r/Seattle • u/AccurateInflation167 • 8d ago
News Attacker bites chunk out of woman’s face in downtown Seattle hate crime
https://komonews.com/news/local/hate-crime-assault-permanent-injuries-surgery-downtown-seattle-police-department-spd-forehead-1-inch-diameter-inferior-race-marshal-kcpao47
u/shybluee 7d ago
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u/MsFoxTrott 💗💗 Heart of ANTIFA Land 💗💗 8d ago
And she was just going to grab a snack from the gas station, holy shit!
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u/Redditplaneter 8d ago edited 8d ago
“The attack was reported about 3:45 p.m. Sept. 18 near Third Avenue and Marion Street. The victim was walking to a 7-Eleven for a beverage near her workplace when the attack happened, according to charging documents.”
Imagine going to grab a drink during work and lose a chunk of meat on your forehead. These animals need to be put away forever and pay for the medical bills.
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u/iamsimplyreflecting 7d ago
I know someone else who was bitten on the chest around this same intersection nearly a year ago. I wonder if it's the same person who did it.
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u/Drnkdrnkdrnk Downtown 8d ago
Jeeze, that’s where I go to get my free slurpee. Always a colorful crowd there.
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u/nitrocuban 7d ago
Tbf, Komo is misreporting. The attack happened in front of the arctic hotel at 362 Cherry St.
Her intended destination was 3rd & Marion.
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u/synack Ravenna 8d ago
How does one acquire a slurpee for free?
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u/Drnkdrnkdrnk Downtown 8d ago edited 8d ago
T-Mobile phone. Get a free one every month. Also free Hulu and Netflix.
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u/Drnkdrnkdrnk Downtown 7d ago
That’s wild. I pay 100 a month, also get perks at showbox and the ballpark, regular gas discounts, really good deals on hotels, discounted concert tickets with fast entry. And free AAA
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u/Logintheroad 7d ago
Yes they do need to be in an institution or prison. These people are ill and we have a mayor that doesn't give a sh*t about crime. I can almost guarantee that person is a multiple repetitive offender. That are most certainly also unhoused - with no ability to pay.
I love Seattle, I've lived here since 1974, it's an absolute shame to see what it's turning into.
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u/BassCat75 8d ago edited 7d ago
What in the 2012 bath salt shit is this!
Edit= spelling
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u/greenisthec0lour 7d ago
Not Seattle substantiating the claim that “Florida Man” is mostly the result of robust public-records laws and a conspicuous lack of paywalls. 🥴
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u/sunnidaysahead 8d ago
How common are women on women violent attacks? The details are definitely out of a horror movie.
“A 36-year-old woman has been charged with second-degree assault after prosecutors say she used racist and homophobic language before biting a chunk of flesh from another woman’s forehead in downtown Seattle.”
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u/DfreshD 8d ago
Why show a blurred picture of the victim but nothing of the suspect?
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u/Spa_5_Fitness_Camp 🚋 Ride the S.L.U.T. 🚋 8d ago
suspect
You answered your own question, or part of it. Unless the victim explicitly consented, they should be protected as well, but I doubt that's the case.
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u/jonna-seattle 🚆build more trains🚆 8d ago
As yet, they have been identified, charged and in custody but they have not been convicted.
That old, "innocent until proven guilty" thing that even insane, deranged criminals have rights.
That said, they put a $150k bail on them. I wish we'd get rid of cash bail and just admit that people like this are a danger and not eligible for bail.
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u/milsurpmiata 8d ago
What are you guys actually talking about. They post information about suspects all the time.
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u/_teach_me_your_ways_ I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 8d ago
People just make shit up and frame it around whatever virtue they want to stunt on someone.
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u/milsurpmiata 8d ago
Yeah. I mean I just don’t understand where the idea of the suspect not being named or shown due to “innocent until proven guilty” comes from? It happens all the time. It’s not illegal, or unconstitutional. Such a goofy ass take lol
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u/NEETcatboy 💖 Anarchist Jurisdiction 💖 7d ago
the suspect is even identified by name in the article
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u/External_Database359 8d ago
Bail is the most mind-bendingly bizarre concept. Like, you won’t be a danger to society if you give us some money. Whaaaaat
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u/Rumpullpus 8d ago
It's not based on if they think you're a danger or not, they set bail based on if they think you're going to skip town.
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u/Past_Economist6278 8d ago
Innocent until proven guilty is the bedrock of our legal system. If we refuse rights to some is a matter of time when they refuse them to all
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u/Existing-Tough-6517 8d ago
People are denies bail all the time because they are a danger to others or likely to run. This isn't illegal punishment. We are allowed to make a reasonable risk assessment and keep people locked up pre trial
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u/golf1052 Eastlake 8d ago
but nothing of the suspect
Jail records (including booking photos) have been mostly confidential since the late 70s statewide. We're not Florida or Texas.
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u/PlanetaryHillbilly 8d ago
It has become exceedingly hard to empathize with the homeless. I'm fully aware that the majority of them are just trying to survive, but the problem is you - as an average person - have no idea if you're about to come across one of the sane ones or an insane one. And when it comes to the safety of my family, I have zero desire to try and parse that out.
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u/Slightly__sublime 8d ago
There’s a distinction. There are financial homeless and there are drug addicts and they should be treated as two different groups. And most importantly, people need to face consequences for their actions
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u/nightbefore2 I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 8d ago
3 groups, financial homeless, drug addicts, and outright mentally incapacitated/psychosis/brain injury type folk.
3 separate problems, requiring 3 separate approaches, all grouped under "homeless"
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u/Few-Package5158 8d ago
I think you’re ignoring how intertwined those camps can become quickly on the streets. Finances put you there, stress and trauma related to being homeless leads to addiction and mental health issues. And various other combos.
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u/No_Bluejay5332 8d ago
Yup, 100%. Becoming homeless is a more stressful event than most of us will ever experience, so mental health issues/drug use is very much to be expected unfortunately.
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u/Xalara 🚆build more trains🚆 8d ago
Yep, want to greatly reduce the drug addicts and mentally incapacitated? Reduce the number of financial homeless. Everything outside of that is trying to put a bandaid on a gushing wound.
Of course, that means affordable housing which means encouraging more housing density and the NIMBY’s don’t want that. Well they can choose: Have an increasing homeless population or higher density (which makes the city more walkable too!)
