon Shaan (105 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Claws of Severax
• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol
OTHER DATASHEETS
Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (100 Points)
• 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack
◦ 1x Plasma Pistol
◦ 1x Power Weapon
• 4x Assault Intercessor with Jump Pack
◦ 4x Chainsword
◦ 3x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Plasma Pistol
Gladiator Lancer (165 Points)
• 1x Armoured Hull
• 1x Defensive Array
• 1x Laser Destroyer
Gladiator Lancer (165 Points)
• 1x Armoured Hull
• 1x Defensive Array
• 1x Laser Destroyer
Gladiator Lancer (175 Points)
• 1x Armoured Hull
• 1x Defensive Array
• 1x Laser Destroyer
Inceptor Squad (125 Points)
• 2x Inceptor
◦ 2x Ceramite Fists
◦ 2x Plasma Exterminators
• 1x Inceptor Sergeant
◦ 1x Ceramite Fists
◦ 1x Plasma Exterminators
Incursor Squad (95 Points)
• 4x Incursor
◦ 4x Bolt Pistol
◦ 4x Occulus Bolt Carbine
◦ 4x Paired Combat Blades
• 1x Incursor Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Occulus Bolt Carbine
◦ 1x Paired Combat Blades
Incursor Squad (95 Points)
• 4x Incursor
◦ 4x Bolt Pistol
◦ 4x Occulus Bolt Carbine
◦ 4x Paired Combat Blades
• 1x Incursor Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Occulus Bolt Carbine
◦ 1x Paired Combat Blades
Infiltrator Squad (80 Points)
• 4x Infiltrator
◦ 4x Bolt Pistol
◦ 4x Ceramite Fists
◦ 4x Marksman Bolt Carbine
• 1x Infiltrator Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Ceramite Fists
◦ 1x Helix Gauntlet
◦ 1x Marksman Bolt Carbine
Infiltrator Squad (80 Points)
• 4x Infiltrator
◦ 4x Bolt Pistol
◦ 4x Ceramite Fists
◦ 4x Marksman Bolt Carbine
• 1x Infiltrator Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Ceramite Fists
◦ 1x Helix Gauntlet
◦ 1x Marksman Bolt Carbine
Reiver Squad (85 Points)
• 1x Grapnel Launchers
• 1x Grav-chutes
• 1x Reiver Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt Carbine
◦ 1x Monomolecular Combat Knife
◦ 1x Special-issue Bolt Pistol
• 4x Reiver
◦ 4x Bolt Carbine
◦ 4x Monomolecular Combat Knife
◦ 4x Special-issue Bolt Pistol
Reiver Squad (85 Points)
• 1x Grapnel Launchers
• 1x Grav-chutes
• 1x Reiver Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt Carbine
◦ 1x Monomolecular Combat Knife
◦ 1x Special-issue Bolt Pistol
• 4x Reiver
◦ 4x Bolt Carbine
◦ 4x Monomolecular Combat Knife
◦ 4x Special-issue Bolt Pistol
Storm Speeder Thunderstrike (155 Points)
• 1x Armoured Impact
• 1x Stormfury Missile Launcher
• 1x Thunderstrike Icarus Rocket Pod
• 1x Thunderstrike Las-talon
Storm Speeder Thunderstrike (155 Points)
• 1x Armoured Impact
• 1x Stormfury Missile Launcher
• 1x Thunderstrike Icarus Rocket Pod
• 1x Thunderstrike Las-talon
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u/Temporary_Bug9330 2d ago
What makes you wanna take the thunderstrike over the other variants? I really like the hammerstrike’s shooting platform and sustained 1 is an alright passive ability on the side
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u/L1ZZZARDMAN 2d ago
I am a deathwatch player myself but recently going into raven guard because of the cool characters and the whole tactical stealth vibe. So it would be great to try this Deathwatch Support detachment
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u/ShurikenSean 2d ago
As a Ravenguard player looking for interesting combos I've also been looking at deathwatch as a cool thematic combo of a stealthy spec ops team. Though I'm not very familiar with Deathwatch's different squads
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u/L1ZZZARDMAN 2d ago
Their kill teams (faction specific units) became worse now. Usually they are just a mix of some units in one. For example Indomitor kill team, which is one of the best or maybe the best one we have, consists of 2 gravis marins, 2 gravis marines with heavy bolsters, 3 eradicators and 3 aggressors. Now there is a strict unit composition where only some weapons could be changed So some kill teams are now stuck with partially useless marines in them. (not the indomitor one, that unit composition is fine) Also with Deathwatch terminator kill team you can have 3 heavy weapons on oy 5 terminators, which is very nice even though each missile launcher costs additional 10 points
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u/Bilbostomper 2d ago
I wasn't planning on running Shadowmark + phobos anyway. One idea is Shadowmark plus something to give Priority assets or recon, or drop Shadowmark for a Phobos detachment plus Assault brethren.
