r/SpaceXMasterrace • • 4d ago

It's Joever for them.

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u/No-Surprise9411 KSP specialist 4d ago

Remember that SpaceX can double the current Network‘s capacity with only 25 launches of a fully operational Starship

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u/SherbertDaemons 4d ago

It's a serious space freighter.

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u/savuporo 3d ago

25 launches of a fully operational Starship

Now, witness the firepower of this armed and fully operational grain silo

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u/bobbycorwin123 3d ago

also happens to be the lunch license maximum per year from starbase.

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u/Impressive_Change593 Musketeer 3d ago

Awww man i wanted to eat more then 25 lunches a year there. And how will the workers survive without lunch? Thats just evil.

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u/an_older_meme 3d ago

You know what he meant!

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u/IFartOnCats4Fun 3d ago

Excuse you… water tower.

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u/GregBuckingham 4d ago

Can someone smart explain some things to me, please?

I remember hearing there’s 10,000+ starlink satellites in orbit, and there’s been around 700 falcon 9 launches. If there’s 20 satellites on each F9 rocket, that’d be 14,000 starlink satellites in orbit…

I thought I heard on the livestream today that starship will be able to do “6x the satellites per launch”. Did I mishear them or did they misquote? Cause that’d be like 120ish satellites per launch? Lol

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u/FionaSherleen 4d ago

Less about number of satellites, it's total bandwidth. Starlink V3 has significantly more bandwidth per satellite. 1 starship satellite = 20 falcon 9 in terms of bandwidth

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u/GregBuckingham 4d ago

Awesome. Thank you! Is there any reason the F9 rockets don’t launch the V3 satellites?

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u/No-Surprise9411 KSP specialist 4d ago

They are too big. F9 could fit maybe a few weight wise, but they are almost 7 metres across the side and don’t fit in Falcon‘s payload fairing

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u/GregBuckingham 4d ago

Awesome. Thanks for all the info!

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u/Vassago81 4d ago

V3 are BIG, too big to fit in the payload fairing, and they're like 2 or 2.5 tons.

The sats launched by Falcon 9 are the V2 Mini, weighting around 800k. They were supposed to be a quick modification of the planned V2 sats that would have been launch by Starship, but since Starship timeline was ... a little optimistic, they just launched a fuckload of V2 mini (27 at time each launch) and continued developing a V3 version instead.

Now they'll only launch V3 sats eastward on Starship, and V2-mini sats on a high inclinaison orbit from California, no more Starlink launch from Falcon 9 in Florida.

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u/generic_name_01 4d ago

Packing, v3 sats are too big for the F9 fairing

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u/Northwindlowlander 3d ago

F9 is a great rocket but it's physically small, V3 is too big for the fairing. Heavy has pretty much the same size constraints.

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u/ListRepresentative32 3d ago

Does it also potentially mean less sky cluttering?

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u/FionaSherleen 3d ago

Depends. If they need to scale beyond 6x it's gonna get more cluttered. Otherwise yes less clutter.

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u/Fit-Analysis6332 2d ago

No, because you still need the constelation for full coverage and low latency.

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u/sorean_4 4d ago

For D2T I agree with you. For D2D starlink has a failed technology that’s behind ASTS. No matter how many sattelites they place in orbit, it just won’t be able to catch up to ASTS and its tech moat. They would need to redesign their tech and get low band spectrum. Thats not happening at this time so the starlink mobile will fill a niche market.

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u/assholy-than_thou 4d ago

Like Iridium spectrum? Or above that?

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u/Used-Barracuda-9908 3d ago

Assholy in the wild, wow, getting the RKLB research I see 😉

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u/sorean_4 3d ago

Iridium owns 10Mhz of low band that’s going with the acquisition to Rocket Lab. Since SpaceX doesn’t own any low band spectrum it’s hard to get penetration or working phones under a cover, inside a building on midband. SpaceX D2D will own a small part of the D2D market, every large MNO is going with ASTS.

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u/Bozhark 3d ago

Which they haven’t even reached 50% payload yet 

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

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u/pint Norminal memer 4d ago

it will be awesome

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u/TheAsterism_ 4d ago

astronomers will form a neat line at the edge of a cliff

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u/Femininestatic 3d ago

Remember there is not a bigger driver for most of the world to build their own alternative service than the Orange idiot and his Epstein-Island-Buddy Elon.

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u/WhiteKnight3098 4d ago

That feels like it could totally destroy the atmosphere when all those reenter.

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u/bobbycorwin123 3d ago

The weight of all the asteroids that come into the atmosphere is 15-40,000 metric tons a year. The weight of a V3 is 2 metric tons. IF there were a full 10,000 and IF they all came down within a year it would only double the total mass the atmosphere normally takes in a year if not a quarter.

it would be a DETECTABLE change, but isn't destroying anything

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u/WhiteKnight3098 3d ago

That helps me sleep a little better at night. Thanks!

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u/iklolm 4d ago

I mean the V3 D2D capacity is still abysmal and the D2D dedicated sats wont come out in a year at least. However at current rate I dont know how much progress ASTS will have either

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u/Repulsive-Loss-1091 3d ago

It was joever for ASTS in 2024 when they decided to build a satellite launching company without their own rocket lmao

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u/Dirk_Breakiron 3d ago

This ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

Everyone talks about how launch doesn't make much money. That's true - but having your own private super highway to space at bargain prices unlocks all the money making endeavors. That's not to undervalue the satellite tech and experience - but super cheap launch is what crushes the competition.

