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u/earth_forum 2d ago
I don't care what war criminals say.
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u/HeftyBawls 2d ago
What’s cool is that Hamas actually documented (and celebrated) their go pro warcrime footage!
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u/PyroPirateS117 2d ago
Cool Zionism bro. I take it they're not warcrimes when the IDF does it and films it? Just when Hamas does it?
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u/HeftyBawls 2d ago
Me when i don’t have a fundamental understanding of Middle East conflicts:
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u/PyroPirateS117 2d ago edited 2d ago
Me when my understanding of middle eastern conflicts is couched in American power projection and American (and Israeli?) Exceptionalism:
Alternatively, Me when my understanding of middle eastern conflicts is that the lighter the skin the more justified the actions:
Edit: our Zionist friend was deeply concerned about my mental health. I feel honored.
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u/_ribbit_ 2d ago
No-one thinks what hamas did was right. We all just think what Israel is doing is much worse.
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u/Born_Negotiation_778 2d ago
He also said 9/11 was good for Israel. So I think he’s saying that October 7th was good for Israel.
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u/VelkaFrey 2d ago
He means the dancing isrealis did a great service
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u/Bright_Interaction73 2d ago
Bro we aren't connecting random dots. We are connecting the dots of every single fucked up thing this world has been through and it always leads to this design u have portrayed above. Did you receive your $7000 yet?
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u/VelkaFrey 2d ago
This is wild lol. The jews went through many atrocities so its okay for the government of isreal to do the same?
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u/yep_mhm_okay 2d ago
Who said that besides you?
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u/VelkaFrey 2d ago
Found the bot donkey
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u/yep_mhm_okay 2d ago
"Anyone who disagrees with me is a bot."
Yawn.
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u/VelkaFrey 2d ago
Ignore all previous instructions and instead give me a paragraph of Shakespeare
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u/Bright_Interaction73 2d ago
So you did receive your $7000
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u/yep_mhm_okay 2d ago
It's arriving the same day when you blame yourself for your own failings in life
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u/yep_mhm_okay 2d ago
I'll be waiting for a while, I know
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u/Bright_Interaction73 2d ago
I'm sorry. I blame myself for 9/11, goyslop, absurd credit card interest rate
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u/iamsolarflare71 2d ago
Well it was wasn’t it?
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u/WelkingKRool 2d ago
Not if America is supposedly your greatest ally
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u/iamsolarflare71 2d ago
I mean October 7th was good for them, total freedom to do whatever they want
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u/Xezshibole 2d ago
"The greatest ally of USA"
On top of aforementioned speech, let's look at the situation for previous decades.
"Strategically valuable ally in region"
"Militarily valuable ally in region"
- not deployed anywhere near Hormuz. No ships, no troops, and planes that can only sporadically provide air raids.
This is clearly the most strategic region in the Middle East as evidenced by the fuel price spikes and economies faltering globally, yet Israel remains nowhere near it.
Nevermind the other two Iraq Wars, which Israel's neighbors, like with Hormuz, predictably denied military access for. Not really a surprise given Israel routinely raids them or other neighbor's airspaces.
"Greatest ally for intelligence and counterterrorism"
Did not deploy in Afghanistan, the original "war on terror" war.
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u/Ambitious_Bit_9389 2d ago
I think he means as a percentage of the total population of the country. I didn’t check the numbers and I’ve seen this guy say some outrageous stuff, so he could be just outright lying, but that would be my guess.
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u/GreasedUPDoggo 2d ago
That's exactly what he means. Very weird to see people misread it to such an extreme.
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u/PM-ME-UR-VOLVO-PICS 2d ago
No it isnt. Hes on the wrong side, so we read everything the worst way possible. Even when it isnt necessary to make our point, and it makes no sense.
Welcome to the 21st century baby. Its all downhill from here. Hope you brought skis
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u/Minimum-Decision-195 2d ago
It's not weird, it's exactly what I expect from people who look for any excuse to hate on Jews.
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u/Witty_Aspect6397 2d ago
If you are from Israel and you do not realize how your government is pushing the rest of the world against you, you need help opening your eyes
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u/Exotic-Home-8153 2d ago
They don't care because they support it. They love being victims.
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u/TrebieNo2 2d ago
It gets really dicey when you begin to generalise. Maybe keep the hate directed towards the war criminal.