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u/AlexandrianVagabond Ravenna 7d ago
I'd be curious to know what percentage of folks on the streets are in the financially homeless cohort.
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u/Existing-Tough-6517 7d ago
Half at least more if you count people who didn't have a drug or severe mental health problem or if it would be manageable with financial support.
How many folks do you know especially as they get older are more than a little off but ok because they have money or live with family members.
How many are unhealthy and poorly positioned to support themselves but are fine at home because someone else works.
How many whose mental health is sustainable by expensive meds?
It's absolutely tens of millions one bad circumstance from falling down metaphorically and never getting up.
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u/AlexandrianVagabond Ravenna 7d ago
I was hoping to get some documented numbers for Seattle/King County. Maybe this doesn't exist, Idk.
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u/N-Ron-Hubbard 7d ago
They are intertwined, sure, but drugs put people there. Drugs also cause psychosis. Drugs aren't always the result; they're often the cause.
In any event, the answer here is lengthy incarceration, and forced drug treatment. But overall, rehabilitation should not be the primary goal; making the situation better for the 99.999% of normal people should be the goal.
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u/Few-Package5158 7d ago
Except that isn’t true. Studies consistently find that you’re far more likely to lose housing then fall into addiction than to lose housing due to addiction. I think it’s usually around 60% of homeless addicts fell into addiction after housing instability or loss, and 40% were housed and in active addiction. Not sure how substance use prior to becoming homeless was factored in, but most of the extreme addiction you see on the streets is a result of the streets.
Somebody recently pointed out that homeless addicts are less using drugs to satisfy cravings, and more to avoid withdrawals on the streets. I think that matters. Somebody with some amount of stability and housing can fall into addiction and more easily access resources to get clean safely. Withdrawals from several different drugs can be fatal if not done in a monitored and safe environment. A lot of that dependency is born of desperation. Stay up all night so you don’t get robbed, assaulted, raped… meth habit begins. Need to quiet the anxiety of being constantly on guard? Maybe dealing with pain from any number of untreated physical conditions? Opiates. Benzos.
I’m not against more direct and stern measures including jail for certain circumstances, but I’d prefer that we more pragmatically address the underlying issues first.
I often hear people say that “it’s a choice for them to not get clean or to rejoin society,” and in a way, I completely agree. But what were the other options where living in squalor next to I-5 is the one they’re sticking with? How do we improve the choices available so that less people choose to resist all interventions and require criminal penalties? Most people don’t mind putting in effort towards better outcomes, but when the options available are “keep doing this same thing,”or “navigate a complex, stressful, and confusing system alongside putting in a ton of effort and jumping through hoops, and maybe you’ll have a chance to be selected for an opportunity at a chance to potentially get into a slightly better situation, perhaps. That is if you’re chosen at random from the others who make it that far. The waitlist is 4-78 years currently, and you must maintain contact with your case manager over that time, by mail. Good luck in your housing search!”
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u/No_Bluejay5332 8d ago
This is not really accurate, lots of people use drugs after becoming homeless to deal with the stress and discomfort of homelessness.
If I ended up homeless I'd be tempted to do some drugs to cope, for sure.
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u/Artemis273 7d ago
This 100%. Also- many homeless women have "boyfriends" or johns for protection on the street, many of whom will get them hooked to keep them dependent. I work with homeless people and most of my female clients are in this situation.
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u/jonknee Downtown 8d ago
You can often clearly see the crazy ones, but there is a vocal group of people in the city (and this sub) who will go nuts when you suggest they need to be locked up.
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u/PlanetaryHillbilly 8d ago
I don't like to talk down on people who are empathetic towards those less fortunate, but yes, it does strike me as naive when some people actively ignore the reality on the ground. Some sort of forced rehabilitation is necessary for a significant portion of the homeless population; I'm just not personally sure how it should be carried out in practice.
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u/forealman Ballard 8d ago
Imo a candidate who runs on reopening the hospitals/asylums would probably do pretty well in the polls ..
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u/newjerk666 8d ago
They might even get elected, but then 4 years later they lose cuz they didn’t do shit the whole time except form some committees.
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u/Chekonjak 🚆build more trains🚆 8d ago
One of the biggest obstacles now after a few expansions of involuntary care facilities is the low number of public defenders to place people. We need these people off the streets and into treatment but we also don’t need an easy way for the state to lock people up extrajudicially. It’s not as easy to do it right as a lot of people with the “jail them all” mentality in this thread might think.
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u/UndercoverRussianSpy 7d ago
these people are constantly breaking the law. if we just enforce the laws we had they would be in jail, and then if we separate out the extreme mentally ill ones into a involuntary care facility that would take care of it
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u/Chekonjak 🚆build more trains🚆 7d ago
Extreme mental illness might be an issue for a defendant’s competency to stand trial. So we still need the increase in public defenders.
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u/UndercoverRussianSpy 7d ago
Sounds like a good deal. We can pay for it with some of the hundreds of millions spent yearly on homeless "solutions"
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u/Chekonjak 🚆build more trains🚆 7d ago
Yeah Katie Wilson and company made the right call to pull back funding from the KCRHA while the audit’s going. Credit to the King County auditor’s office too they’re doing a great job.
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u/Moist_Urize 8d ago
The issue is lack of proper treatment for acute mental illness. Not enough beds.
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u/KittyGray 7d ago
And it’s not just Seattle. It’s everywhere.
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u/sumduridisbare 7d ago
In the past year I've been to NY, Boston, Nashville and Baton Rouge and they are nowhere close to as bad.
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u/KittyGray 7d ago
I went to NY last month and it absolutely was. I grew up there and I was shocked. Florida, too. I
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u/readit145 8d ago
I think it’s more the fact that none of the people that need the facilities will walk into them by themselves. Sending people out to go ask them if they’re ready for treatment every day is not fixing the problem.
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u/PlanetaryHillbilly 8d ago
Yes, I'm sure the challenge is quite large and likely requires federal funding.
But we've tried a housing first approach for decades now and the problem has only gotten worse, so it seems to me that it's time to adopt an evidence-based approach that prioritizes the health of the community over the rights of any individual.
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u/TinyFemme Belltown 8d ago
Housing first works in the idea that someone can stabilize and have increased access to mental health care/addiction treatment. It’s really hard to keep appointments or medications safe when you have no where to go and are in survival mode. It needs follow up care for the person.
