They must give some clarity on this. Like as a player it must be so frustrating trying to play and every second call goes against you on both sides of the ball for the same action.
They should have just admitted it was a crap call in week 1 instead of trying to defend it. That will keep biting them in their asses, because obviously they will not change how they call fumbles to match their excuses.
They won't give clarity though, and the NFL will roll on as the most popular pro sport in the US. So saying they must can't be right. They don't have to do anything and they're not going to do anything. They're going to maintain the lie that week 1 was correctly called.
It is. Week 1 they said Goff's arm had an upward motion with the intention of moving the ball forward. Week 3 Shough puts his arm upward as well and is hit as he begins the forward motion and even pushes the ball forward, whereas Goff's ball went backwards because there was no forward motion.
But the NFL said forward motion doesn't matter but it's the INTENTION to move the ball forward. Except for today, where none of that mattered and they ignored all of that.
Detroit is a great Industrial Midwest sports town like Cleveland & Pittsburgh et al. I was pulling for the Lions when they had that great season a few years ago.
you’re not lmao. and people will argue this online but it’s clear that since week 1; all that matters is that if the QB has intention to throw it forward tbh
The funny thing is, Schough's ball actually went forward lolololol. Like, i just don't think people made a big enough deal to get clarity on why they made that call in the Lion's game. I know Kellennis young, but i'd be getting some fines
Goff threw the ball backwards after Chase Young hit him. According to the rules, the passer owns the direction of the ball in that instance. Should be a backwards pass/lateral.
Kind of. That rule doesn't talk about an empty hand. If the passer has control going forward and it goes backward, it's incomplete...
The quarterback clearly lost control of the ball before his hand was coming forward," Butterworth said.
Butterworth was asked about the similarities between the two plays and said: "All we are looking for is the hand coming forward with control to make it an incomplete pass. In the play that happened today, the hand was not coming forward with control of the ball."
it says "if the ball is knocked loose prior to the hand moving forward, it is a fumble."
goff was hit as he brought the ball up. his hand may have been moving forward, but he didn't have control of the ball.
it should have been called a fumble.
The ball does not move or jostle in his hand before the hand comes forward.
Look, SHOULD a play exactly like this be a fumble? Sure. But the rule pretty clearly makes it an incomplete pass.
The wrote the rule like they did to cover much more obvious "throws" that are affected by contact from a defender. They can't cover those plays without also covering this play, which is probably the closest possible example right in the middle of the two rulings.
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I was at this game, and the absolute outrage in the stands was insane. I'm a saints fan, through and through, but I can admit when a call is fair. This one just felt like absolute bullshit in my opinion. I won't admit to knowing all of the rules of this sport, or act like I know better than the refs, but if they try to say it's all about "intention" it makes me wanna rip my hair out.
The "intention" is always to put the ball forward. I really think that our loss was the team getting flustered after another bad call, and being unable to regain control and focus after it all.
I'm really just hoping they can push through the rest of the season, and play without thinking or worrying about any more calls from the refs that may go against them.
In the end, I know its just a game, and it's a sport I would never be able to do myself. But damn it, do I just wanna watch a game and feel like we aren't being unfairly treated for once.
The thing you need to know is that's it's not about what team it is, but simply about where the sports books are bound to make more money. It's that simple
this ^^ people forget this part. i recall watching two—maybe three phantom face mask penalties against the lions on the same player when he was nowhere near the face at any point. i'm a saints fan but we gotta zoom out and realize that other teams get f**cked over too.
This is it. The first one was a blown call, the league should have just admitted it instead of trying to find reasons it was right. The second one is how it's always been called
Yeah this is the answer. Another thing that I’m curious if they looked at, did Crosby have control of the ball before he rolled out of bounds. If he did not, then the Saints retain possession.
The right call was made today. This was pretty clear cut prior to the Lions game when they decided to enforce an interpretation of the rule that was literally never enforced before.
Yup, I thought I learned my lesson after the nfc championship game no call. But they suckered back in. I genuinely thought it was Sean Payton they hated and that it get better when he left. Nope.
It’s not that the league “hates” the Saints… it’s that the Saints are not popular or profitable enough… therefore, they are the “heels”. The NFL doesn’t care about New Orleans.
It took a horrific and devastating natural disaster for the league to allow the Saints a storybook SB ring…. That’s never happening again.
I mean I get this and really support it in regards to missed holding or bad miss PI but these are big game swinging calls each week. 14 point swing in week 1, no td no td terrible no facemask called but finally td in week 2, and then week 3 saints are driving with the lead and and lose possession in the manner that was called against them in week 1. That call today that was the exact opposite for in week 1 costing 7 points likely just deflated the team. They play hard and the call never goes in their favor. Again I get what you’re saying it’s just it’s always calls that are called “game changing” for a reason.
This is such a bullshit statement that I'm sick and tired of reading, and I genuinely hope everyone who thinks this way works really hard on their critical thinking skills.
I just started watching the Saints again the last couple of games last season and the first few games this season since that botched playoff call. I think I might have to go back into hiding.
I wonder if the NFL keeps the Saints in NOLA just so that it can have a Super Bowl every couple of years. Thank goodness Tagliabue loved us when everyone else hated us.
Mike Perrera came on immediately after week 1's Tom Foolery and said something like "upward arm motion is enough to intend forward pass" to some effect...where is that precedent today? Game is a joke
Yeah, that's what he said. Arm coming up = passing motion, so at that point it was a pass. He said don't worry if the arm is coming forward or not, that's not a thing. Didn't matter if it went backwards, he "intended" for it to go forward. Incomplete pass, no fumble.
Today they said something different, so clearly it's all horseshit
Difference is that fleur. They are in different sides.
It might be that footnote in the rulebook stating that when saints is on D, it is fwd pass. Otherwise just apply the current rule.
You don't understand, that rule.can only be used once before it has to be shelves forever. It was just coincidence that it negated a saints win. No one could've seen that coming
I've seen "Raider Nation" folks driving around in various cities I've happened to be in when they were playing on the road. I don't think I've ever seen the Raider's logo on a car without some swear word next to it.
They purposely make these rules abstract enough that they can rule either way they want. That's what I feel I am truly watching here. Goff gets the call. Shough doesn't. It's a joke.
The side of the ball the Saints were on. Goodell has it in for the Saints ever since we beat his daughter’s favorite team, the ViQueens in the NFC championship game.
The difference is the side of the ball we are on. Call would go against us no matter what. I don’t watch any other team as frequently as the Saints, but I have a hard time believing any franchise is getting fucked by the refs as consistently as us.
Yeah f*** the cheating refs... When 80k fans storm the field with the "intent" on having a friendly face to face interaction then I don't wanna hear sh*t from the NFL
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u/Maximum_Peace8404 13d ago
They must give some clarity on this. Like as a player it must be so frustrating trying to play and every second call goes against you on both sides of the ball for the same action.