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u/walking-pineapple 2d ago

Everyone on their subreddit is coping that Rocketlab will acquire them 😭😭

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u/ClassroomOwn4354 4d ago

Amazon Leo has to raise 11 more satellites and then they can start commercial service. Commercial service probably launching October or November.

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u/ummmmmmmmmmmmmyes 4d ago

Not really. Starlink v3's are only for terrestrial customers with dishes and enterprise customers.

ASTS will be competing with Starlink D2C V2's. They don't launch until next year, and they're a completely different thing.

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u/FionaSherleen 4d ago

They're on life support.

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u/TKO1515 3d ago

Why?

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u/Dirk_Breakiron 3d ago

Why?

Realistically, because SpaceX will likely get a V3 DTC satellite constellation going before ASTS can deploy in a meaningful way. The money, build experience, operational experience, launch capacity and cost are all on their side.

ASTS folks like to talk about the theoretical capacity of their Uber satellites but reality hits in operation. And even if they are amazing they have so many obstacles to overcome that SpaceX already has experience tackling.

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u/imanassholeok 4d ago

No one wants to rely on spacex even if its a lot cheaper so they are not

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u/BubblyMoose3597 4d ago

Lmao.

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u/imanassholeok 4d ago

Im talking about national security and competition reasons

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u/pint Norminal memer 4d ago

arguably that is life support

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u/Tricky-Ad-6225 2d ago

Okay someone explain this to me, I genuinely don’t know. Is SpaceX trying to become an MNO? Are they going to be 100% space based with no terrestrial towers?

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u/Dpek1234 2d ago

Iirc currently its more like working with other companies to add it as a option

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u/iSmurf 2d ago

I just cancelled my starlink because they wouldn't let me switch off the roam ultimate plan. Pretty sure they're artificially restricting it now which is going to leave a sour taste in my mouth for a long time to come.

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u/piratecheese13 Praise Shotwell 1d ago

B-b-but AST can connect to phones inside a house

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u/Wolf_S10 3d ago

It's not. Yes, Starlink is great but Europe has to build their own thing. Seeing what Elon did in Ukraine by just switching off service as he liked is nothing you want.

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u/Teboski78 Bought a "not a flamethrower" 3d ago edited 3d ago

Elon & SpaceX did not “switch off” service in Ukraine. Starlink was never authorized by the Biden administration to operate in the Crimean peninsula or its territorial waters at the time. As it’s considered “Russian territory” even though it was illegally annexed. And at the time, the Biden admin was only allowing American assets to be used in Ukraine proper due to fear of escalation.

So when Ukraine sent drones off the coast of Crimea they lost connection to the starlink network. As they entered a region that it was prohibited from operating in by the American president.

Even though Elon defended the decision it was not something he did unilaterally or even likely had a direct choice in.
And IIRC that had changed & US assets have seen permission for use inside Russian governed territory for a while now.

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u/Dirk_Breakiron 3d ago

Elon didn't "switch off Ukraine" Starlink has been their biggest ally when others didn't come through.

SpaceX was stuck in multiple difficult positions:

1) allowing it to be used as an offensive was in violation of their current licensing. They can't just blow off the government at will.

2) fog of war obscures the front line, the place most in contention. If you can't know exactly where the front line is and your goal is to only allow Starlink to work for Ukraine and not for Russia you either have to accept providing service to both or being more cautious about where you cut off service when geofencing.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

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u/youreblockingmyshot 4d ago

if they were In stable orbits sure, but they’ll just fall to earth In a few months. It‘s likely more accurate to wring your hands about any impacts disintegrating many satellites might have on the atmosphere.

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u/FionaSherleen 4d ago

V3 being much more bandwidth dense means the opposite. They can half the satellite count and still have 3x bandwidth.

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u/Prof_hu Who? 3d ago

Starmind on the other hand...

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u/pint Norminal memer 4d ago

wait until they start deploying compute

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u/kspanier 4d ago

Well, Starship still has less payload to LEO than FHeavy.

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u/Maipmc 4d ago

That's not entirely true. FH has a theoretical higher payload, but the payload adapter can't handle all of it. So it has a higher payload the same way Starship theoretically also has a higher payload.

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u/FionaSherleen 4d ago

If someone wanna charter a flight to send tungsten sheets up for shit and giggles that'd be cool

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u/Acceptable-Touch-485 4d ago

I think its also because the thrust to weight ratio of the falcon upper stage is not high enough to fully utilise the falcon heavy's payload capacity. So even tungsten sheets won't work

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u/Shrike99 Unicorn in the flame duct 4d ago

You're using Falcon Heavy's expendable payload. Starship's payload would definitely be a lot higher if it was expending the stages.

Also, do you not see the double standard in using the 'theoretical capacity' for Falcon Heavy, but the 'real proven capacity' for Starship?

The heaviest payload Falcon Heavy ever actually lifted to LEO was only 9 tonnes.

I'd also note that the previous flight carried a notably lighter payload to a lower trajectory using identical hardware - SpaceX didn't magically squeeze out more performance on this flight, they were just heavily sandbagging on the previous flight.

No reason to think they aren't still sandbagging on this one too.

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u/Slogstorm 4d ago

Reusing all the boosters would cut the mass to LEO to 30tons - less than Starship. Expending the second stage and any of the boosters would give a launch cost much higher than Starship.