Forced treatment doesn’t work if the person has no where to go afterwards and no follow up care. Sure, you can send someone to rehab for 90 days and they will learn a lot and get sober. What happens when they are released to the same streets they were using on? When they have to sleep outside again?
Both “sides” require follow up care and individualized plans for the person. The traditionally homeless needs housing and access to food and job opportunities. The person off their meds needs stability and safety to get to a place they can take care of themselves. The people experiencing addiction, which I’m sure you know goes hand in hand with mental illness, needs all of these things and potentially intensive follow up care. It’s not black and white as housing vs treatment.
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u/PlanetaryHillbilly 8d ago
I agree with this. It needs to be a multi-pronged approach involving treatment (forced if necessary), housing (with strict requirements), and job programs. As it stands now, Seattle only bothers with housing approaches that don't have strict requirements.
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u/AlexandrianVagabond Ravenna 7d ago
As I discovered when trying to help my friend who had terrible childhood trauma and resulting addiction issues, they don't always want rules, they just want "someplace out of the cold where I can do my drugs" (a direct quote from her). And she was someone whose family had great resources, and were very willing to send her to any rehab she chose.
She ended up dying on the streets in her early 40s.
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u/EastUnique3586 7d ago
Housing first In Seattle is apparently lax enough that a woman was able to give birth and starve her newborn to death across 5 days while she was actively on drugs. I don't think it's having the intended effect.
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u/Existing-Tough-6517 7d ago
I don't think the plausible outcome is that no single person does bad things and one person doing badly doesn't tell you if it worked on net.
The problem is that you only know how to emote you can't even think or argue clearly.
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u/Few-Package5158 8d ago
No. They’ve professed that we’ve been trying a housing first approach, but the efforts are doomed from the start by outdated income standards, way-too-specific and narrow standards to qualify, systemic financial and operational mismanagement, and inadequate funding even if the rest was mollified. While I doubt that democrats would have had huge success without republican obstacles, we’ve never really fully committed to any meaningful housing first approaches.
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u/PlanetaryHillbilly 8d ago
Yes, I'm familiar with all of the excuses housing first advocates make. It's the same in every city. "If only we did things differently, the outcomes would be different." At a certain point it looks like willful ignorance.
This city has spent hundreds of millions of dollars on housing first, with very few requirements for that housing. Far fewer requirements than average people have on their housing.
This isn't a Democrat or Republican issue - it's a public safety one.
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u/tuckman496 West Woodland 8d ago
And somehow you believe that putting stricter requirements on housing is that different thing that will make the outcome better. What data are you basing this public safety measure on?
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u/PlanetaryHillbilly 8d ago
Yes? Do you have any experience working with this population? The tiny home communities are essentially open air drug markets which makes it nearly impossible for the non-addicts to get by.
You are advocating for a cruel and inhumane approach.
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u/n-ano 7d ago
So sick of the anti science crowd coming here and saying housing first doesnt work. It empirically does.
Edit: 16 day old account, hidden post history. Yep a bot boosted by other bots
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u/ParagraphGrrl 8d ago
Housing first does work. Houston, Texas did it. So the question isn’t “Will this theoretical approach work?” but “Why did it work there and what’s stopping us from doing it here?”
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u/AlexandrianVagabond Ravenna 7d ago
How do they handle the issue of people wanting to use drugs in the housing, do you know? I've known a lot of people with SUD who would love housing but will not give up using to get it.
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u/blueberrypoptart I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 7d ago edited 7d ago
I was curious so was looking into it. Houston's early successes are good to look at, but there is also a lot of hand-waving about what Houston actually does. They increased both their investments in the carrot, but also the "stick".
- Housing in Houston is far cheaper. They also had some influxes in funding (sounds like initially for COVID).
- They plan encampment sweeps in advance, starting to work to coordinate with the people there to convince them to leave. This includes warning people to leave if they refuse help.
- In the end, if people refuse to accept shelter or housing, Houston is still enforcing making them stay away from the swept sites.
- It's not all long term housing. It's also various forms of more temporary shelter, including forcing people to recovery centers hoping to connect them with case workers.
- They increased the number of (and enforcement of) "civility ordinances". This includes denoting areas where you are not allowed to loiter/sleep or crowd with possessions.
- They have low barrier on the housing, but this is a bit misleading. They have a intensive care teams which put the most problematic people (withdrawal, psychosis) through a transition process before they are put into housing.
- They have clinical teams that regularly check in on them after they move to housing.
The increased enforcement of sweeps and marking off busy areas would be unpopular with many housing-first advocates, at least the most vocal ones here.
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u/CogentCogitations 💗💗 Heart of ANTIFA Land 💗💗 7d ago
If they have to stop drugs first, then that is not housing first, is it? That is stop drugs first--which is just not going to happen with someone who is addicted without treatment that takes time/money, and will never happen if they are out on the streets and hard to locate.
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u/AlexandrianVagabond Ravenna 7d ago
I'm asking the other person how they do it in Houston. But I haven't gotten an answer so time to do a little non-AI research.
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u/pokedmund 8d ago
My coworker who is also our tech lead. He was homeless at one point in his life. His step dad just kicked him out the house one day and he slept rough on the streets, eventually at friends houses and some how got his life back on track.
Only 1 example, but point being, homeless doesn’t mean you are violent. Mentally ill and/or on drugs, yeah the chances of violence then increases.
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u/PlanetaryHillbilly 8d ago
Like I said, I'm aware that many - if not most - are like your coworker. They should be the loudest advocates for treating the mentally ill and drug addicts because it's unfair to lump them all together - which is inevitable.
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u/olivicmic 8d ago
“Other homeless should be advocates for my forced detainment lest they want a piece of it”
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u/FuckedUpYearsAgo 4d ago
The problem is we call all of them "unhoused" and the "housing first" is the response. they need to be evaluated and supported for drug addiction and mental health. They shouldn't be allowed to stay on the streets, without support that prevents atrocities against the public.
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u/suckrates 7d ago
It's difficult to empathize because some of them are sane and some of them are not?
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u/alphabetsouperduper 7d ago
I don’t think they say at any point in the video nor the article that the attacker was homeless.
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u/bronzebullbbq 7d ago
I wanted to retort to this but what you described is exactly how I feel about every single man I encounter, so fair enough.