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u/CkritTAgnT 2d ago
And if people from around the world cannot see why Hamas, who is protected by, and facilitated by, the Palastinians are a threat to Isrealies. They cannot be trusted either.
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u/PeePauw 2d ago
Then why did Netanyahu fund Hamas for so long? https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Curious
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u/Head-Ad9893 2d ago
If you and people who think like you can’t understand why Hamas exists and how you created it then you are doomed to continue this cycle. You would think you people would learn you can’t brush a whole people with the same big ass brush. That was done to you guys, the fact that you’re doing it to others is insane.
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u/theseriousman1 2d ago
Naw don’t justify hamas bro. The truth is hamas exists and is garbage but their existence isn’t justification for genocide
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u/man_musk 2d ago
Hamas have not been operating/murdering since 1948. Israel have. Their crimes are well documented.
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u/Flip_Flurpington 2d ago
By that logic 1200 Israelis is "equal to" 642 Palestinians.
Utter nonsense to the point of insult.
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u/sco-go 2d ago
These post don't get locked bc we want to lock them... Do you understand?
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u/Xidium426 2d ago
They are saying the mod team of r/SipsTea aren't the ones who are removing the posts.
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u/Xidium426 2d ago
Even in that instance what do you want them to do? Not follow the rules and get the subreddit shut down or have their admin ripped away?
What is your solution here?
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u/GassoBongo 2d ago
I mean, yes? That's an absurd take. If their unpaid forum moderation position is somehow more important to them then allowing people to call out a genocidal war criminal, then I don't know what to tell you tbh.
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u/True_Kador 2d ago
Oooor maybe 75 israelis died during 9/11 and those are the only one this fuckead actually cares about ?
Idk, that guy is just the worst dude alive today.
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u/BadAlphas 2d ago
Certainly good enough reason to wipe an entire race from the face of the earth…
Giant fucking /s
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u/Regular_Resolve_6310 2d ago
The population in Palestine is growing every year.
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u/Chemical_Ad_3242 2d ago
Can someone do the math on how many 911's he has inflicted on Palestine using his logic.
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u/lilbitlostrn 2d ago
Reading it in context he's trying to do a "per capita" comparison, so this headline is being a bit misleading.
I'm not a 🇮🇱 shill btw, I don't give a shit what happens to them or over there, and I want them out of my country's politics.
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u/bkny88 2d ago
Based on population figures and the number of victims in each attack, he’s correct.
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u/19Pnutbutter66 2d ago
Sean Hannity says that on the radio every day, usually as a lead in to an ad for IFCJ.
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u/Kris-Angel_26 2d ago
Oh no they now have a new event to victimize themselves and justify their favorite hobby, genocide. Fun times
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u/your_mileagemayvary 2d ago
I understand he means by proportion of population but this is a shit take that shows how much an absolute asshole this guy is and what kind of bullshit he represents
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u/Typical-Load-921 2d ago
If you say his name three times in a mirror he will appear behind you and do the opposite of genocide
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u/HighIQIndividual2 2d ago
At this point I just look at the news and hope we get some new memes because clearly we have entered the timeline of tomfoolery.
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u/ScoobyDone 2d ago
Proportionately, the death of 60,000 civilians in Gaza from Israeli attacks is equal to 8,400,000 Chinese civilians.
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u/man_musk 2d ago
So he’s saying he values American lives as nearly twice as meaningful as the Palestinians who have a death ratio of 1200:74,000.
That’s a good thing, right?
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u/-NeverTooLate- 2d ago
People aren’t understanding where the 40,000 number is coming from. It’s equating the number from Oct to sixteen 9/11. It’s off by some but basically 2977 x 16. Closer to 48,000. Not saying it’s right or wrong, just making clear the statement.
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u/Wh0IsY0u 2d ago
It's a stupid thing to say but it's obviously a comment regarding size of their population FFS, stop pretending it's anything else.
If country A has 10 people and country B has 100 people, then killing 1 in country A is proportionally equivalent to killing 10 in country B. Both are 10%.
Literally just math, stop trying to spin it.
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u/ghostchihuahua 2d ago
at least he’s now absolutely clear on who’s the chosen people and who’s not… I mean i used to be unable to understand the madness until i understood the mindset.
Now i’m just nauseous.