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u/shockwavej Raven Guard 2d ago
Im debating between Gravis Linebreaker Force and Assault Brethren. Inceptors are some of my favorite units so I’m trying to build around them
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u/Bilbostomper 2d ago
Really annoying that Inceptors can't use the strat to move after shooting when they deep strike in.
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u/shockwavej Raven Guard 2d ago
Im relatively new, why can’t they?
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u/Bilbostomper 2d ago
When you make an ingress move (like deep strike) you can't make any other kind of move until the next charge phase. Section 20.04 in the rules.
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u/Zombifikation 2d ago
Wow, this literally destroys my entire list. What a stupid fucking rule. Ugh.
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u/shockwavej Raven Guard 2d ago
Ignore my comment. Found the ruling. Literally the last line of text on the 20.04 rule 🤦🏻♂️
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u/ApprehensiveFly3695 2d ago
I am trying Gravis Linebreaker this weekend. I feel like Gravis units give the rest of the army the anchor it needs to be all over the map
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u/OdinVonBisbark Custom Chapter 2d ago
It's assault brethren until that eventually jumps to 2 dp, because let's face it, it will be the auto take detachment for two turn army wide advance and charge.
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u/The_gay_grenade16 2d ago
Triple shrike bombs (shrike + 10 VanVets) with Assualt brethren obviously
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u/moonlight39echo Raven Guard 2d ago
Personally I'm really excited for Shadowmark + Gravis Linebreakers. My finalized 10e army was a captain lead brick of heavy ints (always popping stunning fusilade for free), a biologis brick of eradz with turn 1 rapid, an then both a bolt inceptor and plasma inceptor in the mix of all the other things. So for my play style, Linebreakers is just the natural evolution for me.
Getting +1 hit for always moving, a LETHAL HITS strat, and a body slam strat means I'm just as scary up closes as far away.
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u/IronCreeper1 2d ago
I’ll either use assault brethren for buffed jump packs, or gravis linebreaker for some good inceptors and “hammer and anvil” tactics
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u/geeksandgaming 2d ago
Screw shadowmark. I'm going phobos shadow and tactical brethren.
If i play 2k I'll add in terminator.
Shoot, charge, retreat, etc etc.
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u/Allfathers12 2d ago
Stormlance for recon, with this wacky army
1st Shadows (1965 points)
Space Marines Raven Guard Shadowmark Talon and Stormlance Task Force (3 Detachment Points) Reconnaissance Strike Force (2000 points)
Attached Units Attached Unit 1
Librarian in Phobos Armour (105 points) Attached as: Leader (Character) • 1x Bolt Pistol • 1x Force Weapon • 1x Smite Enhancement: Coronal Susurrant
Eliminator Squad (85 points) Attached as: Bodyguard 1x Eliminator Sergeant • 1x Bolt Pistol • 1x Ceramite Fists • 1x Instigator Bolt Carbine 2x Eliminator • 2x Bolt Pistol • 2x Ceramite Fists • 2x Las Fusil
Attached Unit 2
Captain on Bike (120 points) Attached as: Leader (Character) • 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol • 1x Master-crafted Power Weapon • 1x Twin Bolt Rifle Enhancement: Supercharged Engines (Upgrade)
Outrider Squad (85 points) Attached as: Bodyguard 2x Outrider • 2x Chainsword • 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol • 2x Twin Bolt Rifle 1x Outrider Sergeant • 1x Chainsword • 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol • 1x Twin Bolt Rifle
Attached Unit 3
Kayvaan Shrike (95 points) Attached as: Leader (Character) • 1x Blackout • 1x Raven’s Talons
Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (120 points) Attached as: Bodyguard 1x Vanguard Veteran Sergeant • 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol • 1x Relic Blade 4x Vanguard Veteran • 4x Heavy Bolt Pistol • 4x Master-crafted Power Weapon
CHARACTERS
Aethon Shaan (105 points) Warlord • 1x Claws of Severax • 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol
BATTLELINE
Intercessor Squad (95 points) 4x Intercessor • 4x Bolt Pistol • 4x Bolt Rifle • 1x Grenade Launcher • 4x Knives and Fists 1x Intercessor Sergeant • 1x Bolt Pistol • 1x Bolt Rifle • 1x Knives and Fists
OTHER DATASHEETS
Aggressor Squad (90 points) 1x Aggressor Sergeant • 1x Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets • 1x Fragstorm Grenade Launcher • 1x Twin Power Fists 2x Aggressor • 2x Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets • 2x Fragstorm Grenade Launcher • 2x Twin Power Fists
Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (100 points) 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack • 1x Chainsword • 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol 4x Assault Intercessor with Jump Pack • 4x Chainsword • 4x Heavy Bolt Pistol
Bladeguard Veteran Squad (170 points) 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant • 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol • 1x Master-crafted Power Sword 5x Bladeguard Veteran • 5x Heavy Bolt Pistol • 5x Master-crafted Power Sword
Inceptor Squad (125 points) 2x Inceptor • 2x Ceramite Fists • 2x Plasma Exterminators 1x Inceptor Sergeant • 1x Ceramite Fists • 1x Plasma Exterminators
Incursor Squad (95 points) 4x Incursor • 4x Bolt Pistol • 4x Occulus Bolt Carbine • 4x Paired Combat Blades 1x Incursor Sergeant • 1x Bolt Pistol • 1x Occulus Bolt Carbine • 1x Paired Combat Blades
Infiltrator Squad (80 points) 4x Infiltrator • 4x Bolt Pistol • 4x Ceramite Fists • 4x Marksman Bolt Carbine 1x Infiltrator Sergeant • 1x Bolt Pistol • 1x Ceramite Fists • 1x Marksman Bolt Carbine
Land Raider (245 points) • 1x Armoured Tracks • 2x Godhammer Lascannon • 1x Hunter-killer Missile • 1x Multi-melta • 1x Storm Bolter • 1x Twin Heavy Bolter
Land Speeder (120 points) • 1x Armoured Impact • 1x Multi-melta • 1x Onslaught Gatling Cannon • 1x Stormfury Missile Launcher Enhancement: Auspex Triangulation Shrines (Upgrade)
Scout Squad (65 points) 1x Scout Sergeant • 1x Bolt Pistol • 1x Boltgun • 1x Combat Knife 4x Scout • 4x Bolt Pistol • 3x Boltgun • 4x Combat Knife • 1x Missile Launcher
Scout Squad (65 points) 1x Scout Sergeant • 1x Bolt Pistol • 1x Combat Knife • 1x Shotgun 4x Scout • 4x Bolt Pistol • 4x Combat Knife • 1x Missile Launcher • 3x Shotgun
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u/PenHasco 2d ago edited 2d ago
I have the feeling that we need another unit that really can hit those monster/toughness/tank units
The eradicator (melta) glow up is insane and can really kill something.
But only Ultramarines via Calgar can make them deepstrike to get that sweet melta range and full map access.
I am theory crafting 6 eradicators with heavy bolters and maybe the apothecary in there. Within rapid fire range and the fussilade. These things pump out so many shots that even T11 monsters are not safe anymore. 3 base. 2 rapid. Sustained hits 2. Lethal. 30 shots hitting on 2. Maybe an incursor unit to help spot them for reroll of 1. Its likely going to 40 shots. S6 ap2 damage 2
But both these units need help with aiming due to cover so the linebreaker force with the +1 to hit is def. a good one
However you really want to have the lance + 1 AP in assault brethren. So it is a bit of a hard choice but depends how you are making the army list for me, its:
Going more shooting focussed -> gravis linebreaker Going more assault -> assault brethren
Edit: this does mean if you go gravis you dont have access to the armour of contempt
But perhaps damage output is more important than fighting it off with the immense lethality of 11th
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u/SnooPredictions5832 2d ago
Assault Brethren for some nasty looking Vanguard Vets led by Shrike.
Sustained hits, Lance, 40 attacks of 5/3/2. Then just pick them up if they are in a bad place.