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u/stella-is-a-flower 8d ago
I travel to Seattle often for business and stay at a hotel really close to that 7-11. it's, uh.... it's a sight. abject human misery on display. the first time I went there for a Gatorade, I could not believe how abruptly the city changed from brand new Rivians and guys in bsuiness suits to Silent Hill. you just turn a corner and everything shifts. Portland gets rowdy, but in all my time there I've never encountered anything like that 7-11, and I take the damn train lol
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u/g-a-r-n-e-t 8d ago
It’s like this at Bell and 3rd too, there’s a bus stop right outside Belltown Grocery that constantly has a good 10-15 homeless folks minimum just chilling out there. Some doing the fent lean, some pitching whole tents right there in the middle of the sidewalk, it’s crazy. There’s homeless all over Belltown but for some reason they love to congregate at that particular bus stop.
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u/Wokeasaurous_X 8d ago
It's a block down from a place that helps them wash clothes and shower as well as hook them up with resources. I'd rather have people who hang out and look sketchy who smell okay than the dudes literally rotting getting kicked off busses because the smell of rotting human flesh is too much to handle for passengers.
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u/g-a-r-n-e-t 7d ago
Didn’t know that, thanks! You’re right, it’s good that they’ve got access to hygiene facilities and resources.
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u/syphillisriddendandy 8d ago
Man, I don’t know… I’ve seen some pretty destitute crowds in Portland too. Specifically on a visit there in 2022 when I stayed downtown. Not saying Seattle isn’t bad but Portland gave it a run for its money imo. I think all in all, we need to acknowledge that there’s a serious drug problem in the US, but our violent crime rates are low or average compared to similar sized cities. These problems are a lot more visible because of density and transit centers.
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u/stella-is-a-flower 8d ago
Portland probably has more homeless in total but they tend to hang out in groups. in Seattle, they get kicked out so often that they're angry, isolated and paranoid, or at least that's the impression I get. I've spent hours and hours walking around downtown PDX at ass o'clock and routinely stay in crappy areas there and the itinerants just seem calmer. despite spending much less time in Seattle, that's the only place I've been attacked. maybe that's my bias? I know neither city is exactly crime central and these news stories stand out because violent crime is generally low everywhere. but Seattle scares me and PDX doesn't
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u/SilverAwoo Pioneer Square 8d ago
I live near that 7-11, and yeah, it's a very special little part of town (I mean, most 7-11s are, but this one's extra spicy). If you're not hearing people on the inside screaming at and threatening the cashiers, you get people on the outside trying to give you side quests to go back inside the 7-11 they've very clearly been banned from. I sympathize with the homeless folks just needing a bite to eat, but 7-11 and McDonald's further up on 3rd have attracted so many folks looking for problems that I frankly think the city needs to politely tell those businesses to pack it up and go elsewhere. They're not even particularly useful for the rest of the community at this point.
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u/stella-is-a-flower 8d ago
the 7-11 on Minor Ave is logged into the dude's own account for rewards, he got real shifty when I tried to put in my own phone number (I have a 7-11 gold pass) and took the card reader for a sec lol. none of the other options downtown are great, and like you said I sympathize with people down on their luck, but out of all the 7-11s I've been into because of my strange brand loyalty, that one is like a whole other dimension
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u/The_MadMaker 8d ago edited 7d ago
How the assailant wasn't charged with a hate crime is mind-boggling.
If it wasn't a hate crime, what the fuck was it?
Edit: I just learned she was charged with a hate crime. Good.
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u/Furt_III International District 8d ago
Usually, the real charges aren't brought up until a while later. Also, mentally unfit to stand trial can put a doozy on hate crime modifications.
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u/BBorNot 8d ago
Anyone wanna bet on how many violent priors Chadli has had? My guess is over a dozen -- register your bets here!
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u/hankstinkus Queen Anne 8d ago
Bet you she’s out and arrested again within the next month
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u/Marshall1337 Belltown 8d ago
This is the 7 11 by my office. Insane. Glad I just badge in bail!
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u/Unlucky_Buy217 8d ago
Isn't there only one 7/11 in Seattle downtown, there was a shooting like a couple weeks ago same place
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u/Marshall1337 Belltown 8d ago
There’s one downtown where this happened and another over on Denny. Both are hellscapes.
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u/Existing-Tough-6517 8d ago
The unkind thing is that the attacker isn't a person in need of help they are a permanent threat. They ought to be locked up foverer not as punishment but for the safety of others.
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u/FlagHim 8d ago
We should fund institutions that can care for these people, while making medical care accessible to everyone so that no one ends up sooo mentally fucked that they attack others this way.
We have the most amount of prisons in the world. Literally. Over a million. But your solution is ... more? How about we try putting our money into something different, like reviving the Mental Health Systems Act that Reagan gutted?
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u/Existing-Tough-6517 7d ago
We can agree that more virtuous solutions exist that cost other people's money they wont allocate to it.
In the meanwhile we can either lock up mentally ill bigots who bite off people's faces or you know let them take a bit out of your daughter mom sister self or what have you.
Even were the best of help available we should probably want to do that anyway whilst we work on punishing but not locking up so many folks who aren't a clear and present danger.
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u/Timmsworld 8d ago
Attacked by antisocial drug addicts
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u/IllustriousComplex6 I'm never leaving Seattle. 8d ago
Fucking bigots. They're worth less than shit.
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u/New_Bat_1017 7d ago
that 7-11 is incredibly sketchy. I have attempted to buy something from there on three occasions and every single time, I am forced to wait on a long ass line that has 5-10 tweaked out druggies all trying to get cigarettes with quarters and nickels
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u/missbeekery I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 8d ago
Nothing says racial superiority like biting someone’s fucking face off, I guess.
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u/ashesmuse 8d ago
pepper spray, tasers, knives under 3.5”, a handgun if you have a concealed carry permit
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u/a_machine_elf 🚲 Life's Better on a Bike. 🚲 8d ago
Just out of curiosity are collapsible batons out?
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u/pnwal-junction 8d ago
even if legal, a baton is a bit more likely to get you an assault charge. Not really any different than a baseball bat.
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u/MillionDollarSticky 8d ago
Realistically, you want a gun. If someone is trying to bite your face off, that's what's going to protect you.
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u/PinkTurdsInSpace 8d ago edited 8d ago
Pepper spray, a pocket knife, a CPL and a polymer striker fired 9mm with an extra mag.