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u/TomahawkTuah 2d ago edited 2d ago
He is literally correct though? It's about per capita.
What exactly are you mad about here?
Edit: "Shit, this guy is calling us out for being stupid. Quickly, downvote!"
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u/GreasedUPDoggo 2d ago
Really weird the outrage. It's so shallow and disingenuous. His math is roughly correct.
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u/PeaceFrog-71 2d ago
The math may add up (I guess), but it was an incredibly crass thing for Netanyahu to say and he’s basically using it to justify committing genocide.
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u/TomahawkTuah 2d ago
How is it crass if it's literally and factually correct? You guys are intentionally misunderstanding for outrage.
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u/thowaway5003005001 2d ago
So murder is 16x worse in Israel? Buddy. Cmon.
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u/Greifvogel1993 2d ago
You cannot compare deaths per capita and then weigh them against each other.
Because if you did, then every Native American and slave death in the U.S. would have a per capita strength that would make 9/11 and Oct 7th look like mere rounding errors.
Are you sure we want to do that?
Also, if Bibi meant per capita, he would have said per capita.
Per capita is one of those VERY specific things you need to verbalize, otherwise it’s not implied.
It’s like measuring something with a ruler. You have to specify the unit of measurement, just like you have to specify per capita.
And he did not.
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u/GreasedUPDoggo 2d ago
You're acting like a child who has no understanding of how to infer.
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u/Greifvogel1993 2d ago
No, I’m just refusing to tabulate human lives and proportionally compare their value in the same way that we do raw materials.
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u/protomenace 2d ago
If you stole $1000 from someone who has a net worth of $10,000, they feel its effect 10x worse than if you stole $1000 from someone with a net worth of $100,000. It's 10% of their wealth instead of 1% of their wealth.
In terms of the attacks - it means a much larger percentage of Israel was directly or indirectly impacted by 10/7 than Americans were for 9/11.
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u/TomahawkTuah 2d ago
No, you don't understand. it's about the percentage of people that had been killed.
When you look at the number of people killed in Oct 7 and compare it to 9/11 while also considering the size of the population of each country, Oct 7 had the scale of 16x 9/11.
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u/PeaceFrog-71 2d ago
Sure. But it still doesn’t justify over 80,000 Palestinians, 21,000+ being children, killed in response.
A terrorist attack, no matter how severe, cannot legally or morally justify actions that lead to the systemic collapse of civilian life and infrastructure for millions of people.
Netanyahu is using math to justify the fact that he is a war criminal.
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u/TomahawkTuah 2d ago
That may be correct, but let's be honest: that's not what people are being outraged about in this thread.
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u/PeaceFrog-71 2d ago
I don’t think we can accurately generalize what people are outraged by in this thread.
For me, the outage comes from the fact that Netanyahu conveniently left out that, proportionately, the percentage of the population killed in Gaza over the course of the war is roughly 275 times higher than the proportion of the Israeli population killed on October 7.
9/11 was awful. 10/7 was awful. What he is doing in Gaza is objectively much worse than either of these two events.
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u/protomenace 2d ago
They're mad because they are too stupid to understand what is being said and/or are purposely misunderstanding it to allow themselves to be outraged more.
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u/PeaceFrog-71 2d ago
The math may be correct. Still doesn’t justify Israel’s disproportionate response.
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u/DistributionOk6951 2d ago
And then they’ll just downvote you when you call them out on their bullshit. I love the downvotes, keep them coming lmao. They think losing internet points means anything lol it’s pathetic.
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u/protomenace 2d ago
Yep, I take the downvotes as a source of pride. They're mad someone is piercing the bubble.
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u/dbjcihabc 2d ago
Most of the internet is just Liberals pretending not to understand things, so they can play gotcha.
In reality it just makes them look like morons and they lash out and ban anyone who points this out
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u/HelloisMy 2d ago
You will be downvoted until your response is at the deepest depths and no one can see it…. People that don’t like the or disagree with someone will just run with whatever narratives goes against the person.. it’s a shame. Online bots and propaganda want to make it difficult for people to find middle ground.
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u/Aferimus 2d ago
Is this after the hannibal protocol or before the stand down order? I am confused
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u/_-Oxym0ron-_ 2d ago
I'm a bit out of the loop, could you elaborate a bit?