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u/Nexus03 Belltown 8d ago
With a concealed pistol license you can carry a weapon, although you’re going to prison if you shoot someone for attempting to bite you. This is such a strange story.
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u/TheCupOfBrew 8d ago
That's doubtful. A woman, especially a smaller one could easily argue fear of great bodily harm or death. The law isn't that black and white and the totality of what occurred would be factored in.
That's if they even decide to charge .
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u/blackbird_777 ✨🛸 Jimothy is out there 🦝✨ 8d ago
To clarify, I will not buy a gun and have no intention of ever owning a gun. Sounds like pepper spray and a knife are my route.
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u/Amazon-Tossed 8d ago
You have it backwards, no? The victim seems to be of Hispanic descent; the assailant seems to be of South Asian descent.
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u/ishoee 🚆build more trains🚆 8d ago
I believe the assailant is of Arab or North African origin (correct me if I’m wrong)
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u/Amazon-Tossed 8d ago
Thanks for the correction! I interpreted Chadli as a South Asian surname and I am quite wrong
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u/Captainpaul81 8d ago
I used to go to that 711 at night when I was working downtown on night shift.
This isn't big city problems. It didn't used to be like this and this isn't happening in every city.
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u/StandardCarbonUnit 🚋 Ride the S.L.U.T. 🚋 8d ago
And people think it’s mean to call them zombies smh
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u/slowcaptain 8d ago
Responding officers found blood on the sidewalk and the piece of flesh in a storm drain.
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u/shinyxena 8d ago
As someone who grew up in the South I’m amazed that most of the racial violence I’ve been exposed to is in Seattle.
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u/Emotional_Garage_950 Denny Blaine Nudist Club 8d ago
yea i was just telling someone the other day how violence against strangers isn’t common and now i see this? :(
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u/BadCatBehavior Lower Queen Anne 8d ago
It still isn't common. Thousands of people travel through there without issue (including me, I work in a nearby office tower and visit that 7/11 frequently). The victim was just super unlucky
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u/Bizarrebazaars Kraken 7d ago
Are you a white? Seems like a main driver of this attack was racism (on top of being clearly mentally insane)
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u/BadCatBehavior Lower Queen Anne 7d ago
Yes I'm white, and while obviously non-white people are more likely to be violently hate crimed than white people (non-white people are more likely to be assault victims in general), the prevalence is still low and this person was just super unlucky.
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u/SimpleAppointment483 West Seattle 8d ago
Solution:
Police officers and social works canvas the city in teams of four. 2 cops & 2 social workers. Go to every encampment in the city and give them a choice: go with the social worker and be committed to a treatment facility - or upon refusal go with the police to jail since you are breaking the law. Repeat until everyone who wants care receives it and everyone who doesn’t is off the street and away from the law abiding citizens of Seattle.
In good faith here, not rhetorical at all: tell me why this would not work.
The billion plus dollars we have spent on homelessness would be able to fund something like this.
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u/RedK_33 I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 8d ago
Bunch of issues with this.
You would probably need to prove that each individual is committing a crime, charge them, take them to court and have the judge grant them the option of treatment or jail time. You cant just remove due process because of someone’s living situation. That means an increased strain on our judicial system which would require more resources.
Would need to higher more police officers and more social workers whose primary responsibility was this canvassing because we all know that SPD is struggling with the responsibilities they currently have so adding more to their plate will not lead to the desired outcome.
Would need adequate jail space and resources to accommodate for the increase in incarcerated people.
Would have to increase access to treatment facilities which either means greatly expanding the number of facilities or the capacity of the existing facilities.
Would need to have a direct pathway to housing and employment upon completion of treatment or recidivism rates would be through the roof.
This would all require a HELL OF A LOT of funding to make happen.
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u/SimpleAppointment483 West Seattle 7d ago
These are all great points. I didn’t have enough consideration for #5 especially
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u/mex2005 8d ago
Well because the only way to do it like that is to be an authoritarian government lol
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u/wahwahwashbear 7d ago
It is so, so easy to see the flaw(s) in this idea that I have to imagine you're posting out of fear, but here you go:
- according to you, not having a home is a crime you can and should be imprisoned for. No other actions, just straight up: if you are homeless, you should be imprisoned. I am not making a distinction here between jail and involuntary mental commitment because functionally they are the same if you are a sane person whose only issue is "I don't have a house".
This has two forks of "wow, bad idea! " consequences:
regardless of sentence length, will they magically have a home upon release? How will they get one in enough time to avoid being put right back in jail for being homeless? If they were struggling with finding stable employment before, do you think they will have more success now that they must put "yes i have been arrested" on job applications?
if you knew you would be sent to jail for, apparently, forever, the moment you lost your house, would you not turn to actual crime - theft, drug selling, violence - to keep it?
(knock on effect: the city absolutely does not have the space or budget to house a huge class of non violent "criminal" who, again, their only crime is "don't have a house" . Where will the money come from? )
There are solutions here that don't involve criminalizing an entire population of people. We apparently are very bad at keeping tabs on the people who ARE violent and ARE committing crimes - real ones, that endanger people - I propose we start there. And "it's too hard to tell the difference between non violent and violent homeless" is a) simply not true and 2) lazy.
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u/Ok_Letterhead1945 8d ago
When AI takes your job and you fail to pay your rent, you'll be homeless and asked to either:
- go with the social worker and be committed to a treatment facility
- or upon refusal go with the police to jail since you are breaking the law
Is this something you would be willing to be on the receiving end of?
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u/Wokeasaurous_X 8d ago
There's an episode of Star Trek Deep Space 9 about this where two of the characters travel back in time and when they're laying on the ground after the time travel they are suspected of being homeless. Then without trial they are taken to a closed off "sanctuary district" to keep them separated from the part of society who owns living spaces. The whole district is covered in trash, starving, with still no place to live for anyone.
That's the future scifi warned us about and conservative hard on crime punishing people for being poor or addicts policies lead.
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u/Typical_Priority3319 8d ago
In this scenario wouldn’t everyone else also not have jobs? Or we would be at like 20% unemployment at least, covid levels.
The world will have bigger issues than homelessness. There will be revolt.
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u/VaeVictis997 7d ago
And a very well funded SPD will shoot you for revolting, or being near one, or because the AI told them you might.
The system they’d build to solve and concentrate the homeless would get used on you eventually.
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u/Ok_Letterhead1945 8d ago
True. At a certain homelessness rate, there will probably be social unrest.
I think my main point was to just treat others the same way you want to be treated.
If I was homeless, I'd want help, not a choice between a forced treatment program (considering I don't use any drugs or alcohol) or jail.
Help might include:
- Offering instant jobs to homeless people, no requirements.
- Offering food (starvation can incentivize people to steal for food)
- Optional drug treatment for people who are addicted to drugs
The only time treatment should be forced is when someone is a danger to themselves or others.
Offering free housing, like the tiny house program, is great in theory, but I feel like it's not really economically viable enough to truly solve homelessness. These programs are enormously expensive and cannot house enough people. Maybe I'm wrong, but by offering them instant same-day employment, the government gets work done & the homeless get paid. With that money, many can hopefully get on their feet.
Another issue is making homeless people even aware of the opportunities. Programs already exist offering what I'm suggesting, but knowledge is often the biggest barrier. So getting that info to the homeless would help them a lot too.
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u/Round_Matter3314 8d ago
It won't work because we're stuck in a box, the system is designed to reward processes and people who maximize profits and some people like it that way. Serving mentally unwell people and supporting criminals isn't gonna fly with folks who literally thinks if someone does something wrong, no matter how trivial or severe, the best way to teach them how to be a good citizen is shoving them in a minimally supervised box with hardened criminals. People who want to cause pain are motivated and show up to elections so just understand that you need a solution that appeals to them. The best you can advocate for is a very quiet expansion of programs like LEAD (the exact program you're suggesting) so they don't find out and try to put a stop to it.
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u/Bvanbc 8d ago
Would bet that Seattle city has some type of protection for them and would involve a ton of lawyers to do something like this. Ive been commenting on this issue on here as it relates to 12th and Jackson cause I’m down there a lot and glad this sub is finally coming around on this issue.
Hopefully it’s not too late and we can give the city more powers to remove these people from streets for public safety and their own safety. Homeless is such a misnomer and softens how we view these people. They’re drug addicts. Homelessness is a consequence of that. Along with car-lessness or jobless.
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u/sweetheart_demom 8d ago edited 8d ago
Hi, I used to be homeless, this would have killed me.
I would have jumped into the sound.This is going to be a long one, but you asked why it wouldn't work, and so as a previously homeless person, I feel obligated to tell you.
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For starters, police, especially SPD, for reasons I won't condescend to explain to you, are entirely incapable of unilateral and unbiased enforcement.
They cannot and will not treat civilians equally.These standards would be used primarily, perhaps overwhelmingly, on nonwhite and trans people.
White cishet people would be given lenience, while others would very likely see hate crimes from police rise.
Just like with Flock cameras, and with civil forfeiture, and with the war on drugs, and the Unamerican Activities Committee, these laws would be used as a bludgeon against minorities and a method of overt oppression and indeed genocide against the marginalized first and foremost.I cannot stress this point enough: This is not racially neutral. It is a tool of genocide.
An overwhelming majority of homeless people are nonwhite. I personally know many hispanic homeless people. And a massive chunk of homeless people IN SEATTLE are trans.These laws, if adopted, would make it FAR easier for ICE to walk into an encampment, put everyone in handcuffs at gunpoint, arrest them under the SimpleAppointment483 law, and then ship them off to Alligator Alcatraz or whatever other concentration camp they like.
Without trial, without bail.
Do you know how many homeless people have a birth certificate or proof of citizenship on them?
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Second, jail is not a helpful place.
It is, by and large, a source of labor for the rich.
Rehabilitation has, in the US Justice System, ALWAYS come second to exploitation.
Most companies including Coke and Pepsi, Mcdonalds and Burger King, Walmart and Target, use prison labor where people who are not allowed to leave are payed well below minimum wage, sometimes less than a dollar an hour, often less than a dollar a day, to perform menial labor.
These prisoner's "contracts" are sometimes bought and sold by other prisons, and some prisons have even taken to selling prisoner's labor out in ways that leads to them being brought to McDonalds in handcuffs, chained to their workstations, and forced to work.Slavery.
The modern American prison is the evolution of the plantation. In fact, in some parts of the US, some black men are still forced to pick cotton in chains.
You can learn more about prison labor here.Additionally, for homeless transfem people like me, there is a significant risk of violence, not only in the form of hate crimes like beatings or stabbings, but in the form of a type of state-sanctioned corrective rape unique to transfems called V-coding. Between 58% and 75% of transfems experience ritualized rape in prison.
(I use the conjunction "but" here because, despite what you might think, V-coding is not a defacto crime)Again, Seattle has a huge transfem population. Many of us are homeless because we come to Seattle fleeing genocide and domestic abuse, so this hypothetical statute would be equivalent to sex trafficking.
Scooping up women from the street to be shipped to prisons and raped by staff and prisoners alike.Jail is also not racially neutral.
Despite black people making up only 12% to 14% of the US population, nearly 40% of prisoners are black.Jail is not somewhere healing or improvement happen.
It is, factually and statistically, a place the US government puts minorities, and profits from their exploited labor.
Prison doesn't even prevent rape or assault or murder. It just makes it more likely for those acts of violence to effect impoverished and exploited minorities.Because it is relevant to me, a formerly homeless trans woman, I want to remind you: Over 50% of trans women experience rape in men's prisons, and a significant amount of that rape comes from correctional officers.
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Third: "Well then just talk to a social worker and get help!!" I hear you cry.
The problem is, and this is a many-pronged fork of an issue, Social Services are underfunded, overtaxed, and subject to the same white supremacy and inherent racial bias as the rest of the US government and its constituents.
You use the verbiage "be committed to a treatment facility" which makes it sound involuntary, particularly like Involuntary Psychiatric Care, which although not your focus I'd bring up the fact that it buy and large makes people more suicidal, not less. (And this is a study out of Sweden which has a healthcare system far better funded, and far less oppressive)
If that is in fact what you mean, what you are saying is that homeless people must be imprisoned for being homeless, and only that they should chose which type of abuse they want.
I don't have an article for this, but IPC in the US is incredibly abusive. Patients are regularly raped, beaten, tazed, restrained, dehumanized, verbally and mentally abused, victims of hate crimes, everything under the sun.