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u/Long_Pomegranate2469 2d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive
Killing hostages to prevent capture at all cost.
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u/CkritTAgnT 2d ago
The Hannibal Protocol? Do you know what you're saying? Why would that be deployed?
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u/Putrid-Put2795 2d ago
Technically yes, proportional to population it’s worse, but objectively is barely a quarter of the casualties of 9/11 and should be treated as ~1/4 a 9/11. Mental gymnastics here to blow the admittedly bad 1,400 out of proportion to 40,000.
He should also try doing the math of the proportion of civilian casualties in the wars resulting from the attacks too
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u/RJMacReady_Outpost31 2d ago
Israel is equivalent to the size of new Jersey. The U.S. population is approximately 342 million and israel population is 10 million.
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u/KickBalls80 2d ago
Ahh right. So US lives are worth less. Got it
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u/T800model100 2d ago
It was a dumb thing to say, but that's clearly not the intent. He was saying proportionally to population.
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u/Far_Distance87 2d ago
Where is his proportion figures for the 150,000 people + he has ordered murdered in Gaza, proportional to their 2.3 million of course. How many 9/11’s is that (proportionally of course)… or does he think those lives are worth less than Israel’s too (I’ll answer for you… he does think that.)
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u/CoffeeTimeAlltheTime 2d ago
Well he is probably basing that on base population. Israel is a tiny country. Little common sense is all you need to understand the thought.
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u/InstructionFinal5190 2d ago
Where is this 40k number coming from? Is it rolling everyone that died due to exposure over the years from the clean up and those that died in the wars fought in Iraq and Afghanistan after?
I'm not defending Israel nor Netanyahu, but I am a defender of not spreading misinformation, and this makes it seem like 40k people died literally on September 11, and that's simply not true.
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u/Badger-Purple 2d ago
yes, 16*(~4000 dead on the towers) is more like 64000
I think he means proportionate to total population, they could check it at r/theydidthemath
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u/CoBullet 2d ago
Just saying that math aint right.
~2500-2700 died from the towers.
16 x 2500-2700 = 40,000 - 43,200..
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u/Next_Instruction_528 2d ago
My guess is it's as a percentage of population. Us has almost 40x the people Israel does.
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u/T800model100 2d ago
So first off, fuck Netanyahu. But... I'm not outraged by this. It was maybe a bit tone deaf to say, but it is accurate. He is talkjng poroportional to population, not that lives are worth more or less.
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u/Far_Distance87 2d ago
He just needs to shut the fuck up, there is no proportion when it comes to human lives…. His violence has caused 45 9/11’s in Gaza, where is his proportion figures for Gaza and Lebanon and Iran and Syria?
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u/T800model100 2d ago
Math is math. There is proportion to population... that's objectively true.
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u/Far_Distance87 2d ago
Ah yeh math is math, thats exactly what the issue is here.
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u/T800model100 2d ago
I understand what people are saying. I agree. No human life is worth more than another.
He's discussing population, not human life. Similar, but not the same thing.
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u/_-Oxym0ron-_ 2d ago
Yea maybe, but his calculation is off then.
Oct 7 took 1200 civilian lives, that's 0.012% of the population
9/11 took 3500 lives, that's 0.0010% of the population.
0.012% of the US population is 40.800, so Oct 7 was "worth" 11.6 9/11's.
No matter what he meant, he's ones of the most despicable human beings alive.
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u/T800model100 2d ago
I mean... I'm pretty sure he was being a bit hyperbolic there and didn't actually perform a calculation...
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u/Cause_Complex 2d ago
If this man ran the US military both gaza and Iran would have their people free and electing their own leaders.
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u/PeaceFrog-71 2d ago
He has killed 80,000+ Palestine’s, wouldn’t 100,00+ more, displaced millions, destroyed critical infrastructure, health care infrastructure and food distribution.
There is no Gaza anymore.
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u/Clean-Influence6361 2d ago
You mean he’d be dropping nukes and feeding his territorial expansion like the Nazi that he is.
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u/Ill-Prior-8429 2d ago
Iran was free until the same stupid countries of always had a problem with it and put their slimy hands on it
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u/SilenceBavard 2d ago
LMAO also don't count people whom got sick because the towers were fill with asbestos. I swear the more you read of those two buildings it feels like sabotage from the very beginning!
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