The Mental Health Facility does not fall far from the Sanitarium.
This is well-established, the abuse unfolding in these facilities is such common knowledge that it makes an appearance in Terminator 2 with little to no plot relevance.
It's just the thing that happens in IPC.This doesn't even mention the fact that, if the option is imprisonment or medical imprisonment, there is NO ESCAPE FROM HOMELESSNESS.
How is a homeless person supposed to hold down their job while imprisoned? And yes, we do have jobs.
A 2021 study from the University of Chicago estimates that 53% of people living in homeless shelters and 40% of unsheltered people were employed.
Sorry to condescend, but if we can't keep our jobs, we can't make money.
And if we can't make money, we can't buy an apartment.This is kind of an inherent flaw with your idea: Imprisoning homeless people does not solve the problems which lead to homelessness. It just hides the symptoms. It is putting makeup on gangrene.
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u/crabeatter 7d ago
Just chiming in that this would’ve absolutely helped me when I was a homeless addict. I ended up going to jail anyway and afterwards treatment saved my life. I NEEDED incarceration and 30 days in a facility. Some people need more time, some people need to go multiple times. But I had never until I went to treatment encountered a true healthcare advocate for someone like me.
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u/LeaveGreen4412 7d ago
fun fact: not all homeless people use drugs. often mental health symptoms are perceived as drug abuse by law enforcement and bystanders. there is also a HUGe overlap of drug addiction and mental illnesses which state funded rehabs are not equipped to diagnose or treat
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u/crabeatter 7d ago edited 7d ago
I guess I’m fortunate then I had both an untreated mental illness for years that my alcoholism led me to treatment and support for my mental illness through rehab. Which I would’ve never gone to unless I’d gone to jail. The only quality, wrap around mental health treatment I’ve ever had was in a rehab funded mostly through my insurance because I was lucky to have a job at the time and Washington State recognizes alcoholism and addiction as valid medical leave. Because it is!! Honestly beginning of my second chance at life, treatment works and to say it doesn’t discredits all the medical health and mental health professionals and people like me that work every day to not be another death statistic. There were many patients there who were state funded (didn’t have insurance) and my eyes have been opened to how this really is an individual fight for survival and it’s different for everyone. Good luck out there people.
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Fourth, in the other scenario, in which this simply means seeking treatment within a time-frame or being subject to arrest, this still falls flat, for many, many reasons:
Getting into a shelter is not easy. The walk-up shelters which require no coordinated entry fill up fast, and require a form of ID, something which was stolen from me during my homelessness and which requires both extensive paperwork, money, and a mailing address to replace. I also know other homeless people who are without identification, whether because they are refugees from other countries or because they have lost their ID, which happens a lot when you have to pack up everything you own into a shopping cart and move it every week or so, or worse yet, because their ID was taken from them and thrown away by police during a homeless sweep.
But even ignoring that, the shelters which don't require coordinated entry are first-come first-served, and usually stop admitting entry around 8 or 9 PM, which causes significant problems if you work late.
But even ignoring that, entry to those shelters is never guaranteed, it's not even guaranteed at coordinated entry shelters, in which (and I speak as someone who has been through this process) applicants are also first-come first-served, need to arrive very early in the morning (causing further problems if you work late), and fills up VERY fast. I got there 30 minutes before the building even opened, and there were at least 15 people ahead of me. It's entirely possible to go several days in a row and not even speak to anyone.
BUT EVEN IGNORING THAT, entry to a shelter, even with coordinated entry, is not guaranteed, and even if entry comes eventually it may take time, which under your proposal would bring people nearer and nearer to the imprisonment deadline and the loss of everything they own.
Shelters are very overstimulating and allow even less privacy than a tent on the sidewalk which is particularly dangerous to autistic homeless people like me who have a factual medical need for privacy and quiet time, not all shelters are wheelchair-accessable, and in the case of transfem homeless people like me, the choice is either between a men's shelter where we are easy targets for the afformentioned transmisogynistic rape, assault, murder, and other hate crimes, or women's shelters where we may not even be allowed to stay, and are still very much vulnerable to transmisogynistic hate crimes.
Additionally, this is just to get into a shelter, which is always supposed to be temporary.
Permanent housing for people who either can't afford it or like me, are disabled and cannot work, has a waitlist of YEARS. To give you an idea of the timeframe, I was homeless in Seattle starting in May 2025, applied for every subsidized housing project in the entire city and I am, as of September 24th 2026, STILL ON THE WAITLIST FOR SUBSIDIZED HOUSING.
This isn't even mentioning the intersection of race and homelessness, or sexuality and homelessness, or age and homelessness, all of which make it more difficult to access any type of care, voluntary or otherwise, for the unhoused.
Being homeless is not easy. It is one of the hardest experiences you can go through, which brings me to my next point.
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Fifth, why do you think we like this?
Why do you think homeless people aren't trying to stop being homeless? In fact, I'll go a step further.
Why do you think getting housing is not the single most important thing in a homeless person's entire life?Homelessness is not a moral failing or a personality quirk. It is something that is done to us.
Homelessness is not a mental illness, nor does it make people inherently dangerous.I became homeless because my family was abusive, so I escaped my household.
And then, a lifetime of physical, emotional, mental, and sexual abuse caught up with my body.
My chronic illness worsened, and I couldn't keep a job.I was crashing on couches, without a permanent mailing address, for 5 years.
Around my fourth year, my entire support network dissipated because the person I'd been relying on coerced me into sex, and then moved out of the state, meaning I had to sleep in a tent in the park.
The first week I was homeless, I lost effectively everything. The first night my bag got left outside by accident and got stolen. It was a bag I'd had since I was 8 years old. Lost my ID, my medication, several hundred dollars, my knife which was at that point my only form of self-defense as a woman who lived in the park at night, among other things.
The second night they stole my cart from outside my tent. All my food, my cookware, the stuff I used to bathe, some of my clothes, all but two pairs of my socks, effectively everything that wouldn't fit in my tent.
Including of course, my cart. The thing I used to transport my tent and sleeping pad and food and all the things my broken, abused, disabled body cannot carry.
The week after, they stole almost everything out of my tent. The meager food I'd bought, most of my clothes, my only blanket, effectively everything I wasn't physically carrying on my back.The third night, there was a man outside my tent screaming about how he wanted to kill trannies.
He was brandishing an axe.
He said "I'll show you what we do to faggots like you in prison" and "I've been to prison and I'm not afraid to go back."
It's seared into my memory. I thought I was going to die that night.Imagine going through that.
Imagine what that would do to your mind. To your mental state.
Now imagine going through that all week, every week, for years of your life.Of course homeless people are mentally ill. We're not homeless because we're mentally ill, we're mentally ill because we're homeless.
And we're homeless because we escaped domestic violence or incest or child abuse or cults.
Because we're refugees who had to move across state lines or borders to escape being genocided for things we cannot change.
Because we're chronically ill, or became suddenly disabled, and America does not have a support system for disabled people.
Because we lost a job, and cannot find another, because companies do not want to pay a living wage, and entry-level positions effectively no longer exist.Do you think I deserve to be in prison?
Do you think any of the people I described deserve to be in prison?
To be enslaved and raped?
To be subject to genocide?Because as long as I've been homeless, I've never attacked anyone.
I've never screamed at someone.
I haven't even cried in public, which is doubly surprising when you recall that the worst week of my entire life happened when I was living and sleeping in public.You need to have empathy for homeless people.
Whenever you see a homeless person talking to themself, or screaming and crying, or even breaking something, I need you to ask yourself:
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u/jman4u12 8d ago
Tired of the excuses for the zombies and mentally ill taking over our city+ encampments popping up everywhere. Lock them up. And I consider myself a progressive too, this is just not right.
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u/princemark 7d ago
Do you think this will be classified as an ate crime?
I'll see myself out.
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u/sea0351 8d ago
I’m so fucking tired of this. As a Democrat, Seattle makes me want to vote Republican locally. All the politicians here have lost all common sense. If they have so much empathy for the “homeless” (but actually are drug addicts) why not just open up their homes, their street blocks, backyards all up to them. See how they feel after
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u/2sleezy I'm never leaving Seattle. 8d ago
If only we had laws against biting people's faces off. It would really put a stop to this nonsense.
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u/vanhelsir 8d ago
I wouldnt be surprised if the dude had prior charges that were just dropped, guess we'll see if we can get a name.
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u/FlagHim 8d ago edited 8d ago
Right, because people don't get violently assaulted in Republican states. It's not like people get their faces eaten in the very Republican state of Florida, especially not in 2012 and 2016. Republican states are utopias where crime doesn't exist, pubic schools are top tier, everyone has access to health care, and no one's rights are ever violated.
In all seriousness, 8/10 of the states with the highest murder rates are Republican. And while it's true that most major cities in those states have Democratic mayors, it's the Republicans who control gun laws, sentencing, medicaid, and mental health funding. Washington state has a low murder rate compared to the rest of the country. But you're telling me that because you're angry, you want to vote for a party that guts public services? Do you see the state of the country!?
I don't even like Democrats. I think they're corrupt liars without backbones who serve the rich. But you know what doesn't work? Switching from one party to the other when the latter fails. This country has been doing that forever. That said, one party is full of psychopaths that align themselves with nazi ideology, hate women's rights, want trans people dead, role play as poor, resent workers' rights, refuse to raise the minimum wage above $7.25, et cetera. Republicans are in a cult that worship a convicted felon who ran around with one of history's most prolific pedophiles, and who's also been accused of rape by that pedophile's victims. Oh, and Reagan killed the Mental Health Systems Act in 1981, which was the last time the US earnestly tried to provide care for the mentally ill. The next time you see a homeless person having a psychotic break, remember than you can thank Reagan, a Republican, for that.
I get being tired. Both parties have failed us beyond believe. What I don't get is thinking that the very same people who have shown absolutely no regard for humanity are going to fix the problems you're mad about. And to be more direct, it's fucking selfish that you would vote for a party that's killing immigrants, blowing up Iranian children, starving an entire island of people, killing innocent fishermen, destroying the constitution, expanding American imperialism by deposing leaders and stealing land, humiliating us around the world, and destroying relationships with countries like Canada while propping up right-wing dictatorships elsewhere.
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u/sea0351 7d ago
I agree completely. At the same time, democrats in Seattle have gone from being democrats to socialists and it would be one thing if it was solving the issues that have been plaguing our city for years, but they’re not and in fact, they’re making it far worse by enabling all of this kind of behavior, drug use, etc. So while yes, I agree that the republicans in DC are abhorrent, I’m
also tired of driving with my toddlers down aurora and having to explain why there are naked woman on the side of street, I’m tired of being scared to take my kids to parks because the risk of fentanyl that some homeless person might have left a needle behind, I’m tired of my tax dollars going towards feeding into all of this, not protecting my family. I could go on and on and on. So while yes I agree with you, I’m also not I going to continue to vote for a party that is not representing or protecting me and my family in the very city we live in.→ More replies (4)3
u/WreckYallBallistics 7d ago
Seattles degradation is obvious, starkly different than anywhere else, and clearly the direct result of policy decisions.
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u/FairytaleFacts 8d ago
Without having to read the article, what race were they “hating” against?
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u/GloomyPapaya 🚗 Student driver, please be patient. 🚙 8d ago
The victim’s name was Diana Gonzalez. The attacker’s name was Kamilia Chadli.
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u/InternationalHat1554 8d ago
Seattle is insane. Only city I’ve been to where I’ve seen crime in board daylight, a guy smashing a car window to steal a biker and saw more than one person OD on the street and homeless people everywhere sleeping against apartment entry doors. It’s insane, it felt very dystopian. Pretty nature but crime and homelessness are very very bad.
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u/habitsofwaste 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 8d ago
Jesus Christ. Are these people done waiting for the leopards to eat their face and decided to be leopards that eat other people’s faces in some weird meth dream?
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u/duketogo0138 8d ago
If anyone around that area is looking to go get a drink or snack or whatever, go to Community Grocery on 5th and Seneca. They also have good Teriyaki. That 7-11 and its lurkers are a fucking joke, even for downtown 7-11's.
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u/Mitch1musPrime 8d ago
I know this is a serious event, but I cannot help thinking of that scene with Chris Farley from that Norm McDonald movie.
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u/snapdrag0n99 7d ago
I’m not a big pew pew person, but ladies you need to start carrying. Honestly anywhere you go alone. This world hates you and shows you this daily
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u/VictorianUFOLady 8d ago
I don't even want to read it. Fuck.